(01-08-2021, 02:58 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Look man, gonna be honest with you. I don't think Hurricane gives a [BLEEP] about this chick. Gonna go out on a limb and suggest that many of the original posters who were so quick to respond to this post wanted to use it as an example to justify their own beliefs, rather than anything productive. Over a million people were in DC and a handful was stupid enough to break into the Capitol. She is responsible for her own actions. She died tragically, because she made a bad decision. Trump didn't tell her to do it. She chose to do it. Now, we have a memorial thread dedicated, in her honor, to lambast Trump supporters. What makes this worse is that many of these same posters justified criminal behavior for MONTHS. It's crude at best. I didn't see conservatives creating fake memorials to emphasize their political positions. Correct me if I'm wrong.
OK. I saw the thread as a discussion about the tragic death of a rioter.
I didn't see it as a place to honor anyone or to lambaste anyone.
Just discussing what happened.
I'm not as in tune with what this poster or that poster has said in the past as I don't frequent the forum consistently and I've been swamped with work from August-December.
Hurricane's motives have no bearing on my posts.
You'll not find posts from me justifying criminal behavior of rioters from "leftist" protests etc.
(01-08-2021, 03:14 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 02:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]JIB.
They killed a cop, injured 13 other cops, destroyed federal property, and planted pipe bombs for chrissake.
You are severely attempting to gloss over the actions of these violent trespassing criminals.
What percentage of them were "peaceful" felons? 80% 85% 94.3%?
Who gives a [BLEEP]?
They became violent rioters when they crossed a guarded threshold and entered a federal building by force.
I think you are kind of missing my point.
It appears to me that you are referring to "they" and "them" as everyone that was at the Capitol building. If I am mistaken about that I apologize. I watched the events unfolding on live television and flipped between a few different news outlets to see the coverage. By far the vast majority of the people there were peaceful and mostly standing around with patriotic flags/displays and such. It was a VERY small minority that breached the Capitol building, caused damage and got into altercations with authorities. I am certainly not "glossing over" the actions of those very few. As I said before "They broke the law, caused destruction, etc. and should pay the price for it".
Contrast that to what happened last year when you had crowds of people physically attacking police officers, smashing windows, starting fires, etc. and the MSM called that a "mostly peaceful protest".
Here's a little experiment to try to explain my point a bit better to you. Watch video of news feeds from say the riot in Kenosha from last year with the sound off. Do the same thing with the protest at the Capitol. Which one looks "mostly peaceful" to you and with one looks like a violent riot?
I'm referring to every protestor who crossed the line from peaceful protester to criminality. There were many. 69 arrests made and counting.
How does that percentage of violent vs peaceful protestors compare to some other demonstration, at some other time, about some other perceived injustice? I don't care. Not my point here at all.
Didn't realize the point here had morphed into quantifying the percentage of bad apples at various protests.
And I'm certainly not going to take
stab in the dark guesses about those numbers based on random video footage.
(01-08-2021, 03:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 02:58 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Look man, gonna be honest with you. I don't think Hurricane gives a [BLEEP] about this chick. Gonna go out on a limb and suggest that many of the original posters who were so quick to respond to this post wanted to use it as an example to justify their own beliefs, rather than anything productive. Over a million people were in DC and a handful was stupid enough to break into the Capitol. She is responsible for her own actions. She died tragically, because she made a bad decision. Trump didn't tell her to do it. She chose to do it. Now, we have a memorial thread dedicated, in her honor, to lambast Trump supporters. What makes this worse is that many of these same posters justified criminal behavior for MONTHS. It's crude at best. I didn't see conservatives creating fake memorials to emphasize their political positions. Correct me if I'm wrong.
OK. I saw the thread as a discussion about the tragic death of a rioter.
I didn't see it as a place to honor anyone or to lambaste anyone.
Just discussing what happened.
I'm not as in tune with what this poster or that poster has said in the past as I don't frequent the forum consistently and I've been swamped with work from August-December.
Hurricane's motives have no bearing on my posts.
