(04-28-2021, 08:30 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 08:14 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, as long as the pick isn't RB, TE, or Toney I think it's going to be kind of hard for me to be disappointed with who we pick at 25. I like pretty much everyone else that has been mocked to us in that range.
EDIT: I guess I have seen Levi and Basham mocked to us once or twice recently too...both of those would make me sad.
Friermuth is absolutely worst case scenario at 25. I’d rather have Etienne at 25 than Friermuth.
Sure, Etienne is a good player who has the misfortune of playing the least important and most fungible position. Freiermuth is just blah while playing the second least important and most fungible position.
(04-28-2021, 08:47 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 08:40 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, Etienne is a good player who has the misfortune of playing the least important and most fungible position. Freiermuth is just blah while playing the second least important and most fungible position.
Do you not like Friermuth and Toney full stop, or just not that high. Why are people so low on Friermuth? Just the speed? I can’t think of a fast TE... where would you take Etienne if he fell? Does the Lawrence factor itself not make him a safer pick generally?
Etienne is a good player, but we just watched an UDFA RB be a top 5 RB in the league, in his rookie season with little to no help around him. Spending a 1st round pick on another RB is just not smart decision making when you have holes/needs basically everywhere on the team besides at RB.
This team is not a 1st round RB away from a Super Bowl. RBs can be found way later in the draft, as we see every year. Even in UDFA, as we just seen first hand. Taking a RB in the 1st round is a luxury pick and no 1-15 team has any business making a luxury pick.
(04-28-2021, 08:02 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We aren't drafting for need, we are drafting for value and taking the best player, the right way to do it. If a WR is at the top of our board when it's our pick we will take him
Every team drafts for both. And don't bother bringing up the Arians article because I've already seen it. EVERY team drafts both BAP and need.
There comes a point in the draft, especially after the first 2 rounds where guys are definitely lumped into tier groups. Having multiple guys on the board that you have graded in the same tier = need is definitely going to be a factor in the decision making.
AKA, There's a WR and CB on the board that you like in the 3rd round and they have the same grades on them. CB is the bigger need though, so where do you think the team is going to lean? For the need of course.
What if round 2 starts on Friday and one of the QBs slid. Lets just say it's Trey Lance for this example (highly unlikely, but it's just an example). We already took Lawrence #1, but nobody seen Lance falling that far and we have him as the highest graded player on the board to start day 2. Do you take him just because it's your BAP? No, of course you don't. You try and work a trade or take somebody else. etc etc.
EDIT: You could use the above example for pick 25 etc, but the point remains.
Lol, it's funny people still has to explain this [BLEEP] to you but if you have a couple players at the top of your board and you have the same grade on them and you take the one that is biggest need you are still taking BAP. Sometimes best available player meets need which is great. Also if you are a BAP drafter you can still make trades. It doesn't mean you can't make trades. On Arians, I don't have to quote him, just go watch the Baalke interview, our new GM. He said the same thing, if you draft for need you won't have a job for long and I'm sure he wants to keep his job
(04-28-2021, 08:47 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 08:40 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, Etienne is a good player who has the misfortune of playing the least important and most fungible position. Freiermuth is just blah while playing the second least important and most fungible position.
Do you not like Friermuth and Toney full stop, or just not that high. Why are people so low on Friermuth? Just the speed? I can’t think of a fast TE... where would you take Etienne if he fell? Does the Lawrence factor itself not make him a safer pick generally?
I just don't think Freiermuth is special in any way. He is living off the baby Gronk nickname and oh we hired his position coach theories. He is not a great blocker, he is not a plus athlete, and I don't think he's a good scheme fit. His hands are very solid I'll give him that. I think in most drafts he's like TE5 and he is getting pushed up this year because this class after Pitts is so bad. I wouldn't take Freiermuth until after our pick at 65. There will be many better players on the board at all times until we go on the clock at 106, in which case I'm sure he'll be long gone.
I don't hate Toney, but I don't think he is a top 6 or 7 WR in this class either. He's just too raw, too limited, and will require too much scheming. He doesn't do virtually anything past the line of scrimmage that is NFL quality. I worry that the crazy just makes his defender miss or just keeps his balance after getting hit will be not quite enough vs 11 NFL caliber players. I don't see anything he does that Rondale Moore doesn't do better. I would take him with pick 65.
