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Trevon Moehrig is my biggest draft crush defensively. I hope he lasts until 25. He would be an instant upgrade and be a starter for at least the next 10 years.

(04-27-2021, 10:20 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Trevon Moehrig is my biggest draft crush defensively. I hope he lasts until 25. He would be an instant upgrade and be a starter for at least the next 10 years.

I think he would be an instant upgrade and a good player for us.

(04-24-2021, 09:50 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Really want Toney. I'm pretty happy with our WR core, but feel like we could be getting a true play maker, someone who could make plays just by getting the ball in his hands.  Not sure how many times he gets out on the field during a game though, and if it wouldn't be better to draft someone who would play more snaps during a game.

I'm one of the few that don't see wide receiver as being a big need.  I think it's one of our strongest positions.  Even if a team has 6 wide receivers on the roster, they usually only activate 5 on game day.  I think D.J. Chark, Marvin Jones Jr. and Laviska Shenault makes a good starting trio.  I think Chark and Shenault will look much better with a good quarterback.  Jamal Agnew will also be activated due to his skills as a returner where he is a former first team all-pro.  That leaves Collin Johnson as the other active wide receiver.  If we draft someone early, we're pushing Johnson to being a game day inactive.  I would like to see if Johnson can develop.  Also, how much playing time would a draft pick at wide receiver get?  He would be sharing the position with Chark, Jones and Shenault.  Are we really wanting to send one of them to the bench?  Maybe I'm over-rating our existing wide receivers, but why not give it a year to find out?  We can't fix everything in one year, so why not start with positions where we know for a fact that we are weak?

I'm starting to get excited for Rondale Moore, perhaps at the top of Round 2 or later. This dude squats 600 pounds and benches 400. This explains his ability to break tackles from the defenders that are actually able to touch him. Play him as WR and Punt Returner. I would say KR as well but here are hardly any returned kickoffs anymore in the NFL

(04-28-2021, 02:09 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I'm starting to get excited for Rondale Moore, perhaps at the top of Round 2 or later.  This dude squats 600 pounds and benches 400.  This explains his ability to break tackles from the defenders that are actually able to touch him.   Play him as WR and Punt Returner.  I would say KR as well but here are hardly any returned kickoffs anymore in the NFL

He also graduated in 2.5 years. Dude is electric with the ball in his hands and I would also be extremely excited if he became a Jaguar.

(04-27-2021, 08:56 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2021, 09:50 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Really want Toney. I'm pretty happy with our WR core, but feel like we could be getting a true play maker, someone who could make plays just by getting the ball in his hands.  Not sure how many times he gets out on the field during a game though, and if it wouldn't be better to draft someone who would play more snaps during a game.

I'm one of the few that don't see wide receiver as being a big need.  I think it's one of our strongest positions.  Even if a team has 6 wide receivers on the roster, they usually only activate 5 on game day.  I think D.J. Chark, Marvin Jones Jr. and Laviska Shenault makes a good starting trio.  I think Chark and Shenault will look much better with a good quarterback.  Jamal Agnew will also be activated due to his skills as a returner where he is a former first team all-pro.  That leaves Collin Johnson as the other active wide receiver.  If we draft someone early, we're pushing Johnson to being a game day inactive.  I would like to see if Johnson can develop.  Also, how much playing time would a draft pick at wide receiver get?  He would be sharing the position with Chark, Jones and Shenault.  Are we really wanting to send one of them to the bench?  Maybe I'm over-rating our existing wide receivers, but why not give it a year to find out?  We can't fix everything in one year, so why not start with positions where we know for a fact that we are weak?

I agree with this. I would not consider WR at 25 unless the value is way off in favor of a WR. If for example Waddle falls to 25, then sure go for it. Toney or Moore are probably in a big group of prospects, many of which would be better need fits imo.

(04-28-2021, 02:34 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2021, 02:09 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I'm starting to get excited for Rondale Moore, perhaps at the top of Round 2 or later.  This dude squats 600 pounds and benches 400.  This explains his ability to break tackles from the defenders that are actually able to touch him.   Play him as WR and Punt Returner.  I would say KR as well but here are hardly any returned kickoffs anymore in the NFL

He also graduated in 2.5 years. Dude is electric with the ball in his hands and I would also be extremely excited if he became a Jaguar.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they take him in round 2. I doubt he's forgotten Moore catching 12 balls for 170 and 2 touchdowns in 2018. He certainly has the speed Urban wants. If he stays healthy, he'll be a great weapon in the NFL.

(04-28-2021, 04:23 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2021, 02:34 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]He also graduated in 2.5 years. Dude is electric with the ball in his hands and I would also be extremely excited if he became a Jaguar.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they take him in round 2. I doubt he's forgotten Moore catching 12 balls for 170 and 2 touchdowns in 2018. He certainly has the speed Urban wants. If he stays healthy, he'll be a great weapon in the NFL.

I think we come away with 1 of the Moore's or Toney in the draft and I'd be happy with any of the 3

(04-27-2021, 08:56 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2021, 09:50 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Really want Toney. I'm pretty happy with our WR core, but feel like we could be getting a true play maker, someone who could make plays just by getting the ball in his hands.  Not sure how many times he gets out on the field during a game though, and if it wouldn't be better to draft someone who would play more snaps during a game.