You'll not find posts from me justifying criminal behavior of rioters from "leftist" protests etc.
(01-08-2021, 03:14 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I think you are kind of missing my point.
It appears to me that you are referring to "they" and "them" as everyone that was at the Capitol building. If I am mistaken about that I apologize. I watched the events unfolding on live television and flipped between a few different news outlets to see the coverage. By far the vast majority of the people there were peaceful and mostly standing around with patriotic flags/displays and such. It was a VERY small minority that breached the Capitol building, caused damage and got into altercations with authorities. I am certainly not "glossing over" the actions of those very few. As I said before "They broke the law, caused destruction, etc. and should pay the price for it".
Contrast that to what happened last year when you had crowds of people physically attacking police officers, smashing windows, starting fires, etc. and the MSM called that a "mostly peaceful protest".
Here's a little experiment to try to explain my point a bit better to you. Watch video of news feeds from say the riot in Kenosha from last year with the sound off. Do the same thing with the protest at the Capitol. Which one looks "mostly peaceful" to you and with one looks like a violent riot?
I'm referring to every protestor who crossed the line from peaceful protester to criminality. There were many. 69 arrests made and counting.
How does that percentage of violent vs peaceful protestors compare to some other demonstration, at some other time, about some other perceived injustice? I don't care. Not my point here at all.
Didn't realize the point here had morphed into quantifying the percentage of bad apples at various protests.
And I'm certainly not going to take stab in the dark guesses about those numbers based on random video footage.
I think my "argument" with you got mixed in with what I see regarding news coverage and how these events are portrayed. Information being put out in the media (both traditional and on social) calls this a "violent mob that attacked the Capitol" while those same outlets called the riots last year "mostly peaceful". They are not even close to being the same and the opposite is true.
Meanwhile you have the
association of flight attendants wanting Trump supporters banned on flights leaving the DC area.
The democrat party supposedly wants "unity" and "calm", yet they are pushing for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and are pushing for yet another impeachment against a President who has conceded and has less than two weeks left in his service. I'm certainly sure that's going to unite the country!
Then you have the President-elect saying that the protesters/law-breakers were treated differently by police because of the color of their skin. Yup, that will certainly unite rather than divide. /s
Finally, the very premise of this thread is to lay blame for Mrs. Babbitt's death on President Trump. Your first post in this thread even implies that.
Quote:It’s a miracle that several more of the trespassing rioters were not shot.
Tragic that she needlessly lost her life due to being duped into believing baseless claims of election fraud and “taking action” at the behest of a despicable politician unable to take a loss like a man.
A lot of people don't believe that there was fraud and the election was stolen because President Trump said so. Many people believe it based on what we saw and how unusual it was. Many people were angry because it was never really investigated and pretty much appeared to be covered up. She lost her life because she was angry enough at our federal government that she made the choice to break the law and take a risk. She suffered the ultimate consequence for her choice.
(01-08-2021, 03:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm referring to every protestor who crossed the line from peaceful protester to criminality. There were many. 69 arrests made and counting.
How does that percentage of violent vs peaceful protestors compare to some other demonstration, at some other time, about some other perceived injustice? I don't care. Not my point here at all.
Didn't realize the point here had morphed into quantifying the percentage of bad apples at various protests.
And I'm certainly not going to take stab in the dark guesses about those numbers based on random video footage.
Just an FYI, I read that of the initial arrests made 50 or so were for violating the curfew.
(01-08-2021, 04:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 03:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]OK. I saw the thread as a discussion about the tragic death of a rioter.
I didn't see it as a place to honor anyone or to lambaste anyone.
Just discussing what happened.
I'm not as in tune with what this poster or that poster has said in the past as I don't frequent the forum consistently and I've been swamped with work from August-December.
Hurricane's motives have no bearing on my posts.
You'll not find posts from me justifying criminal behavior of rioters from "leftist" protests etc.
I'm referring to every protestor who crossed the line from peaceful protester to criminality. There were many. 69 arrests made and counting.
