(08-06-2020, 11:57 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I can understand how people on the left think the liberty/tea party conservatives are extreme.
I look at the Extreme Right as being the skinheads, KKK, and every other person that pretty much thinks that we should revert back to the good ole days when indiscreet racism was just an acceptable way of life.
Too funny. Nancy didn't get her softballs from (of all people!) Judy Woodruff. The dems have become so accustomed to having the media in bed with them that Nancy accuses Woodruff of infidelity when asked a fair question.
https://twitter.com/EddieZipperer/status...07040?s=20
(08-06-2020, 09:01 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]people still triggered by name changes I see
Just as much as people triggered by NAMES?
Jacksonville, Jackson Mississippi, Jackson Hole Wyoming... It isn't just schools we're talking about people trying to erase history via schools, roads, statues, libraries, city and town names.
There is a lot of Jackson and Lee stuff out there.
And setting the precedent leaves the door open for removing every Washington, Lincoln, Adams....
1984 here we come.
(08-07-2020, 10:32 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020, 10:27 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Just as much as people triggered by NAMES?
Jacksonville, Jackson Mississippi, Jackson Hole Wyoming... It isn't just schools we're talking about people trying to erase history via schools, roads, statues, libraries, city and town names.
There is a lot of Jackson and Lee stuff out there.
And setting the precedent leaves the door open for removing every Washington, Lincoln, Adams....
1984 here we come.
(That's the joke)
We have a High School named after a man that massacred Frenchmen for being Protestant with a sign that said...
"Hung Not as Frenchmen, But As Lutherans"
but the revenge story is awesome... Nobleman turned Pirate hires 200 crew to assault Fort Caroline to take it back... executes every Spaniard in the fort...
"Hung Not as Spaniards, But as Murderers"
History is cool
(08-07-2020, 10:27 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2020, 09:01 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]people still triggered by name changes I see
Just as much as people triggered by NAMES?
Jacksonville, Jackson Mississippi, Jackson Hole Wyoming... It isn't just schools we're talking about people trying to erase history via schools, roads, statues, libraries, city and town names.
There is a lot of Jackson and Lee stuff out there.
And setting the precedent leaves the door open for removing every Washington, Lincoln, Adams....
1984 here we come.
City names are not history. Neither are statues. Taking down statues does not erase history.
Personally, I am in favor of re-naming things that are named after Confederate generals. Those people do not deserve statues or names on high schools.
As for Andrew Jackson? That's probably going too far. Although I am no admirer of that guy. And Washington? No way. Washington was the greatest man that ever walked on this continent. That's where I come down.
It will be too late by then.
The Taliban destroyed historic relics not that long ago.
When the Wuhan China virus started, China shut down certain cities. As Dr. Fauci put it, "they did this to their people" (note, not FOR their people).
Ponder those two facts for a moment while equating it to what we see today.
(08-07-2020, 04:07 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The Taliban destroyed historic relics not that long ago.
When the Wuhan China virus started, China shut down certain cities. As Dr. Fauci put it, "they did this to their people" (note, not FOR their people).
Ponder those two facts for a moment while equating it to what we see today.
Trump threatened to destroy them
(08-07-2020, 12:37 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020, 10:27 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Just as much as people triggered by NAMES?
Jacksonville, Jackson Mississippi, Jackson Hole Wyoming... It isn't just schools we're talking about people trying to erase history via schools, roads, statues, libraries, city and town names.
There is a lot of Jackson and Lee stuff out there.
And setting the precedent leaves the door open for removing every Washington, Lincoln, Adams....
1984 here we come.
City names are not history. Neither are statues. Taking down statues does not erase history.
Personally, I am in favor of re-naming things that are named after Confederate generals. Those people do not deserve statues or names on high schools.
As for Andrew Jackson? That's probably going too far. Although I am no admirer of that guy. And Washington? No way. Washington was the greatest man that ever walked on this continent. That's where I come down.
City names are frequently historical in nature and statues are monuments to people or events considered significant, occasionally currently, more often at a previous point in time. Taking down a statue does not erase history, but it does eliminate a specific memory of it. For some, a marker representing the country's darkest hour is far more important than one celebrating the best of times. Memories of adverse times and events in our nation's history need not be eliminated, instead they can serve to illustrate our progression and remind us to continue.
