(01-07-2021, 02:42 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2021, 02:40 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing and everything. But at this point there's nothing to be said. The Congress has made their decision. I think we have a major problem with election transparency and the democrats don't want to do anything about it. Until that is dealt with it doesn't matter how much noise is made by anyone who feels the country has been cheated of a fair election process.
Until the mob shows up again in greater numbers..
(01-07-2021, 02:41 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Freedom of Speech is not the freedom to be hosted on a web server.
It is not the freedom to call for insurrection.
How many times have you been shadow banned on Twitter for having a democratic voice?
Do you want the mob to show up again? I don't. I hope you weren't wishing for such a thing.
I don't use Twitter. I don't think you meant to say shadow ban. A shadow ban is where a few people can still see your stuff, but most of your followers can not, and you don't know. Trump isn't shadow banned. He's banned banned. And thank deity for that. About time.
I am sure that a few left leaning cockroaches who were never important enough to name have gotten themselves twitter banned for inciting hate or violence or destruction of property. Finally the President learns the rules also apply to him.
Has anyone seen the full video of the murder of the Air Force veteran yesterday?
(01-07-2021, 02:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2021, 02:42 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Until the mob shows up again in greater numbers..
How many times have you been shadow banned on Twitter for having a democratic voice?
Do you want the mob to show up again? I don't. I hope you weren't wishing for such a thing.
I don't use Twitter. I don't think you meant to say shadow ban. A shadow ban is where a few people can still see your stuff, but most of your followers can not, and you don't know. Trump isn't shadow banned. He's banned banned. And thank deity for that. About time.
I am sure that a few left leaning cockroaches who were never important enough to name have gotten themselves twitter banned for inciting hate or violence or destruction of property. Finally the President learns the rules also apply to him.
Trust me, I'm well aware of what shadow banned is.. I've been shadow banned a lot within the recent year..
And if they refuse to be transparent with our voting system, whether or not I want the mob to return , doesn't matter..
(01-07-2021, 03:09 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Has anyone seen the full video of the murder of the Air Force veteran yesterday?
I skipped the video of the shooting part, but seems like there are a bunch of questions. No one would have been shot doing that when antifa is burning down stuff. There are also videos of the cops leading them around. It's why I said I think it was planned, not sure about the shooting part but the overrunning the capital was allowed and even encouraged.
So Biden throws the Capitol Police under the bus saying they would have taken different action if this were BLM?
This guy may end up being even more divisive than Obama.
(01-07-2021, 04:58 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]So Biden throws the Capitol Police under the bus saying they would have taken different action if this were BLM?
This guy may end up being even more divisive than Obama.
They would have treated this different, no doubt.... they'd have let them burn down the building.
(01-07-2021, 04:29 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2021, 03:09 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Has anyone seen the full video of the murder of the Air Force veteran yesterday?
I skipped the video of the shooting part, but seems like there are a bunch of questions. No one would have been shot doing that when antifa is burning down stuff. There are also videos of the cops leading them around. It's why I said I think it was planned, not sure about the shooting part but the overrunning the capital was allowed and even encouraged.
The "leading around" thing is misleading. It looks like that in isolation, yes, but that is what they have to do if there was a breach in a hallway or stairway parallel to them. They have to retreat inward to the next intact barrier or else they will have bad guys surround them. Remember dorothy in the witch's castle?
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-at...ice-2021-1
The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.
The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.
"I cannot believe the failure to establish a proper cordon was a mistake. These are very skilled police officials, but they are federal, and that means they ultimately report to the president. This needs to be investigated."
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Conspiracy theories are fun, aren't they?
(01-07-2021, 05:15 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-at...ice-2021-1
The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.
The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.
"I cannot believe the failure to establish a proper cordon was a mistake. These are very skilled police officials, but they are federal, and that means they ultimately report to the president. This needs to be investigated."
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Conspiracy theories are fun, aren't they?
