(10-05-2020, 11:25 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2020, 09:45 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]And yet no one has tested positive a second time in the entire world .... science be dammed
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Yes they have. A man in Hong Kong tested positive for it twice; once in April and again in August. Read the article.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200824...ovid-twice
There have been issues with a few reports of this happening and after further research they turned out to not be true. If his body fought it off and he didn't get symptoms, was he spreading it or was the virus dying. Basically the virus is dead and not multiplying, but it is still in the blood at a level high enough to be registered as a positive test. There have been no cases where someone recovered, tested negative, and then got it again other than that report. Since he wasn't being tested he could have had it still in his system.
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(10-05-2020, 11:45 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2020, 11:25 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes they have. A man in Hong Kong tested positive for it twice; once in April and again in August. Read the article.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200824...ovid-twice
There have been issues with a few reports of this happening and after further research they turned out to not be true. If his body fought it off and he didn't get symptoms, was he spreading it or was the virus dying. Basically the virus is dead and not multiplying, but it is still in the blood at a level high enough to be registered as a positive test. There have been no cases where someone recovered, tested negative, and then got it again other than that report. Since he wasn't being tested he could have had it still in his system.
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Did you even read the article? For some reason my Kindle is not letting me copy the text, but under the tweet there is a paragraph that says the hospital sequenced his genome both times he
tested positive and the virus was slightly different the second time meaning it changed from four months prior. It's similar to how the common cold and flu both mutate and get people sick every year.
(10-06-2020, 01:09 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2020, 11:45 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]There have been issues with a few reports of this happening and after further research they turned out to not be true. If his body fought it off and he didn't get symptoms, was he spreading it or was the virus dying. Basically the virus is dead and not multiplying, but it is still in the blood at a level high enough to be registered as a positive test. There have been no cases where someone recovered, tested negative, and then got it again other than that report. Since he wasn't being tested he could have had it still in his system.
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Did you even read the article? For some reason my Kindle is not letting me copy the text, but under the tweet there is a paragraph that says the hospital sequenced his genome both times he tested positive and the virus was slightly different the second time meaning it changed from four months prior. It's similar to how the common cold and flu both mutate and get people sick every year.
Yes I did because I wanted to see what they were reporting as a 2nd infection as there have been 0 cases, even in labs. The issue is they didn't test the guy and he was not sick between the tests he got. Viruses mutate in people and are spread and further mutate. You cannot say that it didn't mutate in him after his body started attacking it in recovery. There are plenty of cases, also why the 1 doctor said the next 48 are critical for Trump, that show people get worse once they start recovering. Tests were also changing, so he may have had enough change for him to test negative.
I just don't believe 1 person in the whole world caught it 2 times and no one else has. I agree that there are a bunch of mutations like the flu, but we aren't there yet with people catching it. Maybe China is hiding the info, but it would be wider spread if people could get it a 2nd time. Travel hasn't been shut down and the Euro strain was the dominant one, there should be a lot of people testing positive again.
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I’ve defended Trump for the last 4 years from my idiot relatives
But this guy has been acting crazy lately. Could’ve used a lot less of this sideshow right before the election
(10-05-2020, 11:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2020, 08:28 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone can report on anything, but they can't call themselves a news agency if they are trying to make a profit. Don't think it would keep leftists from eventually overtaking those positions, but at least there's a standard. I honestly don't really have an answer for the media, dude. I don't know how you solve this problem. It's a real problem, though.
So you suggest a law abridging the freedom of the Press?
Like I said, I don't know how to solve the problem It needs to be addressed in some way. Our news agencies are businesses and we are consumers. This business model is creating the worst possible outcome for unity in this country.