How does that percentage of violent vs peaceful protestors compare to some other demonstration, at some other time, about some other perceived injustice? I don't care. Not my point here at all.
Didn't realize the point here had morphed into quantifying the percentage of bad apples at various protests.
And I'm certainly not going to take stab in the dark guesses about those numbers based on random video footage.
I think my "argument" with you got mixed in with what I see regarding news coverage and how these events are portrayed. Information being put out in the media (both traditional and on social) calls this a "violent mob that attacked the Capitol" while those same outlets called the riots last year "mostly peaceful". They are not even close to being the same and the opposite is true.
Meanwhile you have the association of flight attendants wanting Trump supporters banned on flights leaving the DC area.
The democrat party supposedly wants "unity" and "calm", yet they are pushing for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and are pushing for yet another impeachment against a President who has conceded and has less than two weeks left in his service. I'm certainly sure that's going to unite the country!
Then you have the President-elect saying that the protesters/law-breakers were treated differently by police because of the color of their skin. Yup, that will certainly unite rather than divide. /s
Finally, the very premise of this thread is to lay blame for Mrs. Babbitt's death on President Trump. Your first post in this thread even implies that.
Quote:It’s a miracle that several more of the trespassing rioters were not shot.
Tragic that she needlessly lost her life due to being duped into believing baseless claims of election fraud and “taking action” at the behest of a despicable politician unable to take a loss like a man.
A lot of people don't believe that there was fraud and the election was stolen because President Trump said so. Many people believe it based on what we saw and how unusual it was. Many people were angry because it was never really investigated and pretty much appeared to be covered up. She lost her life because she was angry enough at our federal government that she made the choice to break the law and take a risk. She suffered the ultimate consequence for her choice.
To the bolded in your first response:
I'm not only implying it.
The woman who was killed repeatedly expressed outrage at the election being stolen after Trump published and uttered lie after lie, and baseless claim after baseless claim for weeks on end that he was being corruptly removed from power.
His lies and claims needlessly led her (and millions of others) to an outrage over something patently false.
The election result has been bipartisanly certified.
He is complicit.
Still - didn't realize that was "the very premise." I thought we were discussing the woman's needless death and the circumstance around it.
To your second response:
Like so many things surrounding this presidency, the baseless allegations of election fraud and your perceptions of the process based upon whichever media outlets you've chosen to trust are replete with misinformation. It's the unfortunate age we live in. There are "alternate facts" available from a multitude of talking heads and one can simply adopt the one most convenient to one's sensibilities.
You've read what you've read and adopted a version that supports fraud and corruption affecting the outcome of this election.
I've read what I've read and adopted a version that says there was no more fraud or corruption in this election than in the others I've participated in every four years since coming of age.
How are we to reconcile that?
I wish I knew, brother. I truly do. There's a version of the truth out there for everyone it seems and the real one is damn elusive.
(01-08-2021, 02:28 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Also, side note. Went looking for an article about how the cop died. Can't find one that says what he died from. Bet it was Covid. I reserve the right to change my mind when the press can actually uncover and report what killed the guy.
I seen stuff going around on twitter yesterday that he had his head beaten in with a fire extinguisher.
(01-08-2021, 04:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 04:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I think my "argument" with you got mixed in with what I see regarding news coverage and how these events are portrayed. Information being put out in the media (both traditional and on social) calls this a "violent mob that attacked the Capitol" while those same outlets called the riots last year "mostly peaceful". They are not even close to being the same and the opposite is true.
Meanwhile you have the association of flight attendants wanting Trump supporters banned on flights leaving the DC area.
The democrat party supposedly wants "unity" and "calm", yet they are pushing for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and are pushing for yet another impeachment against a President who has conceded and has less than two weeks left in his service. I'm certainly sure that's going to unite the country!
Then you have the President-elect saying that the protesters/law-breakers were treated differently by police because of the color of their skin. Yup, that will certainly unite rather than divide. /s
Finally, the very premise of this thread is to lay blame for Mrs. Babbitt's death on President Trump. Your first post in this thread even implies that.