That one's not a conspiracy theory.
The conspiracy theorist already knows what he thinks happened and is going to drive anyone who listens relentlessly to that conclusion.
This French dude is saying, "Let's investigate. I believe the investigation will show this, but do the investigation."
Very different from a conspiracy theory. Now if a good investigation takes place and reveals lots of previously unknown facts, but you read it and say "cover-up! Liars!" Now that's back to a conspiracy theory.
(01-07-2021, 05:15 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-at...ice-2021-1
The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.
The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.
"I cannot believe the failure to establish a proper cordon was a mistake. These are very skilled police officials, but they are federal, and that means they ultimately report to the president. This needs to be investigated."
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Conspiracy theories are fun, aren't they?
You know, I’ve been thinking: there’sa hole in the StroudCrowd crowd’s insistence that it was a left wing plot. That hole is Donald Trump, his kids, and Rudy Giuliani inciting the riot. If anyone, it would have been Trump loyalists that arranged it... and the handling of the situation by the National Guard really opens up questions.
(01-07-2021, 05:27 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2021, 05:15 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-at...ice-2021-1
The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.
The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.
"I cannot believe the failure to establish a proper cordon was a mistake. These are very skilled police officials, but they are federal, and that means they ultimately report to the president. This needs to be investigated."
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Conspiracy theories are fun, aren't they?
You know, I’ve been thinking: there’sa hole in the StroudCrowd crowd’s insistence that it was a left wing plot. That hole is Donald Trump, his kids, and Rudy Giuliani inciting the riot. If anyone, it would have been Trump loyalists that arranged it... and the handling of the situation by the National Guard really opens up questions.
Right.
Trump didn't deploy the NG. Pence did.
Trump's tweet that he loved the Capitol Hill police makes a lot more sense if he believed he had help on the inside of that organization, understaffing them or deploying them in poor formation.
Good meme floating around...
"We spend $750 billion annually on 'defense' and the center of the American government fell in two hours to the Duck Dynasty and a guy in a Chewbacca bikini"
Can someone help me interpret what Joe is implying here?
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(01-07-2021, 05:46 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone help me interpret what Joe is implying here?
He believes, and most in his party believes, that non white protestors get less benefit of the doubt.
Yesterday, the protestors turned insurrectionists were eventually escorted out nonviolently.
The perception is that non-white protestors would simply have been shot with minimal warning.
(01-07-2021, 05:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2021, 05:46 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone help me interpret what Joe is implying here?
He believes, and most in his party believes, that non white protestors get less benefit of the doubt.
Yesterday, the protestors turned insurrectionists were eventually escorted out nonviolently.
The perception is that non-white protestors would simply have been shot with minimal warning.
The pandering doesn't stop for this moron. Sad time the last 30 years. Dumbest, worst Presidents in history one after another since Bush the 1st.
(01-07-2021, 05:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2021, 05:27 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]You know, I’ve been thinking: there’sa hole in the StroudCrowd crowd’s insistence that it was a left wing plot. That hole is Donald Trump, his kids, and Rudy Giuliani inciting the riot. If anyone, it would have been Trump loyalists that arranged it... and the handling of the situation by the National Guard really opens up questions.
Right.
Trump didn't deploy the NG. Pence did.
Trump's tweet that he loved the Capitol Hill police makes a lot more sense if he believed he had help on the inside of that organization, understaffing them or deploying them in poor formation.
Again fake news.
President Trump did in fact give the order to deploy the National Guard. It did not come from Vice President Pence.
(01-07-2021, 05:59 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2021, 05:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Right.
Trump didn't deploy the NG. Pence did.
Trump's tweet that he loved the Capitol Hill police makes a lot more sense if he believed he had help on the inside of that organization, understaffing them or deploying them in poor formation.
Again fake news.
President Trump did in fact give the order to deploy the National Guard. It did not come from Vice President Pence.
