(05-02-2021, 11:56 AM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2021, 12:45 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
25. Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State
33. Trevon Moehrig, S, TCU
45. Pat Freiermuth, TE, PSU
65. Joseph Ossai, Edge, Texas
106. Jabril Cox, LB LSU
130. Kenneth Gainwell, RB, Memphis
145. Daviyon Nixon, DL, Iowa
170. Trey Smith, OG, Tenn
249. Jermar Jefferson, RB, Oregon State
This is the best list I've seen posted so far. Not sure we need another RB at 249, but that late in the draft it's all a toss of the coin anyway.
I will say that I spent the most time trying to make a decision on the last pick and it is the one that I feel least strongly about. Let me give my reasoning at the time. First, I thought I should pick among the players who got drafted. If it's an undrafted free agent, you may be able to get him anyway. Don't pay for what you can get for free. At this spot, there were only 10 players from which to select. Second, my strategy with seventh round picks is to ask the question "Who is most likely to make the team?". If you draft a player and he gets cut, then the value meant nothing. The Jaguars focused heavily on depth in the off-season. Look at a Jaguars 53 man depth chart after plugging in the players I selected. It's hard to find a late 7th rounder that would make the team. I'm not sure Jefferson would either, but I felt our fourth string running back position was one of the positions with the best odds.
(05-02-2021, 01:26 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Lol Freiermuth instead of Little/Cosmi/Radunz? Very funny.
You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. You don't have to be disrespectful about it. While I like the players you mentioned, I considered tight end a much bigger need at this point considering that my scenario already had us taking Teven Jenkins. The second best tight end in the draft was available and IMO, there's a drop-off to the third tight end. Additionally, if we did go offensive line at 45 and then tight end at 65, that would mean bypassing my pick of Ossai at 65 who I really like. I would prefer Freiermuth & Ossai versus o-line again & Hunter Long and then having to wait until Day 3 of the draft to find a desperately needed edge rusher. The latter scenario would have made us weaker at 2 of our 5 biggest need positions. I prefer my original scenario.
1. Trevor Lawrence, QB Clemson
25. Teven Jenkins OT Oklahoma State
33. Trevon Moehrig FS TCU
45. Jeremiah Owusu Koramoah SS Notre Dame
65. Quinn Meinerz OG Wisconsin-Whitewater
106. Michael Carter RB North Carolina State
130. Brevin Jordan TE Miami
145. Daviyon Nixon DL Iowa
170. Trey Smith OG Tenn
249. Marquiss Spencer DL Mississippi State
(05-02-2021, 02:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2021, 01:59 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ]Never agreeing with them and throwing shade at other fans for disagreeing with your points( like the op says) makes you a DB. You know, like calling them cheerleaders and bs for being excited about their team.
I can be an [BLEEP] from time to time and I have no problem admitting that. If you are going to be one as well you probably shouldn’t be shocked when people call you out.
There's a specific segment of this board who always is negative just as there are those who refuse to see the problems with what the team is doing. I'm a realist, who calls it as I see it both good and bad. Some of the stuff Urbs and Baalke did are just headscratchingly bad, but some of the sunshine pumpers here will have their teeth ground down before they admit it.
That’s fair, I’ll give you that.
I was on both sides for most of this draft but then I got on here and watched a few just non stop trashing the front office then go after parts of the message board. it just gets frustrating to watch. So I didn’t show to much negativity because overall we had more than our fare share on here.
But I’ll give you that, I was left scratching my head on a few. but Overall I was happy
(05-02-2021, 06:07 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2021, 02:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]There's a specific segment of this board who always is negative just as there are those who refuse to see the problems with what the team is doing. I'm a realist, who calls it as I see it both good and bad. Some of the stuff Urbs and Baalke did are just headscratchingly bad, but some of the sunshine pumpers here will have their teeth ground down before they admit it.
That’s fair, I’ll give you that.
I was on both sides for most of this draft but then I got on here and watched a few just non stop trashing the front office then go after parts of the message board. it just gets frustrating to watch. So I didn’t show to much negativity because overall we had more than our fare share on here.
But I’ll give you that, I was left scratching my head on a few. but Overall I was happy
In reality I think we all agree that TLaw made this draft for us, so we do have something that unifies us from the draft.
(05-02-2021, 07:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2021, 06:07 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ]That’s fair, I’ll give you that.
I was on both sides for most of this draft but then I got on here and watched a few just non stop trashing the front office then go after parts of the message board. it just gets frustrating to watch. So I didn’t show to much negativity because overall we had more than our fare share on here.
But I’ll give you that, I was left scratching my head on a few. but Overall I was happy
In reality I think we all agree that TLaw made this draft for us, so we do have something that unifies us from the draft.
Absolutely. We finally have a QB with promise.
