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(06-04-2020, 11:56 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]Drew Brees is getting torn apart right now because of his opinion on NA kneeling. His good guy reputation and charities may be to big and solidified to bring down but damn, I guess no one is safe. If I was famous, I’d accept a self-imposed gag order on these issues

Maybe he should just shut up and throw a football?

Oh wait... shut up and dribble? What do we tell athletes who speak up about politics?

(06-04-2020, 09:38 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 07:20 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]now do the HCs and GMs in the sport, especially at college level

Are you suggesting that NFL owners are okay with signing a black player over a white player, if that player gives the team a better chance of winning, but yet won't sign a black GM/HC, even if that GM/HC gives the team a better chance of winning than a white GM/HC?

the leagues own owners quite literally believe they need to be goaded into interviewing minority candidates, let alone hiring them. tiny  %s of high up coaches in college or the NFL are non white, despite majority non white sport. 

The usual coaching progression for coach's is via offense, 70% of college HCs are offensive minded. Unfortunately this is also area where there's less non white QB coaches and OCs than in any other portion of the NFL.

(06-04-2020, 12:26 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2020, 11:56 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]Drew Brees is getting torn apart right now because of his opinion on NA kneeling. His good guy reputation and charities may be to big and solidified to bring down but damn, I guess no one is safe. If I was famous, I’d accept a self-imposed gag order on these issues

Maybe he should just shut up and throw a football?

Oh wait... shut up and dribble? What do we tell athletes who speak up about politics?

I think this expresses what you are trying to say... But in a fair and balanced way.

https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status...83361?s=20

(06-04-2020, 01:11 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2020, 12:26 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe he should just shut up and throw a football?

Oh wait... shut up and dribble? What do we tell athletes who speak up about politics?

I think this expresses what you are trying to say... But in a fair and balanced way.

https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status...83361?s=20

Exactly.

Brees and any athlete should be allowed to say what they want. It’s just hilarious that Lebron gets told to shut up and dribble yet Brees is told the opposite by a certain news outlet....

(06-04-2020, 12:16 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]

Best thing I've seen in a week.  Great find.

(06-04-2020, 01:17 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2020, 01:11 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]I think this expresses what you are trying to say... But in a fair and balanced way.

https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status...83361?s=20

Exactly.

Brees and any athlete should be allowed to say what they want. It’s just hilarious that Lebron gets told to shut up and dribble yet Brees is told the opposite by a certain news outlet....

Athletes should be able to say whatever they want. They are not free from scrutiny.

(06-04-2020, 01:25 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2020, 01:17 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly.

Brees and any athlete should be allowed to say what they want. It’s just hilarious that Lebron gets told to shut up and dribble yet Brees is told the opposite by a certain news outlet....

Athletes should be able to say whatever they want. They are not free from scrutiny.

I predict Drew Brees will retire this summer.

(06-04-2020, 01:25 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2020, 01:17 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly.

Brees and any athlete should be allowed to say what they want. It’s just hilarious that Lebron gets told to shut up and dribble yet Brees is told the opposite by a certain news outlet....

Athletes should be able to say whatever they want. They are not free from scrutiny.

We all agree on that.

Care to comment on the obvious example of racism that the video shows? This is EXACTLY what racism in America looks like; a black man and a white man doing the exact same thing, black man gets told to shut up, white man gets told it's ok to express his opinion.

Racism is absolutely real, it absolutely still exists, and it will still do massive damage in America as long as it is around, and people keep denying it.

What are you talking about? Try to open up your mind for a second and just imagine: If Drew Brees kneeled for the anthem to protest police brutality. If he advocated for a socialist change in search of racial justice, do you think Fox News would support him because he's white? Conversely, do you think if Kaepernick (excluding his history) would be well received if he went on ESPN and said people need to stop kneeling and support the flag? You think Fox News wouldn't air that? Use your brain, dude. Everything is not racism. This is classic team politics. The fact that you even think you were making an unassailable point ought to be a strong indicator that you have been conditioned to think about these ideals in a black and white fashion, no pun intended.

This is nothing but an agenda to push the Reigning Division Champs” aside and their HoF QB to retirement, so the other HoF QB can win the division with his new team and we can write stories about it during the season

(06-04-2020, 02:16 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]What are you talking about? Try to open up your mind for a second and just pretend. If Drew Brees kneeled for the anthem to protest police brutality. If he advocated for a socialist change in search of racial justice, do you think Fox News would support him because he's white? Conversely, do you think if Kaepernick (excluding his history) would be well received if he went on ESPN and said people need to stop kneeling and support the flag? You think Fox News wouldn't air that? Use your brain, dude. Everything is not racism. This is classic team politics. The fact that you even think you were making an unassailable point ought to be a strong indicator that you have been conditioned to think about these ideals in a black and white fashion, no pun intended.

Kaepernick found a new platform, but he lost his job.  The distinction has nothing to do with who gets to speak on which news channel.  For me, it's about the game. You can't argue that Kaepernick didn't deserve a backup position, at least, based on his skill.  But he was taken out of the NFL for saying stuff that the white conservative owners believed that their white conservative fans didn't want to hear.  Brees might get pilloried in the left leaning media for a while, but these stories won't be equivalent unless Brees says he wants to play and none of the 32 teams let him.

Moved the goal posts. Now we're comparing talent and headaches. We were just comparing networks' responses to who said it.

Kaepernick started his protest by sitting, not kneeling, and then someone told him that kneeling would look better than sitting … so he did have a care about how his protest looked to the public.

I don’t believe he was blackballed by the league, I believe there are 32 individual owners that fear losing any small, medium, or large percentage of their fan base. Would that happen? I’m not sure, but I do wish at least one team would give him a legit shot.