Probably the same answer for Etienne, I would take him at pick 65. I like pretty much everything about him except that he is a running back. Using a valuable top 50 pick on a running back when we just proved that you can find a quality one late would be horrible opportunity cost. Not to mention we're a bad team and by time we're good it'll be almost time to give Etienne his big second contract, and we've seen how that is a really bad idea 99% of the time. Just draft someone like Chris Evans in the 5th round to be a tandem partner with Robinson and call it a day.
(04-28-2021, 09:47 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 08:47 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]Do you not like Friermuth and Toney full stop, or just not that high. Why are people so low on Friermuth? Just the speed? I can’t think of a fast TE... where would you take Etienne if he fell? Does the Lawrence factor itself not make him a safer pick generally?
I just don't think Freiermuth is special in any way. He is living off the baby Gronk nickname and oh we hired his position coach theories. He is not a great blocker, he is not a plus athlete, and I don't think he's a good scheme fit. His hands are very solid I'll give him that. I think in most drafts he's like TE5 and he is getting pushed up this year because this class after Pitts is so bad. I wouldn't take Freiermuth until after our pick at 65. There will be many better players on the board at all times until we go on the clock at 106, in which case I'm sure he'll be long gone.
I don't hate Toney, but I don't think he is a top 6 or 7 WR in this class either. He's just too raw, too limited, and will require too much scheming. He doesn't do virtually anything past the line of scrimmage that is NFL quality. I worry that the crazy just makes his defender miss or just keeps his balance after getting hit will be not quite enough vs 11 NFL caliber players. I don't see anything he does that Rondale Moore doesn't do better. I would take him with pick 65.
Probably the same answer for Etienne, I would take him at pick 65. I like pretty much everything about him except that he is a running back. Using a valuable top 50 pick on a running back when we just proved that you can find a quality one late would be horrible opportunity cost. Not to mention we're a bad team and by time we're good it'll be almost time to give Etienne his big second contract, and we've seen how that is a really bad idea 99% of the time. Just draft someone like Chris Evans in the 5th round to be a tandem partner with Robinson and call it a day.
James Robinson is gonna carry the load all year so just give me anybody to get in there and block or run dummy routes for a play and then get back off the field.
(04-28-2021, 09:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 08:02 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Every team drafts for both. And don't bother bringing up the Arians article because I've already seen it. EVERY team drafts both BAP and need.
There comes a point in the draft, especially after the first 2 rounds where guys are definitely lumped into tier groups. Having multiple guys on the board that you have graded in the same tier = need is definitely going to be a factor in the decision making.
AKA, There's a WR and CB on the board that you like in the 3rd round and they have the same grades on them. CB is the bigger need though, so where do you think the team is going to lean? For the need of course.
What if round 2 starts on Friday and one of the QBs slid. Lets just say it's Trey Lance for this example (highly unlikely, but it's just an example). We already took Lawrence #1, but nobody seen Lance falling that far and we have him as the highest graded player on the board to start day 2. Do you take him just because it's your BAP? No, of course you don't. You try and work a trade or take somebody else. etc etc.
EDIT: You could use the above example for pick 25 etc, but the point remains.
Lol, it's funny people still has to explain this [BLEEP] to you but if you have a couple players at the top of your board and you have the same grade on them and you take the one that is biggest need you are still taking BAP. Sometimes best available player meets need which is great. Also if you are a BAP drafter you can still make trades. It doesn't mean you can't make trades. On Arians, I don't have to quote him, just go watch the Baalke interview, our new GM. He said the same thing, if you draft for need you won't have a job for long and I'm sure he wants to keep his job
Trust me, you aren't explaining anything to me. You're the one who's stuck in the BAP vs need loop. I'm trying to help you out.
And I'll pass on watching Baalke talk. His words don't mean much to me. I want to see results, not listen to words. His previous draft history isn't really any good, so I'm certainly not putting my hopes in him. We all know this is Urban's show anyways. And of course he is saying the same coach speak. "we want the best player, best value etc etc etc". The point is that needs definitely play a part in the factor and it's not as cut and dry as "just take the best player".
(04-28-2021, 10:06 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 09:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, it's funny people still has to explain this [BLEEP] to you but if you have a couple players at the top of your board and you have the same grade on them and you take the one that is biggest need you are still taking BAP. Sometimes best available player meets need which is great. Also if you are a BAP drafter you can still make trades. It doesn't mean you can't make trades. On Arians, I don't have to quote him, just go watch the Baalke interview, our new GM. He said the same thing, if you draft for need you won't have a job for long and I'm sure he wants to keep his job
Trust me, you aren't explaining anything to me. You're the one who's stuck in the BAP vs need loop. I'm trying to help you out.