(10-06-2020, 05:54 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve defended Trump for the last 4 years from my idiot relatives
But this guy has been acting crazy lately. Could’ve used a lot less of this sideshow right before the election
As I stated before, contracting COVID made him look foolish. However, I honestly thinks he does the sideshow stuff to spin up the left. He knows the MSM will salivate over it which places them in a strange dichotomy; they appreciate Trump's exhibitionism because he's getting them more clicks and eyeballs than they ever would with doddering Biden - or a Republican candidate they could control at will in the past, but at the same time it conflicts with their deep-seated bias. The news and pundit people hate him, corporate loves him.
We enjoyed peace and prosperity until the pandemic brought the whole world down. The craziness is rooted in the left's attempt to create a (failed) narrative of unrest by burning and rioting. The fact their candidate didn't win in 2016 after it was all but
promised to them coupled with the unmasking of the deep state and the MSM fully out of the closet and exposed has driven them to new heights of insanity. Especially since they can't make anything stick to Trump after going through their overused playbook of character assassinations for the umpteenth time.
Trump has three nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. How much do you see of that in the MSM? Very little, of course. But if it were one of their own it would be inserted into their daily news headers along with a 'Nobel Peace Prize watch'. They must try to control the narrative.
It's all perspective. The left will use their extensive media resources to attack and persuade. Reasonable people see it for what it is.
I don't agree with Trump egging the MSM on. But from the MSM perspective, I think having a "heel" allows for lazy writing, that get a lot of hits so it's a Win for them.
Just check out CNN headlines:
"Trump goes back to White House while still INFECTED!!!!"
"Trump leaves hospital AGAINST DOCTOR'S ORDERS!!!"
"Trump licking doorknobs at the White House to SPREAD COVID-19 to WHITE HOUSE STAFF!!!"
"Trump to include COVID-19 GERMS WITH YOUR 2020 TAX REFUND!!!"
"Trump JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS!!!!"
That last headline is low, even for the President.
(10-06-2020, 07:44 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 05:54 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve defended Trump for the last 4 years from my idiot relatives
But this guy has been acting crazy lately. Could’ve used a lot less of this sideshow right before the election
As I stated before, contracting COVID made him look foolish. However, I honestly thinks he does the sideshow stuff to spin up the left. He knows the MSM will salivate over it which places them in a strange dichotomy; they appreciate Trump's exhibitionism because he's getting them more clicks and eyeballs than they ever would with doddering Biden - or a Republican candidate they could control at will in the past, but at the same time it conflicts with their deep-seated bias. The news and pundit people hate him, corporate loves him.
We enjoyed peace and prosperity until the pandemic brought the whole world down. The craziness is rooted in the left's attempt to create a (failed) narrative of unrest by burning and rioting. The fact their candidate didn't win in 2016 after it was all but promised to them coupled with the unmasking of the deep state and the MSM fully out of the closet and exposed has driven them to new heights of insanity. Especially since they can't make anything stick to Trump after going through their overused playbook of character assassinations for the umpteenth time.
Trump has three nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. How much do you see of that in the MSM? Very little, of course. But if it were one of their own it would be inserted into their daily news headers along with a 'Nobel Peace Prize watch'. They must try to control the narrative.
It's all perspective. The left will use their extensive media resources to attack and persuade. Reasonable people see it for what it is.
This is a pile of crap. He put on that triumphant return to the White House show, after his tour for his supporters while still a patient at Walter Reed, as a show of strength. A pathetic attempt to keep himself in the spotlight, to show the world the virus didn't "dominate" him. Climbing the stairway alone, dramatically removing his mask to show the world that he was gasping for breath. All this while needlessly endangering everyone around him. And if he was trolling the MSM, how do you think the families of 210,000 dead Americans feel about that? Did their loved ones get helicoptered to Walter Reed hospital, where they were in a 4 room suite being cared for by a team of our top doctors (well, one bumbling Osteopath) and given experimental treatments? Or anyone else still feeling the affects of a virus they contracted months ago. Did they get to leave isolation to wave to their loved ones? He was making a [BLEEP] campaign ad.