A lot of people don't believe that there was fraud and the election was stolen because President Trump said so. Many people believe it based on what we saw and how unusual it was. Many people were angry because it was never really investigated and pretty much appeared to be covered up. She lost her life because she was angry enough at our federal government that she made the choice to break the law and take a risk. She suffered the ultimate consequence for her choice.
To the bolded in your first response:
I'm not only implying it.
The woman who was killed repeatedly expressed outrage at the election being stolen after Trump published and uttered lie after lie, and baseless claim after baseless claim for weeks on end that he was being corruptly removed from power.
His lies and claims needlessly led her (and millions of others) to an outrage over something patently false.
The election result has been bipartisanly certified.
He is complicit.
Still - didn't realize that was "the very premise." I thought we were discussing the woman's needless death and the circumstance around it.
To your second response:
Like so many things surrounding this presidency, the baseless allegations of election fraud and your perceptions of the process based upon whichever media outlets you've chosen to trust are replete with misinformation. It's the unfortunate age we live in. There are "alternate facts" available from a multitude of talking heads and one can simply adopt the one most convenient to one's sensibilities.
You've read what you've read and adopted a version that supports fraud and corruption affecting the outcome of this election.
I've read what I've read and adopted a version that says there was no more fraud or corruption in this election than in the others I've participated in every four years since coming of age.
How are we to reconcile that?
I wish I knew, brother. I truly do. There's a version of the truth out there for everyone it seems and the real one is damn elusive.
I think we are finding some common ground here, and we aren't far off from the truth... whatever that is.
To summarize, I think that you believe that this woman was driven to do what she did based on what President Trump said. My counter to that is that millions of people think that there was corruption and that the election was in fact stolen based on what we saw and read... NOT what President Trump said.
The bottom line is we don't know exactly what motivated her to do what she did that ended up in her death. It could be your version (what President Trump said) or it could be my version (what she saw on whatever media outlet(s)). Either way there is a significant portion of our population that is angry at the government... angry enough to do things that they normally wouldn't do.
I don't know the full background of Mrs. Babbitt. What I do know is that she served her country proudly and was a decorated veteran of the Air Force. 99.9% of the time if someone served our country for 15 years they probably aren't a criminal.
Her death was unfortunate and sad. What happened at the Capitol was unfortunate and sad. The state of our country is unfortunate and sad.
How do we fix it? I don't have the answers either. I used to be a real "tech geek", but I got out of that circle because I saw what was coming. To me tech has turned kind of "evil". Social media, traditional media, etc. has turned into a tool for both sides that can be a very dangerous tool. The "information" spread by such tools is powerful.
(01-08-2021, 05:50 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 04:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]To the bolded in your first response:
I'm not only implying it.
The woman who was killed repeatedly expressed outrage at the election being stolen after Trump published and uttered lie after lie, and baseless claim after baseless claim for weeks on end that he was being corruptly removed from power.
His lies and claims needlessly led her (and millions of others) to an outrage over something patently false.
The election result has been bipartisanly certified.
He is complicit.
Still - didn't realize that was "the very premise." I thought we were discussing the woman's needless death and the circumstance around it.
To your second response:
Like so many things surrounding this presidency, the baseless allegations of election fraud and your perceptions of the process based upon whichever media outlets you've chosen to trust are replete with misinformation. It's the unfortunate age we live in. There are "alternate facts" available from a multitude of talking heads and one can simply adopt the one most convenient to one's sensibilities.
You've read what you've read and adopted a version that supports fraud and corruption affecting the outcome of this election.
I've read what I've read and adopted a version that says there was no more fraud or corruption in this election than in the others I've participated in every four years since coming of age.
How are we to reconcile that?
I wish I knew, brother. I truly do. There's a version of the truth out there for everyone it seems and the real one is damn elusive.
I think we are finding some common ground here, and we aren't far off from the truth... whatever that is.