And I'll pass on watching Baalke talk. His words don't mean much to me. I want to see results, not listen to words. His previous draft history isn't really any good, so I'm certainly not putting my hopes in him. We all know this is Urban's show anyways. And of course he is saying the same coach speak. "we want the best player, best value etc etc etc". The point is that needs definitely play a part in the factor and it's not as cut and dry as "just take the best player".
Lol, I just did explain it to you but you have a hard time understanding as usual. It's not all coaches speak, some GMs say they like to draft for need. You say don't use Arians quote then I tell you what our new GM and Urban says but you obviously think they are lying. I don't know why they would lie about explaining the right way to draft and have success which is value and BAP drafting instead of drafting for needs. Its Urbans show but it was a collective effort when making the board and regardless if we make the right pick or not they will trust their board and pick the top player on their board, hopefully their player evaluations are right
(04-28-2021, 10:31 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 10:06 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Trust me, you aren't explaining anything to me. You're the one who's stuck in the BAP vs need loop. I'm trying to help you out.
And I'll pass on watching Baalke talk. His words don't mean much to me. I want to see results, not listen to words. His previous draft history isn't really any good, so I'm certainly not putting my hopes in him. We all know this is Urban's show anyways. And of course he is saying the same coach speak. "we want the best player, best value etc etc etc". The point is that needs definitely play a part in the factor and it's not as cut and dry as "just take the best player".
Lol, I just did explain it to you but you have a hard time understanding as usual. It's not all coaches speak, some GMs say they like to draft for need. You say don't use Arians quote then I tell you what our new GM and Urban says but you obviously think they are lying. I don't know why they would lie about explaining the right way to draft and have success which is value and BAP drafting instead of drafting for needs. Its Urbans show but it was a collective effort when making the board and regardless if we make the right pick or not they will trust their board and pick the top player on their board, hopefully their player evaluations are right
You're the only one having a hard time understanding bud. This team and every other team uses both BAP and need. It's never simply "just take the best player", because it's never that cut and dry. The people making the decisions/opinions in that scouting department and front office, who are way above our pay grade will always have differing opinions. Which is why you can't just look at it as "just take the best player".
Also, the same goes for Urban as it does Baalke. Except at least Baalke has been in the NFL. Urban hasn't done anything in the NFL. I want to see results, not listen to words, especially from somebody who is just now learning the ropes, as he all but said himself.
At the end of the day, we'll all be questioning picks over the next 3 days regardless. Some will say good things, some will say bad things, some will think there were better players on the board at said pick/s, AKA BAP etc etc. The point is nobody will know who the BAP was until 3 years from now anyways when we're all playing the hindsight is 20/20 game and saying we should have drafted x y and z instead.
(04-28-2021, 11:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 10:31 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, I just did explain it to you but you have a hard time understanding as usual. It's not all coaches speak, some GMs say they like to draft for need. You say don't use Arians quote then I tell you what our new GM and Urban says but you obviously think they are lying. I don't know why they would lie about explaining the right way to draft and have success which is value and BAP drafting instead of drafting for needs. Its Urbans show but it was a collective effort when making the board and regardless if we make the right pick or not they will trust their board and pick the top player on their board, hopefully their player evaluations are right
You're the only one having a hard time understanding bud. This team and every other team uses both BAP and need. It's never simply "just take the best player", because it's never that cut and dry. The people making the decisions/opinions in that scouting department and front office, who are way above our pay grade will always have differing opinions. Which is why you can't just look at it as "just take the best player".
Also, the same goes for Urban as it does Baalke. Except at least Baalke has been in the NFL. Urban hasn't done anything in the NFL. I want to see results, not listen to words, especially from somebody who is just now learning the ropes, as he all but said himself.
At the end of the day, we'll all be questioning picks over the next 3 days regardless. Some will say good things, some will say bad things, some will think there were better players on the board at said pick/s, AKA BAP etc etc. The point is nobody will know who the BAP was until 3 years from now anyways when we're all playing the hindsight is 20/20 game and saying we should have drafted x y and z instead.