Trump has done plenty to deserve every bit of scrutiny he's received, before and after the election. the problem is nobody reads beyond what they are told by the news outlet they trust to read. He tried grifting his family, squandered so many millions (maybe billions) on failed business ventures that no reputable bank would loan him money so he turned to the Russians. Eric said it out loud. But you and others just cover your ears and chant FAKE NEWS over and over so you don't have hear it.
Doddering Biden? Now who's buying into the Fox nonsense? He was sharp and focused at his recent town hall, and clearly the adult on the debate stage.
I'm fairly certain you and the other Trump apologists will label me as having TDS. Whatever, I'll refer you to FBT's signature. After Trump leaves office and no longer has AG Cohn...err...Barr to cover his [BLEEP], the facts will come out. I'll be waiting, doubtlessly in vain, to hear Trumpettes accept the truth.
(10-06-2020, 02:10 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 07:44 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]As I stated before, contracting COVID made him look foolish. However, I honestly thinks he does the sideshow stuff to spin up the left. He knows the MSM will salivate over it which places them in a strange dichotomy; they appreciate Trump's exhibitionism because he's getting them more clicks and eyeballs than they ever would with doddering Biden - or a Republican candidate they could control at will in the past, but at the same time it conflicts with their deep-seated bias. The news and pundit people hate him, corporate loves him.
We enjoyed peace and prosperity until the pandemic brought the whole world down. The craziness is rooted in the left's attempt to create a (failed) narrative of unrest by burning and rioting. The fact their candidate didn't win in 2016 after it was all but promised to them coupled with the unmasking of the deep state and the MSM fully out of the closet and exposed has driven them to new heights of insanity. Especially since they can't make anything stick to Trump after going through their overused playbook of character assassinations for the umpteenth time.
Trump has three nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. How much do you see of that in the MSM? Very little, of course. But if it were one of their own it would be inserted into their daily news headers along with a 'Nobel Peace Prize watch'. They must try to control the narrative.
It's all perspective. The left will use their extensive media resources to attack and persuade. Reasonable people see it for what it is.
This is a pile of crap. He put on that triumphant return to the White House show, after his tour for his supporters while still a patient at Walter Reed, as a show of strength. A pathetic attempt to keep himself in the spotlight, to show the world the virus didn't "dominate" him. Climbing the stairway alone, dramatically removing his mask to show the world that he was gasping for breath. All this while needlessly endangering everyone around him. And if he was trolling the MSM, how do you think the families of 210,000 dead Americans feel about that? Did their loved ones get helicoptered to Walter Reed hospital, where they were in a 4 room suite being cared for by a team of our top doctors (well, one bumbling Osteopath) and given experimental treatments? Or anyone else still feeling the affects of a virus they contracted months ago. Did they get to leave isolation to wave to their loved ones? He was making a [BLEEP] campaign ad.
Trump has done plenty to deserve every bit of scrutiny he's received, before and after the election. the problem is nobody reads beyond what they are told by the news outlet they trust to read. He tried grifting his family, squandered so many millions (maybe billions) on failed business ventures that no reputable bank would loan him money so he turned to the Russians. Eric said it out loud. But you and others just cover your ears and chant FAKE NEWS over and over so you don't have hear it.
Doddering Biden? Now who's buying into the Fox nonsense? He was sharp and focused at his recent town hall, and clearly the adult on the debate stage.
I'm fairly certain you and the other Trump apologists will label me as having TDS. Whatever, I'll refer you to FBT's signature. After Trump leaves office and no longer has AG Cohn...err...Barr to cover his [BLEEP], the facts will come out. I'll be waiting, doubtlessly in vain, to hear Trumpettes accept the truth.
Much like you and HRC fans have accepted her defeat in the last 3 years and 11 months?
(10-06-2020, 02:10 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 07:44 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]As I stated before, contracting COVID made him look foolish. However, I honestly thinks he does the sideshow stuff to spin up the left. He knows the MSM will salivate over it which places them in a strange dichotomy; they appreciate Trump's exhibitionism because he's getting them more clicks and eyeballs than they ever would with doddering Biden - or a Republican candidate they could control at will in the past, but at the same time it conflicts with their deep-seated bias. The news and pundit people hate him, corporate loves him.