I don't necessarily disagree with renaming schools, but that is not my decision to make and there is no objective way to measure "deserving".
While you may believe targeting Andrew Jackson is going to far, other may feel that's not far enough and therein lies the real problem........if you start, where do you stop? There is a group on the left that will never be satisfied. If we give in to a statue today, what happens tomorrow when they demand the twenty dollar bill?
(08-08-2020, 01:38 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020, 12:37 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]City names are not history. Neither are statues. Taking down statues does not erase history.
Personally, I am in favor of re-naming things that are named after Confederate generals. Those people do not deserve statues or names on high schools.
As for Andrew Jackson? That's probably going too far. Although I am no admirer of that guy. And Washington? No way. Washington was the greatest man that ever walked on this continent. That's where I come down.
City names are frequently historical in nature and statues are monuments to people or events considered significant, occasionally currently, more often at a previous point in time. Taking down a statue does not erase history, but it does eliminate a specific memory of it. For some, a marker representing the country's darkest hour is far more important than one celebrating the best of times. Memories of adverse times and events in our nation's history need not be eliminated, instead they can serve to illustrate our progression and remind us to continue.
I don't necessarily disagree with renaming schools, but that is not my decision to make and there is no objective way to measure "deserving".
While you may believe targeting Andrew Jackson is going to far, other may feel that's not far enough and therein lies the real problem........if you start, where do you stop? There is a group on the left that will never be satisfied. If we give in to a statue today, what happens tomorrow when they demand the twenty dollar bill?
What do you mean tomorrow. They got the $20 change approved 5 years ago. It's a matter of when now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes...l.amp.html
Did I hear it correctly that now someone wants to change the name of Beach Blvd?
(08-08-2020, 02:31 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Did I hear it correctly that now someone wants to change the name of Beach Blvd?
Yes, we need to change it to playa boulevard to pay our respect to the Spanish heritage of Florida
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(08-08-2020, 02:31 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Did I hear it correctly that now someone wants to change the name of Beach Blvd?
Yes. John The Baptist Blvd. Because one JTB is not enough.
(08-08-2020, 01:38 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2020, 12:37 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]City names are not history. Neither are statues. Taking down statues does not erase history.
Personally, I am in favor of re-naming things that are named after Confederate generals. Those people do not deserve statues or names on high schools.
As for Andrew Jackson? That's probably going too far. Although I am no admirer of that guy. And Washington? No way. Washington was the greatest man that ever walked on this continent. That's where I come down.
City names are frequently historical in nature and statues are monuments to people or events considered significant, occasionally currently, more often at a previous point in time. Taking down a statue does not erase history, but it does eliminate a specific memory of it. For some, a marker representing the country's darkest hour is far more important than one celebrating the best of times. Memories of adverse times and events in our nation's history need not be eliminated, instead they can serve to illustrate our progression and remind us to continue.
I don't necessarily disagree with renaming schools, but that is not my decision to make and there is no objective way to measure "deserving".
While you may believe targeting Andrew Jackson is going to far, other may feel that's not far enough and therein lies the real problem........if you start, where do you stop? There is a group on the left that will never be satisfied. If we give in to a statue today, what happens tomorrow when they demand the twenty dollar bill?
So we shouldn’t change anything because we might not be able to stop?
We shouldn't change anything as a form of shutting down activism that wants to push until it accomplishes its goal of eliminating our government.
(08-08-2020, 06:08 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]We shouldn't change anything as a form of shutting down activism that wants to push until it accomplishes its goal of eliminating our government.
But when does that ever stop being true?
If I accept that, today, I should never support change because the agents for change want to go all the way and eliminate the entire system, how will I know, in the future, that this is no longer the case?
Doesn't this line of thinking just lead to rejecting all change, forever?
(08-08-2020, 08:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2020, 06:08 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]We shouldn't change anything as a form of shutting down activism that wants to push until it accomplishes its goal of eliminating our government.
But when does that ever stop being true?
If I accept that, today, I should never support change because the agents for change want to go all the way and eliminate the entire system, how will I know, in the future, that this is no longer the case?
Doesn't this line of thinking just lead to rejecting all change, forever?
And thus you have the conservative mission statement