Lol, you still don't understand and I'm not sure if you ever will. BAP drafting is taking the top player on your board instead of reaching for need. For 100th time there is rare instances you don't take the top guy on your board, you have to use common sense. But its irrelevant who the best player is 3 years down the road. It's just the draft tragedy you implement. Some teams reach for need, the successful ones take the top guy on their board if their player evaluations are right and you trust your board. If you don't trust your board then what are you doing? You don't have to believe Meyer, Baalke, Arians, Newsome and multiple GMs when they say to take the BAP but it's how to be successful in this league.if your player evaluations are on
(04-29-2021, 05:02 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 11:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You're the only one having a hard time understanding bud. This team and every other team uses both BAP and need. It's never simply "just take the best player", because it's never that cut and dry. The people making the decisions/opinions in that scouting department and front office, who are way above our pay grade will always have differing opinions. Which is why you can't just look at it as "just take the best player".
Also, the same goes for Urban as it does Baalke. Except at least Baalke has been in the NFL. Urban hasn't done anything in the NFL. I want to see results, not listen to words, especially from somebody who is just now learning the ropes, as he all but said himself.
At the end of the day, we'll all be questioning picks over the next 3 days regardless. Some will say good things, some will say bad things, some will think there were better players on the board at said pick/s, AKA BAP etc etc. The point is nobody will know who the BAP was until 3 years from now anyways when we're all playing the hindsight is 20/20 game and saying we should have drafted x y and z instead.
Lol, you still don't understand and I'm not sure if you ever will. BAP drafting is taking the top player on your board instead of reaching for need. For 100th time there is rare instances you don't take the top guy on your board, you have to use common sense. But its irrelevant who the best player is 3 years down the road. It's just the draft tragedy you implement. Some teams reach for need, the successful ones take the top guy on their board if their player evaluations are right and you trust your board. If you don't trust your board then what are you doing? You don't have to believe Meyer, Baalke, Arians, Newsome and multiple GMs when they say to take the BAP but it's how to be successful in this league.if your player evaluations are on
Here's the way I would do it, and I would bet this is the way most teams do it. When you stack your board, you start with a pure ranking of the players, then you add in positional value, then you add in an extra value for need. Because what you are trying to get is not only the best player, but also, the player who can help you the most over the next several years.
So your board represents a blend of all three factors- pure BAP, plus positional value, plus need. Then you can pick the player at the top of your board, no matter what. You certainly don't want to draft a player who will never get on the field, no matter how good he is. The true value of a player is in how much that player can help you win, not just how great a player he is.
Of course, you have to factor in if you can trade down and still get the player you want, but if you cannot trade down, then take the player at the top of your board. But that ranking has to factor in need and positional value as well as just pure BAP.
(04-29-2021, 06:01 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 05:02 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, you still don't understand and I'm not sure if you ever will. BAP drafting is taking the top player on your board instead of reaching for need. For 100th time there is rare instances you don't take the top guy on your board, you have to use common sense. But its irrelevant who the best player is 3 years down the road. It's just the draft tragedy you implement. Some teams reach for need, the successful ones take the top guy on their board if their player evaluations are right and you trust your board. If you don't trust your board then what are you doing? You don't have to believe Meyer, Baalke, Arians, Newsome and multiple GMs when they say to take the BAP but it's how to be successful in this league.if your player evaluations are on
Here's the way I would do it, and I would bet this is the way most teams do it. When you stack your board, you start with a pure ranking of the players, then you add in positional value, then you add in an extra value for need. Because what you are trying to get is not only the best player, but also, the player who can help you the most over the next several years.
So your board represents a blend of all three factors- pure BAP, plus positional value, plus need. Then you can pick the player at the top of your board, no matter what. You certainly don't want to draft a player who will never get on the field, no matter how good he is. The true value of a player is in how much that player can help you win, not just how great a player he is.
Of course, you have to factor in if you can trade down and still get the player you want, but if you cannot trade down, then take the player at the top of your board. But that ranking has to factor in need and positional value as well as just pure BAP.
Im sure some do, the teams that pick early every year like we have in the past. Teams set up their boards differently. Needs should be a seperate list, as I remember Meyer stating in one of interviews that they were go list their needs 1 through whatever. As Baalke stated, you mixing need with BAP is when you get yourself in trouble, sounds like a guy who knows first hand and has made that mistake and has learned from it. Some think they are lying about their draft approach but I'll don't see why they would, it's not like they are throwing out names to trick people, Meyer has been pretty honest so far in his approach and I have seen no reason to lie up to this point
(04-28-2021, 02:09 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I'm starting to get excited for Rondale Moore, perhaps at the top of Round 2 or later. This dude squats 600 pounds and benches 400. This explains his ability to break tackles from the defenders that are actually able to touch him. Play him as WR and Punt Returner. I would say KR as well but here are hardly any returned kickoffs anymore in the NFL
Agnew has 4PR and 1KO return touchdown in four seasons. I think we already signed our Rondale.