We enjoyed peace and prosperity until the pandemic brought the whole world down. The craziness is rooted in the left's attempt to create a (failed) narrative of unrest by burning and rioting. The fact their candidate didn't win in 2016 after it was all but promised to them coupled with the unmasking of the deep state and the MSM fully out of the closet and exposed has driven them to new heights of insanity. Especially since they can't make anything stick to Trump after going through their overused playbook of character assassinations for the umpteenth time.
Trump has three nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. How much do you see of that in the MSM? Very little, of course. But if it were one of their own it would be inserted into their daily news headers along with a 'Nobel Peace Prize watch'. They must try to control the narrative.
It's all perspective. The left will use their extensive media resources to attack and persuade. Reasonable people see it for what it is.
This is a pile of crap. He put on that triumphant return to the White House show, after his tour for his supporters while still a patient at Walter Reed, as a show of strength. A pathetic attempt to keep himself in the spotlight, to show the world the virus didn't "dominate" him. Climbing the stairway alone, dramatically removing his mask to show the world that he was gasping for breath. All this while needlessly endangering everyone around him. And if he was trolling the MSM, how do you think the families of 210,000 dead Americans feel about that? Did their loved ones get helicoptered to Walter Reed hospital, where they were in a 4 room suite being cared for by a team of our top doctors (well, one bumbling Osteopath) and given experimental treatments? Or anyone else still feeling the affects of a virus they contracted months ago. Did they get to leave isolation to wave to their loved ones? He was making a [BLEEP] campaign ad.
Trump has done plenty to deserve every bit of scrutiny he's received, before and after the election. the problem is nobody reads beyond what they are told by the news outlet they trust to read. He tried grifting his family, squandered so many millions (maybe billions) on failed business ventures that no reputable bank would loan him money so he turned to the Russians. Eric said it out loud. But you and others just cover your ears and chant FAKE NEWS over and over so you don't have hear it.
Doddering Biden? Now who's buying into the Fox nonsense? He was sharp and focused at his recent town hall, and clearly the adult on the debate stage.
I'm fairly certain you and the other Trump apologists will label me as having TDS. Whatever, I'll refer you to FBT's signature. After Trump leaves office and no longer has AG Cohn...err...Barr to cover his [BLEEP], the facts will come out. I'll be waiting, doubtlessly in vain, to hear Trumpettes accept the truth.
OH bull [BLEEP].
He was a patient at Walter Reed because of his position, not because of his condition. Do you honestly think he made the choice to go there?
While in the hospital much of the MSM was breathlessly awaiting news that he was on a ventilator and that his condition was "dire". It didn't happen. I saw a montage where they were saying that he is "clinically obese" which is false. He is in his 70's and over weight, but by no means "obese", yet that's what the liberal MSM kept calling it.
From the little that has been released, he was not given anything more than anyone else would have gotten. He didn't get some "secret, special experimental miracle" drug.
When he arrived home (The White House) he was not "gasping for breath".
His message was right on target. We should not live in fear by shutting down the economy or not going about our daily lives. Guess what? Next year it's not only going to be "flu and cold season" it's also going to include COVID. It's not going away and it's not an immediate death sentence to get it.
Can we consider it a terrorist act if someone knowingly has coronavirus spread it to other people?
(10-09-2020, 10:16 AM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Can we consider it a terrorist act if someone knowingly has coronavirus spread it to other people?
There are laws in some states that charge for willful or knowledgeable transmission of HIV, but those are narrow laws and wouldn't apply. So, no, not really. Can you imagine what the civil trials would look like in a few years?
(10-06-2020, 07:26 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2020, 11:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]So you suggest a law abridging the freedom of the Press?
