(10-22-2020, 05:21 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 04:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The health and safety of the American people? That's the narrative. Yeah, I do hold him in high regard. He's telling us the science of how to cut down the risk of getting Covid-19 and I appreciate that, because Trump is doing just the opposite.
Tony Fauchi has one job. Trump has the job off marrying his information with many other factors including people being able to maintain a livelihood.
With the hypocritical media, the politicization of the pandemic, Fauchi flip flopping more than a pancake, and our governments refusal to help people with another stimulus, my gut tells me most people are tired of Tony Fauchi.
Trump dismisses Fauci when the facts don't fit his narrative. There is a reason why the U.S. has nearly 100,000 more deaths than the next highest country and it's because Trump has tried to silence the scientists every chance he gets and throws out his own misinformation. He's no scientist. He's clueless. He's a businessman. He knows nothing about the disease. He only knows what the experts tell him, but he doesn't want them stealing his thunder. This is just another case of Trump's ego getting in the way of what is right, only this time it has cost a lot of people their lives.
(10-22-2020, 05:34 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 04:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The health and safety of the American people? That's the narrative. Yeah, I do hold him in high regard. He's telling us the science of how to cut down the risk of getting Covid-19 and I appreciate that, because Trump is doing just the opposite.
I listened to him until he was having to backtrack on too much info he put out. Not all his fault since the science of Covid is not known, so there is that. But I don't trust him now because he just keeps talking. And to disagree with Fauci does not mean I am for Trump and how he handles anything.
The biggest problem I've had with the handling of Covid is the media. I understand the public want and deserve answers, but this novel virus spread into a worldwide pandemic during an election year with a magnifying glass on every move made by the scientific community. And it's been politicized by the media, the democrats and the republicans. Virus discovery, analysis, and vaccines typically happen behind closed doors at the CDC and USAMRIID. Things we only vaguely hear about. Covid exploded and we're all collateral damage with the misinformation whether intended or not.
Fauci fails at an impossible job (being a highly visible scientist when the science is not settled yet), but he does it with good intentions.
Trump fails at a possible job (coming up with workable compromises on reopenings, masks, and relief/stimulus), and he does it with bad intentions.
(10-22-2020, 06:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 05:34 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I listened to him until he was having to backtrack on too much info he put out. Not all his fault since the science of Covid is not known, so there is that. But I don't trust him now because he just keeps talking. And to disagree with Fauci does not mean I am for Trump and how he handles anything.
The biggest problem I've had with the handling of Covid is the media. I understand the public want and deserve answers, but this novel virus spread into a worldwide pandemic during an election year with a magnifying glass on every move made by the scientific community. And it's been politicized by the media, the democrats and the republicans. Virus discovery, analysis, and vaccines typically happen behind closed doors at the CDC and USAMRIID. Things we only vaguely hear about. Covid exploded and we're all collateral damage with the misinformation whether intended or not.
Fauci fails at an impossible job (being a highly visible scientist when the science is not settled yet), but he does it with good intentions.
Trump fails at a possible job (coming up with workable compromises on reopenings, masks, and relief/stimulus), and he does it with bad intentions.
Is it Trunps job to come up with a reopening strategy? Isn't that a dictator move?
Since when was Biden extreme left?
Just because you keep creeping further to the right doesn't mean the other person is extreme left.
(10-22-2020, 06:50 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Since when was Biden extreme left?
Just because you keep creeping further to the right doesn't mean the other person is extreme left.
Aren't we just a giant walking bumper sticker this week.
Do you have anything else?
(10-22-2020, 06:50 PM)Ilastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Since when was Biden extreme left?
Just because you keep creeping further to the right doesn't mean the other person is extreme left.
You don’t live here. Don’t pretend that you do. Don’t try to tell us things are one way, when in fact it’s not. You’re really making yourself out to look a fool.
(10-22-2020, 06:40 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 06:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Fauci fails at an impossible job (being a highly visible scientist when the science is not settled yet), but he does it with good intentions.
Trump fails at a possible job (coming up with workable compromises on reopenings, masks, and relief/stimulus), and he does it with bad intentions.
Is it Trunps job to come up with a reopening strategy? Isn't that a dictator move?
It was his job to present an over-arching vision of how it should work. To explain at least the very top of the decision-tree. Governors would have been free to do more, but not free to do less. He presented nothing, leaving governors free to do nothing.
(10-22-2020, 07:13 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 06:40 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Is it Trunps job to come up with a reopening strategy? Isn't that a dictator move?
It was his job to present an over-arching vision of how it should work. To explain at least the very top of the decision-tree. Governors would have been free to do more, but not free to do less. He presented nothing, leaving governors free to do nothing.
It is clear the governors who didn't share or ever intended to share his vision. These are the states currently under mass exodus.
(10-22-2020, 06:50 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Since when was Biden extreme left?
Just because you keep creeping further to the right doesn't mean the other person is extreme left.
I know why you say that.