I did not like the Jags draft at all. I still think the Jets got QB correct. I am not sold on Lawrence.
(05-02-2021, 09:35 PM)CTEisREAL Wrote: [ -> ]I did not like the Jags draft at all. I still think the Jets got QB correct. I am not sold on Lawrence.
I think Lawrence is the better prospect, but the Jets gave Wilson help in this draft. Unless a lot of people miscalculated on Alijah vera Tucker and Moore, Wilson will have more help than Darnold had. Whether he will have more help than Lawrence will depend on Walker Little.
(05-02-2021, 09:35 PM)CTEisREAL Wrote: [ -> ]I did not like the Jags draft at all. I still think the Jets got QB correct. I am not sold on Lawrence.
I'm sticking by what I said all along. I believe both Lawrence and Wilson will be extremely successful in the NFL. I still think Wilson has a tad bit higher upside, but I think Lawrence is the safer pick. For that reason, I would chose Lawrence.
(05-02-2021, 10:52 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2021, 09:35 PM)CTEisREAL Wrote: [ -> ]I did not like the Jags draft at all. I still think the Jets got QB correct. I am not sold on Lawrence.
I'm sticking by what I said all along. I believe both Lawrence and Wilson will be extremely successful in the NFL. I still think Wilson has a tad bit higher upside, but I think Lawrence is the safer pick. For that reason, I would chose Lawrence.
I'm very curious.
What is Wilsons upside vs Lawrence? Because everything I'm seeing is that Lawrence has Manning/Elway upside. That seems to be about as high as you can go. And please don't say Wilson has Mahomes upside.
(05-01-2021, 10:27 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Knowing now how the draft played out, what picks would you have made with our original picks?
1. Trevor Lawrence QB Clemson
25. Teven Jenkins RT Oklahoma State
33. Liam Eichenberg LT Notre Dame
45. Terrace Marshall WR LSU
65. Hunter Long TE BC
106. Emerson Smith OLB Northern Iowa
130. Kenneth Gainwell RB Memphis
145. Jamar Johnson FS Indiana
170. Jaylen Twyman DE/DT Pitt
249. Cole Banwart OG Iowa
I'd probably sub in Barmore at 33, but find no fault in the rest of the list.
Of course butterfly effect and all, taking Jenkins at 25 probably means that nobody else ends up available when our next pick comes up
(05-02-2021, 09:35 PM)CTEisREAL Wrote: [ -> ]I did not like the Jags draft at all. I still think the Jets got QB correct. I am not sold on Lawrence.
username/comment synergy is off the charts here.
(05-03-2021, 08:33 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2021, 10:52 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sticking by what I said all along. I believe both Lawrence and Wilson will be extremely successful in the NFL. I still think Wilson has a tad bit higher upside, but I think Lawrence is the safer pick. For that reason, I would chose Lawrence.
I'm very curious.
What is Wilsons upside vs Lawrence? Because everything I'm seeing is that Lawrence has Manning/Elway upside. That seems to be about as high as you can go. And please don't say Wilson has Mahomes upside.
I don't really like player comparisons that much. It's hard to predict how much a college player will grow once he gets real NFL coaching. With that said, I have Lawrence and Wilson very closely rated. When I see Lawrence play I just see a very good QB with no real weaknesses except for the fact that he needs to add weight to his frame. He has a strong arm, he's accurate, he has good mechanics, he's athletic, and he's a smart guy who can make very good reads. I also really like how even-keeled he is, mentally. He's the kind of guy who can throw an interception and just wipe that out of his mind on the very next play and he won't let it bother him. That's an important trait to have for a good QB.
With Wilson, I see a lot of those very same traits. Maybe not to the extent of what Trevor shows, but they are very close. The one thing that Wilson has that makes be believe he might have a slightly higher upside is his ability to make throws out of nowhere that are jaw dropping. He'll throw the ball sidearm or across his body or under handed with unbelievable accuracy for a big gain and it will leave me shaking my head. He's fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of when I watched Brett Favre at his peak. Not that I'm really comparing them as players, but in this particular area, they are very similar. It's a rare ability.
As I said, Trevor is the safer pick. His "bust rate" is much lower than Zach and that's why I would draft him over Wilson. Zach has the ability to be one of the best of all time, (not that Lawrence can't be the same type of player though, he certainly can.) It's just that one trait of Wilson (improvisation,) that intrigues me a lot. The one thing that will determine Wilson's ultimate success is his ability to handle being in New York though. That is so much more pressure than being the starting QB in Jacksonville. Coming from Utah and going to New York is like night and day. I know I couldn't handle it.
(05-02-2021, 09:35 PM)CTEisREAL Wrote: [ -> ]I did not like the Jags draft at all. I still think the Jets got QB correct. I am not sold on Lawrence.
Man this username couldn't be more perfect.
