10-19-2020, 12:39 PM
10-19-2020, 02:06 PM
(10-19-2020, 12:14 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ](10-19-2020, 11:54 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]With our schedule being changed, we are on a bye after the Chargers.
It's either then, end of the season or they get another year.
At this point you might as well tank and offer the new staff the highest pick possible. You’re not going to salvage this season by rushing folks out the door, so might as well use them to continue tanking.
That and their contract ends the end of the season.
Khan has said very little this season which I find telling. I dont know if they planned to tank and go for #1 before the season. The season is over already sadly, getting as high a draft spot looks the best route but the coaches, Minshew, Caldwell know they are all probably done if we go 1-15.
Khan may throw Marrone under the bus at the bye, just as something to keep the fans onside, make Gruden interim and we would still be in the hunt for #1 pick. They wont fix this team halfway through the season.
10-19-2020, 02:07 PM
So I scrolled through all the responses. Agree completely with everyone here that making a statement this firm about your defensive coordinator is unacceptable.
One thing not yet discussed - what impact will this have on defensive players we wish to retain? One, without a change, we keep pushing the round pegs against the square holes, and nobody is going to develop while the same regime keeps them stagnant. Two, if your contract is coming up, or if you're a star player who may be due for an extension, continued frustration with ownership that seems okay with languishing somewhere below mediocrity will sour your desire to stick around long term. We've already seen this with a heap of our best defensive guys.
I have NO idea whether any of the position coaches would be able to do any better or worse than the DC is doing presently, but a big part of the hierarchy is training up those assistants so they CAN step up when needed to get performance out of their part of the roster. Why not give one of them a few weeks to post a resume filler, at the very least, especially if you realize the ship is taking on water? I think the roster is in revolt, and the longer Khan (and Dave) remain idle, the worse the impact will be.
One thing not yet discussed - what impact will this have on defensive players we wish to retain? One, without a change, we keep pushing the round pegs against the square holes, and nobody is going to develop while the same regime keeps them stagnant. Two, if your contract is coming up, or if you're a star player who may be due for an extension, continued frustration with ownership that seems okay with languishing somewhere below mediocrity will sour your desire to stick around long term. We've already seen this with a heap of our best defensive guys.
I have NO idea whether any of the position coaches would be able to do any better or worse than the DC is doing presently, but a big part of the hierarchy is training up those assistants so they CAN step up when needed to get performance out of their part of the roster. Why not give one of them a few weeks to post a resume filler, at the very least, especially if you realize the ship is taking on water? I think the roster is in revolt, and the longer Khan (and Dave) remain idle, the worse the impact will be.
10-19-2020, 02:24 PM
(10-19-2020, 12:14 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ](10-19-2020, 11:54 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]With our schedule being changed, we are on a bye after the Chargers.
It's either then, end of the season or they get another year.
That and their contract ends the end of the season.
Doug and Dave are signed through the 2021 season.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2255...ug-marrone
"That's why he added two years to each of their contracts, which were originally set to expire after the 2019 season. They now will run through the 2021 season."
10-19-2020, 02:26 PM
(10-19-2020, 02:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ](10-19-2020, 12:14 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]At this point you might as well tank and offer the new staff the highest pick possible. You’re not going to salvage this season by rushing folks out the door, so might as well use them to continue tanking.
That and their contract ends the end of the season.
Khan has said very little this season which I find telling. I dont know if they planned to tank and go for #1 before the season. The season is over already sadly, getting as high a draft spot looks the best route but the coaches, Minshew, Caldwell know they are all probably done if we go 1-15.
Khan may throw Marrone under the bus at the bye, just as something to keep the fans onside, make Gruden interim and we would still be in the hunt for #1 pick. They wont fix this team halfway through the season.
Honestly I'd be happy with that. At least it's SOMETHING. I also think Gruden would be a better HC than Marrone. Not who I'd want long term, but he'd be better right now.
10-19-2020, 02:27 PM
(10-19-2020, 02:07 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]So I scrolled through all the responses. Agree completely with everyone here that making a statement this firm about your defensive coordinator is unacceptable.