To summarize, I think that you believe that this woman was driven to do what she did based on what President Trump said. My counter to that is that millions of people think that there was corruption and that the election was in fact stolen based on what we saw and read... NOT what President Trump said.
The bottom line is we don't know exactly what motivated her to do what she did that ended up in her death. It could be your version (what President Trump said) or it could be my version (what she saw on whatever media outlet(s)). Either way there is a significant portion of our population that is angry at the government... angry enough to do things that they normally wouldn't do.
I don't know the full background of Mrs. Babbitt. What I do know is that she served her country proudly and was a decorated veteran of the Air Force. 99.9% of the time if someone served our country for 15 years they probably aren't a criminal.
Her death was unfortunate and sad. What happened at the Capitol was unfortunate and sad. The state of our country is unfortunate and sad.
How do we fix it? I don't have the answers either. I used to be a real "tech geek", but I got out of that circle because I saw what was coming. To me tech has turned kind of "evil". Social media, traditional media, etc. has turned into a tool for both sides that can be a very dangerous tool. The "information" spread by such tools is powerful.
You'd like to think somebody who served 14 years in the Air Force would have a little more common sense than to break the law by storming and rioting the Capitol...
She's a traitor, a criminal and she died for somebody who doesn't give two [BLEEP] about her. Talk about being brainwashed, but I guess that's usually what happens when you join a cult.
Yeah, just like I have no sympathy for idiots who get shot to death fighting with police, I can muster no sympathy for this seditious moron. You know best way to avoid being shot in the neck while partaking in an insurrection on Capitol Hill? Don't partake on an insurrection on Capitol Hill.
On a ridiculously humorous note, the turd who had a heart attack possessed a taser he concealed inside of his pants. It discharged repeatedly into his testicles, causing the heart attack. So to review, this Billy [BLEEP] tasered himself in the sack while trying to steal a picture of Tip O'Neill, all while being surrounded by the chaos of a moronic, hillbilly insurrection. SNL writers wish they could be so clever.
(01-08-2021, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 05:50 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I think we are finding some common ground here, and we aren't far off from the truth... whatever that is.
To summarize, I think that you believe that this woman was driven to do what she did based on what President Trump said. My counter to that is that millions of people think that there was corruption and that the election was in fact stolen based on what we saw and read... NOT what President Trump said.
The bottom line is we don't know exactly what motivated her to do what she did that ended up in her death. It could be your version (what President Trump said) or it could be my version (what she saw on whatever media outlet(s)). Either way there is a significant portion of our population that is angry at the government... angry enough to do things that they normally wouldn't do.
I don't know the full background of Mrs. Babbitt. What I do know is that she served her country proudly and was a decorated veteran of the Air Force. 99.9% of the time if someone served our country for 15 years they probably aren't a criminal.
Her death was unfortunate and sad. What happened at the Capitol was unfortunate and sad. The state of our country is unfortunate and sad.
How do we fix it? I don't have the answers either. I used to be a real "tech geek", but I got out of that circle because I saw what was coming. To me tech has turned kind of "evil". Social media, traditional media, etc. has turned into a tool for both sides that can be a very dangerous tool. The "information" spread by such tools is powerful.
You'd like to think somebody who served 14 years in the Air Force would have a little more common sense than to break the law by storming and rioting the Capitol...
She's a traitor, a criminal and she died for somebody who doesn't give two [BLEEP] about her. Talk about being brainwashed, but I guess that's usually what happens when you join a cult.
Whatever kid. Get back to your phone and your social media account to see how many "likes" you have or whatever they call it in your cult.
This is exhibit A of what I meant by social media being evil.
(01-08-2021, 06:48 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, just like I have no sympathy for idiots who get shot to death fighting with police, I can muster no sympathy for this seditious moron. You know best way to avoid being shot in the neck while partaking in an insurrection on Capitol Hill? Don't partake on an insurrection on Capitol Hill.