Right. Christopher Miller's own statement is fake news. OK. He's just a swamp creature! I forgot.
The fact of the matter is, from what I have seen and read the protest/demonstration at the Capitol was mostly peaceful. There were a small minority that took it over the top and breached the Capitol building and did some damage. I don't know the exact details of how/why the woman that lost her life was shot. The other fatalities were apparently medical issues.
The narrative from the media is that it was a "violent mob", yet the footage that I saw didn't look that way. For the most part it appears to me that the vast majority of the protesters there were doing so in a peaceful fashion. The footage of the combative protesters was less than a handful of the people there.
President Trump didn't help matters any both prior to the breach and with his statement afterwards. I don't believe that he "ordered" this or wanted it to go to this extreme, but he is ultimately responsible any way that you look at it.
Looking at the aftermath, certain members of Congress are making matters worse by opening the possibility of exercising the 25th Amendment. This does nothing more than incite further protests/violence/division, especially after the President acknowledged that there would be a peaceful transfer of power. The better thing to do would be to basically "stop" and wait out the next 2 weeks for the peaceful transfer of power to occur.
It saddens me that our country is in such a bad state. I don't know if we will ever recover from this.
As a proud conservative/republican I can honestly say that the events yesterday and the current state of our country is largely the fault of President Trump.
(01-07-2021, 06:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The fact of the matter is, from what I have seen and read the protest/demonstration at the Capitol was mostly peaceful. There were a small minority that took it over the top and breached the Capitol building and did some damage. I don't know the exact details of how/why the woman that lost her life was shot. The other fatalities were apparently medical issues.
The narrative from the media is that it was a "violent mob", yet the footage that I saw didn't look that way. For the most part it appears to me that the vast majority of the protesters there were doing so in a peaceful fashion. The footage of the combative protesters was less than a handful of the people there.
President Trump didn't help matters any both prior to the breach and with his statement afterwards. I don't believe that he "ordered" this or wanted it to go to this extreme, but he is ultimately responsible any way that you look at it.
Looking at the aftermath, certain members of Congress are making matters worse by opening the possibility of exercising the 25th Amendment. This does nothing more than incite further protests/violence/division, especially after the President acknowledged that there would be a peaceful transfer of power. The better thing to do would be to basically "stop" and wait out the next 2 weeks for the peaceful transfer of power to occur.
It saddens me that our country is in such a bad state. I don't know if we will ever recover from this.
As a proud conservative/republican I can honestly say that the events yesterday and the current state of our country is largely the fault of President Trump.
100% agree with bold. Welcome to the club!
(01-07-2021, 06:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2021, 06:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The fact of the matter is, from what I have seen and read the protest/demonstration at the Capitol was mostly peaceful. There were a small minority that took it over the top and breached the Capitol building and did some damage. I don't know the exact details of how/why the woman that lost her life was shot. The other fatalities were apparently medical issues.
The narrative from the media is that it was a "violent mob", yet the footage that I saw didn't look that way. For the most part it appears to me that the vast majority of the protesters there were doing so in a peaceful fashion. The footage of the combative protesters was less than a handful of the people there.
President Trump didn't help matters any both prior to the breach and with his statement afterwards. I don't believe that he "ordered" this or wanted it to go to this extreme, but he is ultimately responsible any way that you look at it.
Looking at the aftermath, certain members of Congress are making matters worse by opening the possibility of exercising the 25th Amendment. This does nothing more than incite further protests/violence/division, especially after the President acknowledged that there would be a peaceful transfer of power. The better thing to do would be to basically "stop" and wait out the next 2 weeks for the peaceful transfer of power to occur.
It saddens me that our country is in such a bad state. I don't know if we will ever recover from this.
As a proud conservative/republican I can honestly say that the events yesterday and the current state of our country is largely the fault of President Trump.
100% agree with bold. Welcome to the club!
I am not in your liberal/communist/socialist club.