One thing not yet discussed - what impact will this have on defensive players we wish to retain? One, without a change, we keep pushing the round pegs against the square holes, and nobody is going to develop while the same regime keeps them stagnant. Two, if your contract is coming up, or if you're a star player who may be due for an extension, continued frustration with ownership that seems okay with languishing somewhere below mediocrity will sour your desire to stick around long term. We've already seen this with a heap of our best defensive guys.
I have NO idea whether any of the position coaches would be able to do any better or worse than the DC is doing presently, but a big part of the hierarchy is training up those assistants so they CAN step up when needed to get performance out of their part of the roster. Why not give one of them a few weeks to post a resume filler, at the very least, especially if you realize the ship is taking on water? I think the roster is in revolt, and the longer Khan (and Dave) remain idle, the worse the impact will be.
I agree. I believe the jettisoning of all our defensive veterans that went on before the season had two purposes. First they were going to get what they could for those that would not buy into their system before they became an issue this season. Second they knew it would be bad and moved those they felt deserved to not spend a year of their season experiencing this. (if they could)
10-19-2020, 02:46 PM
Ya know... not sure Wash getting fired would actually fix what's going on with the defense.
Caldwell just purged the defensive side of the ball of most of the talent and veteran leadership and then hoped that rookies and 2nd year players would be good enough. I'll admit, I didn't think any level of our defense would be this bad. It's real bad. Henderson is good but he's a rookie. No matter who we line up at safety, it's a problem. The depth behind Henderson and Jones is laughable right now. The DL is young and/or untalented.
Jack and Scho are good LBers but when Jack goes down the lack of depth is a glaring issue.
That isn't to say I wanna keep Wash... I just think it's gonna be this bad or worse all year.
Marrone is probably the guy that needs to go... Maybe get that interim HC bump.
But that means sacrificing draft position at this point. I never want to lose. But the awful defense would be easier to swallow if the offense was putting up points. 13, 14, 16 points scored... That ain't on the D or Wash.
Caldwell just purged the defensive side of the ball of most of the talent and veteran leadership and then hoped that rookies and 2nd year players would be good enough. I'll admit, I didn't think any level of our defense would be this bad. It's real bad. Henderson is good but he's a rookie. No matter who we line up at safety, it's a problem. The depth behind Henderson and Jones is laughable right now. The DL is young and/or untalented.
Jack and Scho are good LBers but when Jack goes down the lack of depth is a glaring issue.
That isn't to say I wanna keep Wash... I just think it's gonna be this bad or worse all year.
Marrone is probably the guy that needs to go... Maybe get that interim HC bump.
But that means sacrificing draft position at this point. I never want to lose. But the awful defense would be easier to swallow if the offense was putting up points. 13, 14, 16 points scored... That ain't on the D or Wash.
10-19-2020, 03:08 PM
(10-19-2020, 02:24 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Oh ****!(10-19-2020, 12:14 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]That and their contract ends the end of the season.
Doug and Dave are signed through the 2021 season.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2255...ug-marrone
"That's why he added two years to each of their contracts, which were originally set to expire after the 2019 season. They now will run through the 2021 season."
I don’t see Con ending that contract early. He doesn’t care if we win or lose.
10-19-2020, 03:16 PM
(10-19-2020, 03:08 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ](10-19-2020, 02:24 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Doug and Dave are signed through the 2021 season.Oh ****!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2255...ug-marrone
"That's why he added two years to each of their contracts, which were originally set to expire after the 2019 season. They now will run through the 2021 season."
I don’t see Con ending that contract early. He doesn’t care if we win or lose.
I dunno... maybe he doesn't. But he has to put up the facade of caring otherwise the season ticket numbers will take a big hit. Willing to bet ST holders will be in the 15,000 range if he sticks with Doug and Dave.
They met this off season, so I would hope he was considering a change then. They sold him on some plan... but from what I can see aren't fulfilling the "being competitive" part of it.
3 wins or less, I think he cleans house. I mean... he moved on from Gus Bradley's contract. Almost immediately after extending it lol
10-19-2020, 03:35 PM
(10-19-2020, 03:16 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ](10-19-2020, 03:08 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Oh ****!
I don’t see Con ending that contract early. He doesn’t care if we win or lose.
I dunno... maybe he doesn't. But he has to put up the facade of caring otherwise the season ticket numbers will take a big hit. Willing to bet ST holders will be in the 15,000 range if he sticks with Doug and Dave.