I'm one of the few that don't see wide receiver as being a big need.  I think it's one of our strongest positions.  Even if a team has 6 wide receivers on the roster, they usually only activate 5 on game day.  I think D.J. Chark, Marvin Jones Jr. and Laviska Shenault makes a good starting trio.  I think Chark and Shenault will look much better with a good quarterback.  Jamal Agnew will also be activated due to his skills as a returner where he is a former first team all-pro.  That leaves Collin Johnson as the other active wide receiver.  If we draft someone early, we're pushing Johnson to being a game day inactive.  I would like to see if Johnson can develop.  Also, how much playing time would a draft pick at wide receiver get?  He would be sharing the position with Chark, Jones and Shenault.  Are we really wanting to send one of them to the bench?  Maybe I'm over-rating our existing wide receivers, but why not give it a year to find out?  We can't fix everything in one year, so why not start with positions where we know for a fact that we are weak?

I think there are more than a few who don't see WR as a big need.  However, I seem to recall UM saying he wanted to add more speed to the WR room, which is why many of us-at least me) advocate for a WR in this draft.

(04-27-2021, 08:56 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2021, 09:50 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Really want Toney. I'm pretty happy with our WR core, but feel like we could be getting a true play maker, someone who could make plays just by getting the ball in his hands.  Not sure how many times he gets out on the field during a game though, and if it wouldn't be better to draft someone who would play more snaps during a game.

I'm one of the few that don't see wide receiver as being a big need.  I think it's one of our strongest positions.  Even if a team has 6 wide receivers on the roster, they usually only activate 5 on game day.  I think D.J. Chark, Marvin Jones Jr. and Laviska Shenault makes a good starting trio.  I think Chark and Shenault will look much better with a good quarterback.  Jamal Agnew will also be activated due to his skills as a returner where he is a former first team all-pro.  That leaves Collin Johnson as the other active wide receiver.  If we draft someone early, we're pushing Johnson to being a game day inactive.  I would like to see if Johnson can develop.  Also, how much playing time would a draft pick at wide receiver get?  He would be sharing the position with Chark, Jones and Shenault.  Are we really wanting to send one of them to the bench?  Maybe I'm over-rating our existing wide receivers, but why not give it a year to find out?  We can't fix everything in one year, so why not start with positions where we know for a fact that we are weak?

We aren't drafting for need, we are drafting for value and taking the best player, the right way to do it.  If a WR is at the top of our board when it's our pick we will take him

(04-28-2021, 05:01 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2021, 08:56 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm one of the few that don't see wide receiver as being a big need.  I think it's one of our strongest positions.  Even if a team has 6 wide receivers on the roster, they usually only activate 5 on game day.  I think D.J. Chark, Marvin Jones Jr. and Laviska Shenault makes a good starting trio.  I think Chark and Shenault will look much better with a good quarterback.  Jamal Agnew will also be activated due to his skills as a returner where he is a former first team all-pro.  That leaves Collin Johnson as the other active wide receiver.  If we draft someone early, we're pushing Johnson to being a game day inactive.  I would like to see if Johnson can develop.  Also, how much playing time would a draft pick at wide receiver get?  He would be sharing the position with Chark, Jones and Shenault.  Are we really wanting to send one of them to the bench?  Maybe I'm over-rating our existing wide receivers, but why not give it a year to find out?  We can't fix everything in one year, so why not start with positions where we know for a fact that we are weak?

I think there are more than a few who don't see WR as a big need.  However, I seem to recall UM saying he wanted to add more speed to the WR room, which is why many of us-at least me) advocate for a WR in this draft.

I'm not sure that I'm following.  You don't think it is a need but you think it is a need because Meyer does?  Meyer can't be wrong?

(04-28-2021, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2021, 08:56 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm one of the few that don't see wide receiver as being a big need.  I think it's one of our strongest positions.  Even if a team has 6 wide receivers on the roster, they usually only activate 5 on game day.  I think D.J. Chark, Marvin Jones Jr. and Laviska Shenault makes a good starting trio.  I think Chark and Shenault will look much better with a good quarterback.  Jamal Agnew will also be activated due to his skills as a returner where he is a former first team all-pro.  That leaves Collin Johnson as the other active wide receiver.  If we draft someone early, we're pushing Johnson to being a game day inactive.  I would like to see if Johnson can develop.  Also, how much playing time would a draft pick at wide receiver get?  He would be sharing the position with Chark, Jones and Shenault.  Are we really wanting to send one of them to the bench?  Maybe I'm over-rating our existing wide receivers, but why not give it a year to find out?  We can't fix everything in one year, so why not start with positions where we know for a fact that we are weak?

We aren't drafting for need, we are drafting for value and taking the best player, the right way to do it.  If a WR is at the top of our board when it's our pick we will take him

If it's purely a value pick, then I understand, although my general philosophy is that you should try to trade out of situations where need and value don't align.  That being said, I've seen plenty of people refer to wide receiver as a need or otherwise strongly imply it.  Plenty of people in this thread are listing wide receivers as players that would excite them.  I'm not overly excited when I have to settle for a non-need because there isn't value at the positions I wanted.