On a ridiculously humorous note, the turd who had a heart attack possessed a taser he concealed inside of his pants. It discharged repeatedly into his testicles, causing the heart attack. So to review, this Billy [BLEEP] tasered himself in the sack while trying to steal a picture of Tip O'Neill, all while being surrounded by the chaos of a moronic, hillbilly insurrection. SNL writers wish they could be so clever.
Here is exhibit B.
I'm sure that both of these individuals think that the actual riots that took place last year were justified.
(01-08-2021, 07:17 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You'd like to think somebody who served 14 years in the Air Force would have a little more common sense than to break the law by storming and rioting the Capitol...
She's a traitor, a criminal and she died for somebody who doesn't give two [BLEEP] about her. Talk about being brainwashed, but I guess that's usually what happens when you join a cult.
Whatever kid. Get back to your phone and your social media account to see how many "likes" you have or whatever they call it in your cult.
This is exhibit A of what I meant by social media being evil.
(01-08-2021, 06:48 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, just like I have no sympathy for idiots who get shot to death fighting with police, I can muster no sympathy for this seditious moron. You know best way to avoid being shot in the neck while partaking in an insurrection on Capitol Hill? Don't partake on an insurrection on Capitol Hill.
On a ridiculously humorous note, the turd who had a heart attack possessed a taser he concealed inside of his pants. It discharged repeatedly into his testicles, causing the heart attack. So to review, this Billy [BLEEP] tasered himself in the sack while trying to steal a picture of Tip O'Neill, all while being surrounded by the chaos of a moronic, hillbilly insurrection. SNL writers wish they could be so clever.
Here is exhibit B.
I'm sure that both of these individuals think that the actual riots that took place last year were justified.
Nope, you're wrong. I think no such thing. Sorry, Trumper, you're wrong as always.
(01-08-2021, 07:17 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You'd like to think somebody who served 14 years in the Air Force would have a little more common sense than to break the law by storming and rioting the Capitol...
She's a traitor, a criminal and she died for somebody who doesn't give two [BLEEP] about her. Talk about being brainwashed, but I guess that's usually what happens when you join a cult.
Whatever kid. Get back to your phone and your social media account to see how many "likes" you have or whatever they call it in your cult.
This is exhibit A of what I meant by social media being evil.
(01-08-2021, 06:48 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, just like I have no sympathy for idiots who get shot to death fighting with police, I can muster no sympathy for this seditious moron. You know best way to avoid being shot in the neck while partaking in an insurrection on Capitol Hill? Don't partake on an insurrection on Capitol Hill.
On a ridiculously humorous note, the turd who had a heart attack possessed a taser he concealed inside of his pants. It discharged repeatedly into his testicles, causing the heart attack. So to review, this Billy [BLEEP] tasered himself in the sack while trying to steal a picture of Tip O'Neill, all while being surrounded by the chaos of a moronic, hillbilly insurrection. SNL writers wish they could be so clever.
Here is exhibit B.
I'm sure that both of these individuals think that the actual riots that took place last year were justified.
LOL Hilarious. I'm still one of the few people in this country that doesn't have a smart phone and my twitter account is mainly used to follow sports news etc. But keep on assuming things bud.
If you think them storming and rioting the Capitol was justified, then YOU are what's wrong with this country.
(01-08-2021, 06:48 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, just like I have no sympathy for idiots who get shot to death fighting with police, I can muster no sympathy for this seditious moron. You know best way to avoid being shot in the neck while partaking in an insurrection on Capitol Hill? Don't partake on an insurrection on Capitol Hill.
On a ridiculously humorous note, the turd who had a heart attack possessed a taser he concealed inside of his pants. It discharged repeatedly into his testicles, causing the heart attack. So to review, this Billy [BLEEP] tasered himself in the sack while trying to steal a picture of Tip O'Neill, all while being surrounded by the chaos of a moronic, hillbilly insurrection. SNL writers wish they could be so clever.
A sure finalist for the Darwin Award.
(01-08-2021, 07:37 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 07:17 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever kid. Get back to your phone and your social media account to see how many "likes" you have or whatever they call it in your cult.
