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Has Ramsey pressed anyone at the LOS yet? Watching the Chargers I just kept wondering why our 6"1 Corner wasnt bullying Travis Benjamin

Quote:Has Ramsey pressed anyone at the LOS yet? Watching the Chargers I just kept wondering why our 6"1 Corner wasnt bullying Travis Benjamin

 

Yeah he did several times against GB, not so sure about SD.

Quote:Its a scheme that every team in the league knows how to beat fairly easily. Its probably the simplest scheme in the NFL , its effective in Seattle because they have multiple all pros at a few spots. While yes the execution isn't there , the players are being put in bad spots due to the scheme.

I have to go along with this. It's a good scheme only if you have enough 'all-pro' level players and those players are in the right positions to be useful. I guess this is an example of the HC 'sticking with his guns' even when it's obvious to everyone that we don't have the players on our defense to make it work. We do have good players on our defense... but not the one's needed to make the modified 'Seattle' defense work here. Clearly a case of trying to make the square peg fit into the round hole instead of finding a round peg or cut a square hole.

 

And why is this so? Maybe it's a reluctance to move away from what he had success with in Seattle. Maybe he's just stubborn. Maybe he just doesn't know how to run anything else. Maybe he refuses to change because it would be an admission that he was wrong and his pride keeps him from doing so. Maybe because he keeps hoping to get the personnel to run his defense scheme but Dave can't get what isn't available. Or maybe we do have adequate personnel to run the scheme but they just haven't learned it very well yet. We don't know.

 

What we can pretty well count on though is that if this issue isn't fixed quick then achieving at least an 8-8 season is not going to happen and Gus can say goodbye to coaching in Jacksonville.

Quote:I have to go along with this. It's a good scheme only if you have enough 'all-pro' level players and those players are in the right positions to be useful. I guess this is an example of the HC 'sticking with his guns' even when it's obvious to everyone that we don't have the players on our defense to make it work. We do have good players on our defense... but not the one's needed to make the modified 'Seattle' defense work here. Clearly a case of trying to make the square peg fit into the round hole instead of finding a round peg or cut a square hole.

 

And why is this so? Maybe it's a reluctance to move away from what he had success with in Seattle. Maybe he's just stubborn. Maybe he just doesn't know how to run anything else. Maybe he refuses to change because it would be an admission that he was wrong and his pride keeps him from doing so. Maybe because he keeps hoping to get the personnel to run his defense scheme but Dave can't get what isn't available. Or maybe we do have adequate personnel to run the scheme but they just haven't learned it very well yet. We don't know.

 

What we can pretty well count on though is that if this issue isn't fixed quick then achieving at least an 8-8 season is not going to happen and Gus can say goodbye to coaching in Jacksonville.

 

This is the part that confuses me. You would have to think that no matter what he's being told by higher ups, that he has to have this in his mind as the year goes on and would be changing anything and everything he can to make his job safe.

Quote:This is the part that confuses me. You would have to think that no matter what he's being told by higher ups, that he has to have this in his mind as the year goes on and would be changing anything and everything he can to make his job safe.

 

problem is, this may  be the only way he knows how to coach.  he is staying true to who he is and what he believes.  problem is, it probably won't work

Quote:Should also be noted that this is the first time Wash has been calling plays in the NFL. Not an easy thing to get the hang of right off the bat.

 

Yup. He was schooled by a veteran QB.

why are we always the training program for NFL noobs? 

Quote:why are we always the training program for NFL noobs? 

 

Part cost and part look who our head coach is right now.

Quote:This, it's actually quite simple, any "zone based scheme" (cover 2, Tampa 2, cover 3) is going to get picked apart by the most average of QB's if you can't get home with 4, you don't necessarily have to "rack up sacks" but it's important to at least effect the QB, make him uncomfortable and force the ball to come out quick. 

 

Rivers got rid of the ball pretty darn quick on a lot of plays that were still very effective against this defense.  

(Just like Brady did vs. Seattle the past two times they met) The underneath short stuff is a vulnerability too often.

 

I agree that the scheme needs consistent pressure to work of course, but it's more broken than just that.

 

Yes, more speed at LB will help but they also need to be able to get aligned without resembling a three stooges routine just before the snap. 

 

In San Diego when they sent out a bunch to one side Poz, Cyp and Ramsey were like:



 

....and Telvin was over there spying the RB like:

 



 

OOOOooo, let me at 'em, let me at 'em. 

#8 in passing yards allowed

Tied for #15 in sacks

Quote:#8 in passing yards allowed

Tied for #15 in sacks

 

#28 in points allowed per game.