(04-28-2021, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 08:56 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm one of the few that don't see wide receiver as being a big need. I think it's one of our strongest positions. Even if a team has 6 wide receivers on the roster, they usually only activate 5 on game day. I think D.J. Chark, Marvin Jones Jr. and Laviska Shenault makes a good starting trio. I think Chark and Shenault will look much better with a good quarterback. Jamal Agnew will also be activated due to his skills as a returner where he is a former first team all-pro. That leaves Collin Johnson as the other active wide receiver. If we draft someone early, we're pushing Johnson to being a game day inactive. I would like to see if Johnson can develop. Also, how much playing time would a draft pick at wide receiver get? He would be sharing the position with Chark, Jones and Shenault. Are we really wanting to send one of them to the bench? Maybe I'm over-rating our existing wide receivers, but why not give it a year to find out? We can't fix everything in one year, so why not start with positions where we know for a fact that we are weak?
We aren't drafting for need, we are drafting for value and taking the best player, the right way to do it. If a WR is at the top of our board when it's our pick we will take him
Until we see the picks, and who we pass on when those picks are made, you can't say that. I don't care what is said in any presser, the proof is what we will see this weekend.
(04-29-2021, 08:31 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 02:09 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I'm starting to get excited for Rondale Moore, perhaps at the top of Round 2 or later. This dude squats 600 pounds and benches 400. This explains his ability to break tackles from the defenders that are actually able to touch him. Play him as WR and Punt Returner. I would say KR as well but here are hardly any returned kickoffs anymore in the NFL
Agnew has 4PR and 1KO return touchdown in four seasons. I think we already signed our Rondale.
(04-28-2021, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We aren't drafting for need, we are drafting for value and taking the best player, the right way to do it. If a WR is at the top of our board when it's our pick we will take him
Until we see the picks, and who we pass on when those picks are made, you can't say that. I don't care what is said in any presser, the proof is what we will see this weekend.
Even when we see the picks, that says no proof because we won't know what the board looks like. I'm just going to take them for their word, I see no reason for them to lie about how they go about the draft the right way because they are not going to let anyone see their board. You can think they are lying if you want.
(04-28-2021, 09:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 08:02 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Every team drafts for both. And don't bother bringing up the Arians article because I've already seen it. EVERY team drafts both BAP and need.
There comes a point in the draft, especially after the first 2 rounds where guys are definitely lumped into tier groups. Having multiple guys on the board that you have graded in the same tier = need is definitely going to be a factor in the decision making.
AKA, There's a WR and CB on the board that you like in the 3rd round and they have the same grades on them. CB is the bigger need though, so where do you think the team is going to lean? For the need of course.
What if round 2 starts on Friday and one of the QBs slid. Lets just say it's Trey Lance for this example (highly unlikely, but it's just an example). We already took Lawrence #1, but nobody seen Lance falling that far and we have him as the highest graded player on the board to start day 2. Do you take him just because it's your BAP? No, of course you don't. You try and work a trade or take somebody else. etc etc.
EDIT: You could use the above example for pick 25 etc, but the point remains.
Lol, it's funny people still has to explain this [BLEEP] to you but if you have a couple players at the top of your board and you have the same grade on them and you take the one that is biggest need you are still taking BAP. Sometimes best available player meets need which is great. Also if you are a BAP drafter you can still make trades. It doesn't mean you can't make trades. On Arians, I don't have to quote him, just go watch the Baalke interview, our new GM. He said the same thing, if you draft for need you won't have a job for long and I'm sure he wants to keep his job
The equine carcass is dust. You can stop beating it.
(04-29-2021, 05:02 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2021, 11:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You're the only one having a hard time understanding bud. This team and every other team uses both BAP and need. It's never simply "just take the best player", because it's never that cut and dry. The people making the decisions/opinions in that scouting department and front office, who are way above our pay grade will always have differing opinions. Which is why you can't just look at it as "just take the best player".