This is exhibit A of what I meant by social media being evil.
Here is exhibit B.
I'm sure that both of these individuals think that the actual riots that took place last year were justified.
LOL Hilarious. I'm still one of the few people in this country that doesn't have a smart phone and my twitter account is mainly used to follow sports news etc. But keep on assuming things bud.
If you think them storming and rioting the Capitol was justified, then YOU are what's wrong with this country.
I was going to say, it didn't seem like he thought the insurrection was okay, and that he was making a lame attempt to point out hypocrisy, but then I noticed the word "actual" in his post. What a sad, little human he is.
(01-08-2021, 07:48 PM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 06:48 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, just like I have no sympathy for idiots who get shot to death fighting with police, I can muster no sympathy for this seditious moron. You know best way to avoid being shot in the neck while partaking in an insurrection on Capitol Hill? Don't partake on an insurrection on Capitol Hill.
On a ridiculously humorous note, the turd who had a heart attack possessed a taser he concealed inside of his pants. It discharged repeatedly into his testicles, causing the heart attack. So to review, this Billy [BLEEP] tasered himself in the sack while trying to steal a picture of Tip O'Neill, all while being surrounded by the chaos of a moronic, hillbilly insurrection. SNL writers wish they could be so clever.
A sure finalist for the Darwin Award.
He has to be the winner, no? Though the year is still young.
If not the winner, definitely a silver or bronze medalist.
As you said, there is plenty of time left.
(01-08-2021, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 05:50 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I think we are finding some common ground here, and we aren't far off from the truth... whatever that is.
To summarize, I think that you believe that this woman was driven to do what she did based on what President Trump said. My counter to that is that millions of people think that there was corruption and that the election was in fact stolen based on what we saw and read... NOT what President Trump said.
The bottom line is we don't know exactly what motivated her to do what she did that ended up in her death. It could be your version (what President Trump said) or it could be my version (what she saw on whatever media outlet(s)). Either way there is a significant portion of our population that is angry at the government... angry enough to do things that they normally wouldn't do.
I don't know the full background of Mrs. Babbitt. What I do know is that she served her country proudly and was a decorated veteran of the Air Force. 99.9% of the time if someone served our country for 15 years they probably aren't a criminal.
Her death was unfortunate and sad. What happened at the Capitol was unfortunate and sad. The state of our country is unfortunate and sad.
How do we fix it? I don't have the answers either. I used to be a real "tech geek", but I got out of that circle because I saw what was coming. To me tech has turned kind of "evil". Social media, traditional media, etc. has turned into a tool for both sides that can be a very dangerous tool. The "information" spread by such tools is powerful.
You'd like to think somebody who served 14 years in the Air Force would have a little more common sense than to break the law by storming and rioting the Capitol...
She's a traitor, a criminal and she died for somebody who doesn't give two [BLEEP] about her. Talk about being brainwashed, but I guess that's usually what happens when you join a cult.
The most frustrating thing in conversations with people on the more liberal side of the spectrum is this. You folks continue to not understand that Trump is not the cause but a symptom. Look at what is happening in the wake of Wednesday’s events. Conservative platforms are being openly banned. This is nothing new, the left has been silencing conservatives for years. Disagree with an Obama policy-racist! Oppose abortion on demand-misogynist! Witness a democrat do some egregious act-observe silence from the legacy media or worse a blatant cover up. Trump was championed by the right because he stood up to all of that and gave a disenfranchised segment of society a voice. To make matters worse we are witnessing the left and their partners in the legacy media double and triple down on it, all the while calling for unity.
(01-09-2021, 12:16 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You'd like to think somebody who served 14 years in the Air Force would have a little more common sense than to break the law by storming and rioting the Capitol...
She's a traitor, a criminal and she died for somebody who doesn't give two [BLEEP] about her. Talk about being brainwashed, but I guess that's usually what happens when you join a cult.