They met this off season, so I would hope he was considering a change then. They sold him on some plan... but from what I can see aren't fulfilling the "being competitive" part of it.
3 wins or less, I think he cleans house. I mean... he moved on from Gus Bradley's contract. Almost immediately after extending it lol
I hate to be one of those guys- but I can’t help but feel like he has a motive when you look at his record as owner. His accountability speech was what, two years ago? I wouldn’t not be surprised if he’s not just tanking the season but the franchise for a move.
10-19-2020, 04:17 PM
Shad has to fire everyone and rebuild this team from the top down. That's the only way. Make it happen.
10-19-2020, 04:19 PM
(10-19-2020, 03:35 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ](10-19-2020, 03:16 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I dunno... maybe he doesn't. But he has to put up the facade of caring otherwise the season ticket numbers will take a big hit. Willing to bet ST holders will be in the 15,000 range if he sticks with Doug and Dave.
They met this off season, so I would hope he was considering a change then. They sold him on some plan... but from what I can see aren't fulfilling the "being competitive" part of it.
3 wins or less, I think he cleans house. I mean... he moved on from Gus Bradley's contract. Almost immediately after extending it lol
I hate to be one of those guys- but I can’t help but feel like he has a motive when you look at his record as owner. His accountability speech was what, two years ago? I wouldn’t not be surprised if he’s not just tanking the season but the franchise for a move.
The thing is though, where is he going to move them to? I know everyone says London, but there's no way to have a permanent team in London. It's just not viable logistically.
10-19-2020, 04:33 PM
10-19-2020, 08:54 PM
(10-19-2020, 02:26 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ](10-19-2020, 02:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Khan has said very little this season which I find telling. I dont know if they planned to tank and go for #1 before the season. The season is over already sadly, getting as high a draft spot looks the best route but the coaches, Minshew, Caldwell know they are all probably done if we go 1-15.
Khan may throw Marrone under the bus at the bye, just as something to keep the fans onside, make Gruden interim and we would still be in the hunt for #1 pick. They wont fix this team halfway through the season.
Honestly I'd be happy with that. At least it's SOMETHING. I also think Gruden would be a better HC than Marrone. Not who I'd want long term, but he'd be better right now.
I think most of us would as well. I dont know what Khan is thinking. I've always wondered how cancelling the 2 London games went down with him. Those boost the revenue which is going to be down anyway. Theres been next to nothing from upstairs all year and Khan isnt supposed to be that type of owner.
If we still dont hear from him during/after the bye then I dont know what hes trying to do.
10-19-2020, 11:37 PM
Khan told us last year that he agreed with their plan. The plan was to burn it down and start again. This year's results were expected, and the sooner y'all accept that the happier you'll be when Khan doesn't fire anyone this year.
10-20-2020, 04:08 AM
(10-19-2020, 11:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Khan told us last year that he agreed with their plan. The plan was to burn it down and start again. This year's results were expected, and the sooner y'all accept that the happier you'll be when Khan doesn't fire anyone this year.
Going into September what is your final record prediction for the Jags.
(08-31-2020, 03:06 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]6 to 8 wins.
10-20-2020, 06:52 AM
(10-19-2020, 04:17 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]Shad has to fire everyone and rebuild this team from the top down. That's the only way. Make it happen.
I totally agree. Firing Todd Wash isn't going to accomplish anything, unless everyone else gets fired at the same time.
10-20-2020, 08:19 AM
Fire Marrone and hire Joe Brady
Brady would turn Cole into an All Pro with his QB
Brady would turn Cole into an All Pro with his QB
10-20-2020, 08:30 AM
(10-20-2020, 04:08 AM)KodiakJag Wrote: [ -> ](10-19-2020, 11:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Khan told us last year that he agreed with their plan. The plan was to burn it down and start again. This year's results were expected, and the sooner y'all accept that the happier you'll be when Khan doesn't fire anyone this year.
Going into September what is your final record prediction for the Jags.
(08-31-2020, 03:06 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]6 to 8 wins.
Yep, I bought the lie. I should've stuck with my opinion at the draft, but I fell for the hype.
10-20-2020, 09:10 AM
I can see some people wanting out of Jax if they stay the course next year.