Like I said, I don't know how to solve the problem It needs to be addressed in some way. Our news agencies are businesses and we are consumers. This business model is creating the worst possible outcome for unity in this country.
We only need to enforce slander and libel laws more effectively.
(10-09-2020, 10:16 AM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Can we consider it a terrorist act if someone knowingly has coronavirus spread it to other people?
There are already laws that cover someone intentionally trying to spread certain infectious diseases.
If you lower to that standard, then everyone with covid could be charged since any act could be an attempt to "spread it". Kiss your wife? Terroristic act. Go to the park? Terroristic act. Want McDonald's? Terroristic act.
Also, good luck proving they actually gave it to someone and that someone else isn't responsible.
(10-09-2020, 12:25 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 07:26 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said, I don't know how to solve the problem It needs to be addressed in some way. Our news agencies are businesses and we are consumers. This business model is creating the worst possible outcome for unity in this country.
We only need to enforce slander and libel laws more effectively.
(10-09-2020, 10:16 AM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Can we consider it a terrorist act if someone knowingly has coronavirus spread it to other people?
There are already laws that cover someone intentionally trying to spread certain infectious diseases.
If you lower to that standard, then everyone with covid could be charged since any act could be an attempt to "spread it". Kiss your wife? Terroristic act. Go to the park? Terroristic act. Want McDonald's? Terroristic act.
Also, good luck proving they actually gave it to someone and that someone else isn't responsible.
Okay, just for hypothetical sake, what if a person knew they had Covid-19 and went and visited a nursing home? Do you think that should be prosecutable?
(10-09-2020, 12:50 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2020, 12:25 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]We only need to enforce slander and libel laws more effectively.
There are already laws that cover someone intentionally trying to spread certain infectious diseases.
If you lower to that standard, then everyone with covid could be charged since any act could be an attempt to "spread it". Kiss your wife? Terroristic act. Go to the park? Terroristic act. Want McDonald's? Terroristic act.
Also, good luck proving they actually gave it to someone and that someone else isn't responsible.
Okay, just for hypothetical sake, what if a person knew they had Covid-19 and went and visited a nursing home? Do you think that should be prosecutable?
You can pretty much charge anyone for anything that is reckless conduct that endangers others. You just have to be able to articulate why it's reckless and why it endangers others.
I'd argue that simply having covid and visiting a nursing home shouldn't be enough unless their intent is to infect others. But that's the problem, you can't just write a law saying that having covid and visiting nursing homes is illegal or else the staff and patients are subjected to being arrested. Everyone knows that shooting a gun into the air is reckless, but everything we know about covid seems to always change, so I wouldn't feel comfortable arresting people on what-ifs.
(10-09-2020, 03:14 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2020, 12:50 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, just for hypothetical sake, what if a person knew they had Covid-19 and went and visited a nursing home? Do you think that should be prosecutable?
You can pretty much charge anyone for anything that is reckless conduct that endangers others. You just have to be able to articulate why it's reckless and why it endangers others.
I'd argue that simply having covid and visiting a nursing home shouldn't be enough unless their intent is to infect others. But that's the problem, you can't just write a law saying that having covid and visiting nursing homes is illegal or else the staff and patients are subjected to being arrested. Everyone knows that shooting a gun into the air is reckless, but everything we know about covid seems to always change, so I wouldn't feel comfortable arresting people on what-ifs.
To be specific, I'm not asking about just having Covid and visiting a nursing home. I'm asking about KNOWING you have Covid and visiting a nursing home.
(10-09-2020, 04:53 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2020, 03:14 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]You can pretty much charge anyone for anything that is reckless conduct that endangers others. You just have to be able to articulate why it's reckless and why it endangers others.
I'd argue that simply having covid and visiting a nursing home shouldn't be enough unless their intent is to infect others. But that's the problem, you can't just write a law saying that having covid and visiting nursing homes is illegal or else the staff and patients are subjected to being arrested. Everyone knows that shooting a gun into the air is reckless, but everything we know about covid seems to always change, so I wouldn't feel comfortable arresting people on what-ifs.