Economically, and on an international scale, Biden is nowhere near the extreme left.
But Americans don't think much about the international scale. Most of us don't travel, or even read about other places.
And we don't think as much about economics when we vote.
Consider that most of us still think Caitlyn Jenner is a joke or a tragedy, and the candidate for President affirmed that 8 year olds can and should imitate that, you might start to understand what he means by "extreme left".
Doesn’t matter what Trump does/did/didn’t do. To some, it will never be the right thing.
In all honesty, the only knack on him that I would acknowledge as a credible concern would be his mouth. But even that is a relief for a good portion of the country. God forbid we have a guy capable of running the country that isn’t a career politician lying to us 24-7
(10-22-2020, 06:40 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 06:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Fauci fails at an impossible job (being a highly visible scientist when the science is not settled yet), but he does it with good intentions.
Trump fails at a possible job (coming up with workable compromises on reopenings, masks, and relief/stimulus), and he does it with bad intentions.
Is it Trunps job to come up with a reopening strategy? Isn't that a dictator move?
It's Trump's job to listen to the country's top scientist and relay that information to the people so we know what we're dealing with. He has failed at that miserably. By shutting them down and creating his own narrative through misinformation, he's coming off looking like a dictator.
(10-22-2020, 06:50 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Since when was Biden extreme left?
Just because you keep creeping further to the right doesn't mean the other person is extreme left.
Biden is far from the extreme left. AOC is extreme left. He may not be great by any means, but he is MUCH better than her. That woman is a nut!
(10-22-2020, 07:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 06:40 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Is it Trunps job to come up with a reopening strategy? Isn't that a dictator move?
It's Trump's job to listen to the country's top scientist and relay that information to the people so we know what we're dealing with. He has failed at that miserably. By shutting them down and creating his own narrative through misinformation, he's coming off looking like a dictator.
(10-22-2020, 06:50 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Since when was Biden extreme left?
Just because you keep creeping further to the right doesn't mean the other person is extreme left.
Biden is far from the extreme left. AOC is extreme left. He may not be great by any means, but he is MUCH better than her. That woman is a nut!
...and that far left extreme nut will be your president within a year after Biden suffers “insert fatal medical condition”.
(10-22-2020, 07:25 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn’t matter what Trump does/did/didn’t do. To some, it will never be the right thing.
In all honesty, the only knack on him that I would acknowledge as a credible concern would be his mouth. But even that is a relief for a good portion of the country. God forbid we have a guy capable of running the country that isn’t a career politician lying to us 24-7
Now we have a businessman lying to us 24/7, who puts special interest lobbyist in key cabinet positions. What's the difference? We exchange one type of corrupt liar for another.
(10-22-2020, 07:35 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 07:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]It's Trump's job to listen to the country's top scientist and relay that information to the people so we know what we're dealing with. He has failed at that miserably. By shutting them down and creating his own narrative through misinformation, he's coming off looking like a dictator.
Biden is far from the extreme left. AOC is extreme left. He may not be great by any means, but he is MUCH better than her. That woman is a nut!
...and that far left extreme nut will be your president within a year after Biden suffers “insert fatal medical condition”.
Which is why I say we are screwed either way, hence I voted Libertarian.
(10-22-2020, 07:35 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 07:25 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn’t matter what Trump does/did/didn’t do. To some, it will never be the right thing.
In all honesty, the only knack on him that I would acknowledge as a credible concern would be his mouth. But even that is a relief for a good portion of the country. God forbid we have a guy capable of running the country that isn’t a career politician lying to us 24-7
Now we have a businessman lying to us 24/7, who puts special interest lobbyist in key cabinet positions. What's the difference? We exchange one type of corrupt liar for another.
Ask yourself this: Before Covid, how was your life?
(10-22-2020, 07:15 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 07:13 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It was his job to present an over-arching vision of how it should work. To explain at least the very top of the decision-tree. Governors would have been free to do more, but not free to do less. He presented nothing, leaving governors free to do nothing.
It is clear the governors who didn't share or ever intended to share his vision. These are the states currently under mass exodus.
Sure, there are governors who want to do more than any reasonable president would have done. That's not Trump's fault, and it wouldn't be his fault in my hypothetical.
But I don't think Trump has a vision like you say.
Doing nothing is not a vision.
Contradicting the guidance issued by his own departments is not a vision.
(10-22-2020, 07:25 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn’t matter what Trump does/did/didn’t do. To some, it will never be the right thing.
In all honesty, the only knack on him that I would acknowledge as a credible concern would be his mouth. But even that is a relief for a good portion of the country. God forbid we have a guy capable of running the country that isn’t a career politician lying to us 24-7
Dude that is a sophomoric fallacy if I ever heard one.
"It doesn't matter what we do because someone always thinks it's wrong."
"People complain regardless of the decisions I make, therefore any decision I could make is equally good."
No dude.
There are bad, good, worst, and best decisions regardless of what complainers say.