The most frustrating thing in conversations with people on the more liberal side of the spectrum is this. You folks continue to not understand that Trump is not the cause but a symptom. Look at what is happening in the wake of Wednesday’s events. Conservative platforms are being openly banned. This is nothing new, the left has been silencing conservatives for years. Disagree with an Obama policy-racist! Oppose abortion on demand-misogynist! Witness a democrat do some egregious act-observe silence from the legacy media or worse a blatant cover up. Trump was championed by the right because he stood up to all of that and gave a disenfranchised segment of society a voice. To make matters worse we are witnessing the left and their partners in the legacy media double and triple down on it, all the while calling for unity.
Agree 100%
And [BLEEP] unity.. They had their chance..
(01-09-2021, 12:16 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You'd like to think somebody who served 14 years in the Air Force would have a little more common sense than to break the law by storming and rioting the Capitol...
She's a traitor, a criminal and she died for somebody who doesn't give two [BLEEP] about her. Talk about being brainwashed, but I guess that's usually what happens when you join a cult.
The most frustrating thing in conversations with people on the more liberal side of the spectrum is this. You folks continue to not understand that Trump is not the cause but a symptom. Look at what is happening in the wake of Wednesday’s events. Conservative platforms are being openly banned. This is nothing new, the left has been silencing conservatives for years. Disagree with an Obama policy-racist! Oppose abortion on demand-misogynist! Witness a democrat do some egregious act-observe silence from the legacy media or worse a blatant cover up. Trump was championed by the right because he stood up to all of that and gave a disenfranchised segment of society a voice. To make matters worse we are witnessing the left and their partners in the legacy media double and triple down on it, all the while calling for unity.
Naw don't put me with them either. I'm neutral in all of this. I don't have a dog in this fight because both sides are corrupt, lying, snakes. I don't support either. Neither side cares even a tiny bit about you, me, or any of us. They only care about themselves and it's been proven time and time again. They don't hesitate to throw each other under the bus, even when they're on the same side.
With that said, a lot of Trump followers are some of the most delusional people I've ever seen. It's honestly sad how much some of them worship the guy. That obviously can be said for both sides in some sense, but a lot of trumplers are a different story.
At the end of the day, both sides want us to be divided. It just gives them more power and we're much easier to be controlled that way. The american people are falling right into what the powers want. If we're all too busy hating/beating up each other, they can continue to slither around in the background and continue their corruption, which has been going on for far too long.
The problem is we keep fighting each other, when we should all be coming together to fight the power. But again, that is never going to happen because so many people are just going to continue too blindly eat up everything their "side" preaches, because they've all been told to despise the other side so much.
(01-09-2021, 12:16 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You'd like to think somebody who served 14 years in the Air Force would have a little more common sense than to break the law by storming and rioting the Capitol...
She's a traitor, a criminal and she died for somebody who doesn't give two [BLEEP] about her. Talk about being brainwashed, but I guess that's usually what happens when you join a cult.
The most frustrating thing in conversations with people on the more liberal side of the spectrum is this. You folks continue to not understand that Trump is not the cause but a symptom. Look at what is happening in the wake of Wednesday’s events. Conservative platforms are being openly banned. This is nothing new, the left has been silencing conservatives for years. Disagree with an Obama policy-racist! Oppose abortion on demand-misogynist! Witness a democrat do some egregious act-observe silence from the legacy media or worse a blatant cover up. Trump was championed by the right because he stood up to all of that and gave a disenfranchised segment of society a voice. To make matters worse we are witnessing the left and their partners in the legacy media double and triple down on it, all the while calling for unity.
Straight up facts. The hypocrisy of the media along with these tech companies banning conservatives is stifling freedom of speech. Worse, its silencing someone with whom they disagree. What the hell? So, people can't have a difference of opinion? People can't express their outrage? BLM and antifa expressed their 'outrage' all of 2020, not to mention the D politicians, and no one said a word.
Faux conservatives complaining about practices of private enterprise. Can I invite other people to come by and laugh at you people?
Edit to add: Do you folks need to be rescued by the fairness doctrine?