(04-28-2021, 07:15 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2021, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We aren't drafting for need, we are drafting for value and taking the best player, the right way to do it.  If a WR is at the top of our board when it's our pick we will take him

If it's purely a value pick, then I understand, although my general philosophy is that you should try to trade out of situations where need and value don't align.  That being said, I've seen plenty of people refer to wide receiver as a need or otherwise strongly imply it.  Plenty of people in this thread are listing wide receivers as players that would excite them.  I'm not overly excited when I have to settle for a non-need because there isn't value at the positions I wanted.

Every position on our team is a need outside if QB when we draft TLaw.  Center also isn't a need imo because Linder is signed through 2022.  Next year I would look at center if the value is there if not get one the following year. Drafting for need these coaches and GM won't have a job long, they are trying to keep their jobs and make a run at a SB in the near future

(04-28-2021, 07:08 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2021, 05:01 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I think there are more than a few who don't see WR as a big need.  However, I seem to recall UM saying he wanted to add more speed to the WR room, which is why many of us-at least me) advocate for a WR in this draft.

I'm not sure that I'm following.  You don't think it is a need but you think it is a need because Meyer does?  Meyer can't be wrong?

Of course he could be wrong.

However, he knows the personnel requirements of his offense better than I do.  In this case, I defer to his judgment on what he thinks his scheme requires.  That said, given his emphasis on speed, it's a mystery as to why they would sign Marvin Jones.  He's a good player, but I wouldn't consider him a speed guy.

Hopefully, I won't disagree with many of their decisions over the next few days.  Hopefully, whether I do or not, they get them all spectacularly right.

If he is there at 25  Kwity Paye

(04-28-2021, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2021, 08:56 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm one of the few that don't see wide receiver as being a big need.  I think it's one of our strongest positions.  Even if a team has 6 wide receivers on the roster, they usually only activate 5 on game day.  I think D.J. Chark, Marvin Jones Jr. and Laviska Shenault makes a good starting trio.  I think Chark and Shenault will look much better with a good quarterback.  Jamal Agnew will also be activated due to his skills as a returner where he is a former first team all-pro.  That leaves Collin Johnson as the other active wide receiver.  If we draft someone early, we're pushing Johnson to being a game day inactive.  I would like to see if Johnson can develop.  Also, how much playing time would a draft pick at wide receiver get?  He would be sharing the position with Chark, Jones and Shenault.  Are we really wanting to send one of them to the bench?  Maybe I'm over-rating our existing wide receivers, but why not give it a year to find out?  We can't fix everything in one year, so why not start with positions where we know for a fact that we are weak?

We aren't drafting for need, we are drafting for value and taking the best player, the right way to do it.  If a WR is at the top of our board when it's our pick we will take him

Every team drafts for both. And don't bother bringing up the Arians article because I've already seen it. EVERY team drafts both BAP and need.

There comes a point in the draft, especially after the first 2 rounds where guys are definitely lumped into tier groups. Having multiple guys on the board that you have graded in the same tier = need is definitely going to be a factor in the decision making. 

AKA, There's a WR and CB on the board that you like in the 3rd round and they have the same grades on them. CB is the bigger need though, so where do you think the team is going to lean? For the need of course.

What if round 2 starts on Friday and one of the QBs slid. Lets just say it's Trey Lance for this example (highly unlikely, but it's just an example). We already took Lawrence #1, but nobody seen Lance falling that far and we have him as the highest graded player on the board to start day 2. Do you take him just because it's your BAP? No, of course you don't. You try and work a trade or take somebody else. etc etc.

EDIT: You could use the above example for pick 25 etc, but the point remains.

Honestly, as long as the pick isn't RB, TE, or Toney I think it's going to be kind of hard for me to be disappointed with who we pick at 25. I like pretty much everyone else that has been mocked to us in that range.

EDIT: I guess I have seen Levi and Basham mocked to us once or twice recently too...both of those would make me sad.

(04-28-2021, 07:44 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]If he is there at 25  Kwity Paye

I like him...and he has a great story.  But I think I would prefer Ojulari in terms of pure pass rush ability.

Paye gives versatility and strength.

(04-28-2021, 08:14 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, as long as the pick isn't RB, TE, or Toney I think it's going to be kind of hard for me to be disappointed with who we pick at 25. I like pretty much everyone else that has been mocked to us in that range.

EDIT: I guess I have seen Levi and Basham mocked to us once or twice recently too...both of those would make me sad.

I already have myself ready to be very disappointed when a RB is drafted at 25 or 33 

(04-28-2021, 08:14 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, as long as the pick isn't RB, TE, or Toney I think it's going to be kind of hard for me to be disappointed with who we pick at 25. I like pretty much everyone else that has been mocked to us in that range.

EDIT: I guess I have seen Levi and Basham mocked to us once or twice recently too...both of those would make me sad.

Friermuth is absolutely worst case scenario at 25. I’d rather have Etienne at 25 than Friermuth.