From Daniel Greenfield: The Privilege of Anger
https://politichicks.com/2020/06/greenfi...privilege/

(06-04-2020, 02:49 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]Moved the goal posts. Now we're comparing talent and headaches. We were just comparing networks' responses to who said it.

Why would you compare how the networks cover their political speech without first establishing if they are similarly employed by the league and have the similar talent to justify it? 
I'm not moving the goalposts.  I'm telling you you skipped over an important part of the story.  Maybe you assume we feel similarly about if Kaepernick deserved to play in 2017 or 2018.  But we probably don't, so we should probably talk about that first.

(06-04-2020, 12:16 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]

This is a great video. Since racism has generally been removed, white privileged was created. It was create to do exactly what he said, to keep black people down. Why bother to try to succeed in life if I'm not white? I'm just going to fail because I'm black. It's the left's plan to continue to keep minorities dependent on them and under their control.

If everyone believes hard work can raise your status in life, leftist views disappear.

(06-04-2020, 02:16 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]What are you talking about? Try to open up your mind for a second and just imagine: If Drew Brees kneeled for the anthem to protest police brutality. If he advocated for a socialist change in search of racial justice, do you think Fox News would support him because he's white? Conversely, do you think if Kaepernick (excluding his history) would be well received if he went on ESPN and said people need to stop kneeling and support the flag? You think Fox News wouldn't air that? Use your brain, dude. Everything is not racism. This is classic team politics. The fact that you even think you were making an unassailable point ought to be a strong indicator that you have been conditioned to think about these ideals in a black and white fashion, no pun intended.

Here's the thing I don't understand about your blindness to racism...

You are a white man living in Florida, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

My whole life I've had family in Jax, and I've spent a lot of time there. My uncle's family are from Georgia, and I've spent a lot of time there. I lived in South Carolina for 2 years. Throughout that time I met many white people who were explicitly racist... Not in terms of "I don't like Colin Kaepernick"... In terms of using the n-word freely and openly stating that black people are lesser than white people. Some of these people were rednecks, some of them were in positions of great authority, some were members of my own family. This makes two things clear as day to me:

1) racism is clearly very real.

2) some people in my family suck.

My question to you is, have you really never been around explicitly racist people? Or, if you have, is that irrelevant to you?

And, of course, those people who are explicitly racist are just the tip of the iceberg. The vast majority of people keep that [BLEEP] hidden. There are undoubtedly people who have posted in this part of the message board who say that [BLEEP] behind closed doors, and if you believe there aren't then you are even more willfully ignorant than I assumed.

(06-04-2020, 04:07 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2020, 02:16 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]What are you talking about? Try to open up your mind for a second and just imagine: If Drew Brees kneeled for the anthem to protest police brutality. If he advocated for a socialist change in search of racial justice, do you think Fox News would support him because he's white? Conversely, do you think if Kaepernick (excluding his history) would be well received if he went on ESPN and said people need to stop kneeling and support the flag? You think Fox News wouldn't air that? Use your brain, dude. Everything is not racism. This is classic team politics. The fact that you even think you were making an unassailable point ought to be a strong indicator that you have been conditioned to think about these ideals in a black and white fashion, no pun intended.

Here's the thing I don't understand about your blindness to racism...

You are a white man living in Florida, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

My whole life I've had family in Jax, and I've spent a lot of time there. My uncle's family are from Georgia, and I've spent a lot of time there. I lived in South Carolina for 2 years. Throughout that time I met many white people who were explicitly racist... Not in terms of "I don't like Colin Kaepernick"... In terms of using the n-word freely and openly stating that black people are lesser than white people. Some of these people were rednecks, some of them were in positions of great authority, some were members of my own family. This makes two things clear as day to me:

1) racism is clearly very real.

2) some people in my family suck.

My question to you is, have you really never been around explicitly racist people? Or, if you have, is that irrelevant to you?

And, of course, those people who are explicitly racist are just the tip of the iceberg. The vast majority of people keep that [BLEEP] hidden. There are undoubtedly people who have posted in this part of the message board who say that [BLEEP] behind closed doors, and if you believe there aren't then you are even more willfully ignorant than I assumed.

Lol.  U think that's bad?  Do u have any idea the stick I get as a trump supporter in a black barbershop?

(06-04-2020, 04:17 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2020, 04:07 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the thing I don't understand about your blindness to racism...

You are a white man living in Florida, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

My whole life I've had family in Jax, and I've spent a lot of time there. My uncle's family are from Georgia, and I've spent a lot of time there. I lived in South Carolina for 2 years. Throughout that time I met many white people who were explicitly racist... Not in terms of "I don't like Colin Kaepernick"... In terms of using the n-word freely and openly stating that black people are lesser than white people. Some of these people were rednecks, some of them were in positions of great authority, some were members of my own family. This makes two things clear as day to me:

1) racism is clearly very real.

2) some people in my family suck.

My question to you is, have you really never been around explicitly racist people? Or, if you have, is that irrelevant to you?

And, of course, those people who are explicitly racist are just the tip of the iceberg. The vast majority of people keep that [BLEEP] hidden. There are undoubtedly people who have posted in this part of the message board who say that [BLEEP] behind closed doors, and if you believe there aren't then you are even more willfully ignorant than I assumed.

Lol.  U think that's bad?  Do u have any idea the stick I get as a trump supporter in a black barbershop?

Well since you ask, yes I think white people explicitly saying racist slurs and expressing white supremacist ideas is significantly worse than you getting stick at the barber shop because you voted for an egomaniacal buffoon.