(10-22-2020, 07:35 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 07:25 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn’t matter what Trump does/did/didn’t do. To some, it will never be the right thing.
In all honesty, the only knack on him that I would acknowledge as a credible concern would be his mouth. But even that is a relief for a good portion of the country. God forbid we have a guy capable of running the country that isn’t a career politician lying to us 24-7
Now we have a businessman lying to us 24/7, who puts special interest lobbyist in key cabinet positions. What's the difference? We exchange one type of corrupt liar for another.
(10-22-2020, 07:35 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]...and that far left extreme nut will be your president within a year after Biden suffers “insert fatal medical condition”.
Which is why I say we are screwed either way, hence I voted Libertarian.
As honorable as that can be, we all know its either Harris or Trump. So a libertarian or write in if any nature is a throw away vote. Why waste the time? If nothing else, vote for the “lesser of evils”. Even if it’s not what I would agree with. Idk, I’ve got my views. You do as well. But I can’t can’t fathom why someone would even consider Biden/Harris.
(10-22-2020, 07:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 07:15 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It is clear the governors who didn't share or ever intended to share his vision. These are the states currently under mass exodus.
Sure, there are governors who want to do more than any reasonable president would have done. That's not Trump's fault, and it wouldn't be his fault in my hypothetical.
But I don't think Trump has a vision like you say.
Doing nothing is not a vision.
Contradicting the guidance issued by his own departments is not a vision.
(10-22-2020, 07:25 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn’t matter what Trump does/did/didn’t do. To some, it will never be the right thing.
In all honesty, the only knack on him that I would acknowledge as a credible concern would be his mouth. But even that is a relief for a good portion of the country. God forbid we have a guy capable of running the country that isn’t a career politician lying to us 24-7
Dude that is a sophomoric fallacy if I ever heard one.
"It doesn't matter what we do because someone always thinks it's wrong."
"People complain regardless of the decisions I make, therefore any decision I could make is equally good."
No dude.
There are bad, good, worst, and best decisions regardless of what complainers say.
Well, all I can say is, if Harris wins, I hope you’re happy. Careful what you wish for.
(10-22-2020, 06:58 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 06:50 PM)Ilastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Since when was Biden extreme left?
Just because you keep creeping further to the right doesn't mean the other person is extreme left.
You don’t live here. Don’t pretend that you do. Don’t try to tell us things are one way, when in fact it’s not. You’re really making yourself out to look a fool.
When have I pretended I live there?
Very odd response
(10-22-2020, 07:55 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 06:58 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]You don’t live here. Don’t pretend that you do. Don’t try to tell us things are one way, when in fact it’s not. You’re really making yourself out to look a fool.
When have I pretended I live there?
Very odd response
So... you’ve got nothing?
(10-22-2020, 07:35 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 07:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]It's Trump's job to listen to the country's top scientist and relay that information to the people so we know what we're dealing with. He has failed at that miserably. By shutting them down and creating his own narrative through misinformation, he's coming off looking like a dictator.
Biden is far from the extreme left. AOC is extreme left. He may not be great by any means, but he is MUCH better than her. That woman is a nut!
...and that far left extreme nut will be your president within a year after Biden suffers “insert fatal medical condition”.
How would AOC become president?
(10-22-2020, 07:37 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 07:35 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Now we have a businessman lying to us 24/7, who puts special interest lobbyist in key cabinet positions. What's the difference? We exchange one type of corrupt liar for another.
Ask yourself this: Before Covid, how was your life?
Honestly, the same as it is now.
(10-22-2020, 07:42 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 07:35 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Now we have a businessman lying to us 24/7, who puts special interest lobbyist in key cabinet positions. What's the difference? We exchange one type of corrupt liar for another.
Which is why I say we are screwed either way, hence I voted Libertarian.
As honorable as that can be, we all know its either Harris or Trump. So a libertarian or write in if any nature is a throw away vote. Why waste the time? If nothing else, vote for the “lesser of evils”. Even if it’s not what I would agree with. Idk, I’ve got my views. You do as well. But I can’t can’t fathom why someone would even consider Biden/Harris.
You can call it a throwaway vote if you want, but trying to choose the lesser of two evils between Trump and Kamala Harris (we all know she will end up being president if Biden is elected,) is just a coin flip for me. I genuinely loathe them equally. I see no redeeming value in either one. Besides, I'm tired of picking between the lesser of two evils. That's why we keep ending up with crappy candidates. It's just like the South Park analogy. Every election is a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. It's time to actually vote for someone who will do the best job and not choose a candidate who is less evil than the other one, just because that's who is probably gonna win. I truly believe Jo Jorgensen is the best candidate for the job, so that's how I voted. I did my civic duty and I am able to sleep well at night, knowing I didn't contribute to the downfall of America.
Personally, I can't fathom anyone would consider Trump/Pence or Biden/Harris. Neither have any redeeming values as far as I'm concerned.