Quote:#8 in passing yards allowed

Tied for #15 in sacks

 

This stat is misleading, they played well against the Packers but there was absolutely no reason for Rivers to continue to dice up this defense last Sunday, the game was over midway through the 2nd quarter.

Quote:#28 in points allowed per game.

 

This as well

Quote:#8 in passing yards allowed

Tied for #15 in sacks

Stats are fun. What's the Jags record? Record over the past 4 years?


Cool. thanks

i will say early on, the defense got after the QB. were Chris Clemons and Andre Branch really that good?  What happened to Marks? 

Quote:problem is, this may  be the only way he knows how to coach.  he is staying true to who he is and what he believes.  problem is, it probably won't work

 

Yeah I saw that part in the post I was responding to but I just still don't get that, even if it's only what he knows then why not try stuff that almost everyone is saying like put Jack opposite Telvin and forgot the scheme he's trying to run. If it doesn't work, he's getting fired either way but "smart" people usually figure out ways around their deficiencies. Guess I'm thinking too much into it though. 

Quote:This, it's actually quite simple, any "zone based scheme" (cover 2, Tampa 2, cover 3) is going to get picked apart by the most average of QB's if you can't get home with 4, you don't necessarily have to "rack up sacks" but it's important to at least effect the QB, make him uncomfortable and force the ball to come out quick. The Jaguars don't have the personnel on the defensive line to run Gus's "scheme" effectively, it renders it useless if you can't effect the QB with 4 down linemen. Gus is simply too stubborn and lacks the requisite creativity to do anything different, the Jaguars (because of it's lack of pass rushers) are better off playing a defensive scheme similar to Arizona, James Bettcher (Cardinals d-coordinator) recognized his defenses inefficiencies last year in the pass rush department, so he decided to adjust. First by bringing more SPEED to the field by (unorthodoxically) moving their young SS (Deon Buccannon) into a hybrid Mike-linebacker role, he then decided to play man PRESS coverage across the board while blitzing on obvious passing situations.


This move has played huge dividends as its successfully masked their pass rush ineffectiveness, the Jaguars defense is actually built similar to the Cardinals in terms of personnel. Both teams are usually stout against the run (this creates more 3rd and longs), both have good secondaries, and both teams have the required defensive speed (although the Jaguars for some reason refuse to utilize one of its best defensive weapons by keeping Myles Jack on the bench) to disrupt the timing of opposing offenses. When the Jaguars failed to add a veteran edge rusher this off-season, Gus should've immediately adjusted his scheme to fit it's personnel, they're essentially relying on 2 rookies to bring pressure off the edge, history tells us that this strategy is all for naught as rookie edge rushers RARELY generate consistent pressure.


This won't happen, but I'd like to see Jonathan Cyrpien moved into a hybrid Mike-linebacker role similar to Deon Buccanon, our starting linebackers should be Telvin, Cyrpien, and Jack (that's a fast core). On obvious passing situations we should play man press coverage across the board while blitzing, forcing the QB to get rid of the ball QUICK. Davon House, Prince, Jalen, (and when he eventually returns) Aaron Colvin is an impressive and deep group of corners, all of those guys have the ability to hold up in coverage for 2-3 seconds. We need to get exotic in our blitz packages which should free up Yannick, Dante, and Malik, or at a minimum give them one on one pass rush opportunities. The Jaguars have 3 Swiss army knives on its defense in Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, and Dante Fowler, I'm willing bet most D-coordinators would salivate at the opportunity to maximize the skill-set of all these players, it's a shame we have a guy in Gus Bradley that doesn't possess the creativity to utilize these players all at once. This defensive scheme that I'm suggesting isn't perfect, but (imo) its better solution than what we have right now, this defense needs more speed and needs to be more aggressive in its "attempts" to effect opposing QB's.

Post if the day. Bravo my good friend. Well done.

Quote:#8 in passing yards allowed

Tied for #15 in sacks

 

Our defense rises to the occasion when we're down by 28 points or more and the opponent attempts to run out the final 20 minutes.

Serious question, would have the talent to run a 3-4 scheme? I hear a a lot of people suggesting the switch.


If Wade Philips came in here and lined us up like Denver, how much more successful would we be?

Quote:Serious question, would have the talent to run a 3-4 scheme? I hear a a lot of people suggesting the switch.


If Wade Philips came in here and lined us up like Denver, how much more successful would we be?

 

I like the 3-4 but you really need a run plugger in the middle.  I don't think we have that 330+ pound dude.