Also, the same goes for Urban as it does Baalke. Except at least Baalke has been in the NFL. Urban hasn't done anything in the NFL. I want to see results, not listen to words, especially from somebody who is just now learning the ropes, as he all but said himself.
At the end of the day, we'll all be questioning picks over the next 3 days regardless. Some will say good things, some will say bad things, some will think there were better players on the board at said pick/s, AKA BAP etc etc. The point is nobody will know who the BAP was until 3 years from now anyways when we're all playing the hindsight is 20/20 game and saying we should have drafted x y and z instead.
Lol, you still don't understand and I'm not sure if you ever will. BAP drafting is taking the top player on your board instead of reaching for need. For 100th time there is rare instances you don't take the top guy on your board, you have to use common sense. But its irrelevant who the best player is 3 years down the road. It's just the draft tragedy you implement. Some teams reach for need, the successful ones take the top guy on their board if their player evaluations are right and you trust your board. If you don't trust your board then what are you doing? You don't have to believe Meyer, Baalke, Arians, Newsome and multiple GMs when they say to take the BAP but it's how to be successful in this league.if your player evaluations are on
I just love love love that your original response included your previous post with this gem:
Quote:they will trust their board and pick the top player on their board, hopefully their player evaluations are right
The juxtaposition with your follow up is :chef's kiss:
I honestly feel we are saying the same thing. Just one school is calling it blorps and the other wants to call it floops. In the end, it's just darft, and always has been.
Think of pressers this way - no (sane) GM is ever going to come out and say "I refuse to take the best player available when our pick comes up if I can take someone else at a position of greater need." Even after the pick is made, they are going to either discount the position of the more talented player or overvalue the position of need in the face of less talent, and by doing so create a scenario where the player they choose is
in their eyes the best option at that time.
Why is that so hard to grasp? We should all know floops when we see them at this point.
(04-29-2021, 08:58 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 08:52 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I just love love love that your original response included your previous post with this gem:
The juxtaposition with your follow up is :chef's kiss:
I honestly feel we are saying the same thing. Just one school is calling it blorps and the other wants to call it floops. In the end, it's just darft, and always has been.
Think of pressers this way - no (sane) GM is ever going to come out and say "I refuse to take the best player available when our pick comes up if I can take someone else at a position of greater need." Even after the pick is made, they are going to either discount the position of the more talented player or overvalue the position of need in the face of less talent, and by doing so create a scenario where the player they choose is in their eyes the best option at that time.
Why is that so hard to grasp? We should all know floops when we see them at this point.
Big Blorps guy here.
I've said for year that these Floop pushers are ruining our country.
(04-29-2021, 08:52 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 05:02 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, you still don't understand and I'm not sure if you ever will. BAP drafting is taking the top player on your board instead of reaching for need. For 100th time there is rare instances you don't take the top guy on your board, you have to use common sense. But its irrelevant who the best player is 3 years down the road. It's just the draft tragedy you implement. Some teams reach for need, the successful ones take the top guy on their board if their player evaluations are right and you trust your board. If you don't trust your board then what are you doing? You don't have to believe Meyer, Baalke, Arians, Newsome and multiple GMs when they say to take the BAP but it's how to be successful in this league.if your player evaluations are on
I just love love love that your original response included your previous post with this gem:
Quote:they will trust their board and pick the top player on their board, hopefully their player evaluations are right
The juxtaposition with your follow up is :chef's kiss:
I honestly feel we are saying the same thing. Just one school is calling it blorps and the other wants to call it floops. In the end, it's just darft, and always has been.
Think of pressers this way - no (sane) GM is ever going to come out and say "I refuse to take the best player available when our pick comes up if I can take someone else at a position of greater need." Even after the pick is made, they are going to either discount the position of the more talented player or overvalue the position of need in the face of less talent, and by doing so create a scenario where the player they choose is in their eyes the best option at that time.
Why is that so hard to grasp? We should all know floops when we see them at this point.
Was RB a need? Or do you think that was the top player on their board? That looks like a pure BAP pick to me
(04-24-2021, 08:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The following would excite me:
25: Kadarius Toney
33: Travis Etienne
45: Pat Friermuth
I know that would be sort of like eating a cheeseburger instead of the healthy salad I ought to be eating, but that combination of picks would excite me.
Replying to my own post. Yes, I am excited about this pick. I was thinking 33, but when Najee Harris went off the board, Etienne could have been next. So to pull the trigger at 25 is okay with me.