To be specific, I'm not asking about just having Covid and visiting a nursing home. I'm asking about KNOWING you have Covid and visiting a nursing home.
It still wouldn't change much. If you're an employee, you could very well learn you have covid while working and immediately have violated the law. It's all about intent to harm. Otherwise, why don't we charge DUI drivers with vehicular homicide or aggravated assault? Operating a vehicle under the influence can just as easily kill someone as a covid-infected person could spread it to an elderly person.
(10-06-2020, 03:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 02:10 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]This is a pile of crap. He put on that triumphant return to the White House show, after his tour for his supporters while still a patient at Walter Reed, as a show of strength. A pathetic attempt to keep himself in the spotlight, to show the world the virus didn't "dominate" him. Climbing the stairway alone, dramatically removing his mask to show the world that he was gasping for breath. All this while needlessly endangering everyone around him. And if he was trolling the MSM, how do you think the families of 210,000 dead Americans feel about that? Did their loved ones get helicoptered to Walter Reed hospital, where they were in a 4 room suite being cared for by a team of our top doctors (well, one bumbling Osteopath) and given experimental treatments? Or anyone else still feeling the affects of a virus they contracted months ago. Did they get to leave isolation to wave to their loved ones? He was making a [BLEEP] campaign ad.
Trump has done plenty to deserve every bit of scrutiny he's received, before and after the election. the problem is nobody reads beyond what they are told by the news outlet they trust to read. He tried grifting his family, squandered so many millions (maybe billions) on failed business ventures that no reputable bank would loan him money so he turned to the Russians. Eric said it out loud. But you and others just cover your ears and chant FAKE NEWS over and over so you don't have hear it.
Doddering Biden? Now who's buying into the Fox nonsense? He was sharp and focused at his recent town hall, and clearly the adult on the debate stage.
I'm fairly certain you and the other Trump apologists will label me as having TDS. Whatever, I'll refer you to FBT's signature. After Trump leaves office and no longer has AG Cohn...err...Barr to cover his [BLEEP], the facts will come out. I'll be waiting, doubtlessly in vain, to hear Trumpettes accept the truth.
OH bull [BLEEP].
He was a patient at Walter Reed because of his position, not because of his condition. Do you honestly think he made the choice to go there?
While in the hospital much of the MSM was breathlessly awaiting news that he was on a ventilator and that his condition was "dire". It didn't happen. I saw a montage where they were saying that he is "clinically obese" which is false. He is in his 70's and over weight, but by no means "obese", yet that's what the liberal MSM kept calling it.
From the little that has been released, he was not given anything more than anyone else would have gotten. He didn't get some "secret, special experimental miracle" drug.
When he arrived home (The White House) he was not "gasping for breath".
His message was right on target. We should not live in fear by shutting down the economy or not going about our daily lives. Guess what? Next year it's not only going to be "flu and cold season" it's also going to include COVID. It's not going away and it's not an immediate death sentence to get it.
I got news for you, he's obese. Ask a doctor.
Look at the closeup of Trump after he climbed those stairs and removed his mask. He was clearly having trouble breathing.
He was given an experimental antibody medication only given to 10 other patients. Look it up.
I did not say he did not have a choice, I'm saying he told Americans that he beat it, others can beat it. He beat it (maybe) because he had access to care others may dream about. $100,000 worth of care provided by the taxpayers for a man who brags about avoiding taxes. It's an insult to everyone who got "dominated" and died.
I've seen the effects of COVID on a healthy 32 year old woman. Contracted it in April, stayed seriously ill for nearly a month and is just now able to resume her daily exercise routine. Do you think a business could stay open if several employees were similarly affected?
As for "what little we've been told", why is that. Why won't he tell us when he first tested positive, and how often he's tested negative? We know he lied about being tested daily. Why did he needlessly expose so many?
Tell me this - would you go to a Trump rally without a mask and crowded together with others?