There is a significant gap between Lawrence and Wilson.
(05-03-2021, 12:52 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2021, 08:33 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I'm very curious.
What is Wilsons upside vs Lawrence? Because everything I'm seeing is that Lawrence has Manning/Elway upside. That seems to be about as high as you can go. And please don't say Wilson has Mahomes upside.
I don't really like player comparisons that much. It's hard to predict how much a college player will grow once he gets real NFL coaching. With that said, I have Lawrence and Wilson very closely rated. When I see Lawrence play I just see a very good QB with no real weaknesses except for the fact that he needs to add weight to his frame. He has a strong arm, he's accurate, he has good mechanics, he's athletic, and he's a smart guy who can make very good reads. I also really like how even-keeled he is, mentally. He's the kind of guy who can throw an interception and just wipe that out of his mind on the very next play and he won't let it bother him. That's an important trait to have for a good QB.
With Wilson, I see a lot of those very same traits. Maybe not to the extent of what Trevor shows, but they are very close. The one thing that Wilson has that makes be believe he might have a slightly higher upside is his ability to make throws out of nowhere that are jaw dropping. He'll throw the ball sidearm or across his body or under handed with unbelievable accuracy for a big gain and it will leave me shaking my head. He's fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of when I watched Brett Favre at his peak. Not that I'm really comparing them as players, but in this particular area, they are very similar. It's a rare ability.
As I said, Trevor is the safer pick. His "bust rate" is much lower than Zach and that's why I would draft him over Wilson. Zach has the ability to be one of the best of all time, (not that Lawrence can't be the same type of player though, he certainly can.) It's just that one trait of Wilson (improvisation,) that intrigues me a lot. The one thing that will determine Wilson's ultimate success is his ability to handle being in New York though. That is so much more pressure than being the starting QB in Jacksonville. Coming from Utah and going to New York is like night and day. I know I couldn't handle it.
An added factor with the pressure associated with the Jets, is they have been seeking a Franchise QB, since Joe Namath reached the late stages of his pro football career. That's around 45 seasons ago. No Jets QB since Namath has been able get the team to the Super Bowl. None of their 1st Round QBs lived up to his draft billing. QBs of all different types didn't pan out the way the Jets envisioned for various reasons.
(05-03-2021, 02:04 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2021, 12:52 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I don't really like player comparisons that much. It's hard to predict how much a college player will grow once he gets real NFL coaching. With that said, I have Lawrence and Wilson very closely rated. When I see Lawrence play I just see a very good QB with no real weaknesses except for the fact that he needs to add weight to his frame. He has a strong arm, he's accurate, he has good mechanics, he's athletic, and he's a smart guy who can make very good reads. I also really like how even-keeled he is, mentally. He's the kind of guy who can throw an interception and just wipe that out of his mind on the very next play and he won't let it bother him. That's an important trait to have for a good QB.
With Wilson, I see a lot of those very same traits. Maybe not to the extent of what Trevor shows, but they are very close. The one thing that Wilson has that makes be believe he might have a slightly higher upside is his ability to make throws out of nowhere that are jaw dropping. He'll throw the ball sidearm or across his body or under handed with unbelievable accuracy for a big gain and it will leave me shaking my head. He's fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of when I watched Brett Favre at his peak. Not that I'm really comparing them as players, but in this particular area, they are very similar. It's a rare ability.
As I said, Trevor is the safer pick. His "bust rate" is much lower than Zach and that's why I would draft him over Wilson. Zach has the ability to be one of the best of all time, (not that Lawrence can't be the same type of player though, he certainly can.) It's just that one trait of Wilson (improvisation,) that intrigues me a lot. The one thing that will determine Wilson's ultimate success is his ability to handle being in New York though. That is so much more pressure than being the starting QB in Jacksonville. Coming from Utah and going to New York is like night and day. I know I couldn't handle it.
An added factor with the pressure associated with the Jets, is they have been seeking a Franchise QB, since Joe Namath reached the late stages of his pro football career. That's around 45 seasons ago. No Jets QB since Namath has been able get the team to the Super Bowl. None of their 1st Round QBs lived up to his draft billing. QBs of all different types didn't pan out the way the Jets envisioned for various reasons.
You're absolutely correct.
(05-01-2021, 11:08 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]1. Trevor Lawrence
25. Teven Jenkins
33. Elijah Moore
45. Samuel Cosmi
65. Joseph Ossai
106. Jabril Cox
130. Rashad Weaver
145. Jamar Johnson
170. Tay Gowan
249. Khyris Tonga
I thought it was Rondale Moore you wanted at 33?
(05-02-2021, 11:20 AM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2021, 11:04 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly like the actual draft a lot more than your redo.
The only thing i'd change is this:
33. Teven Jenkins > Campbell
45. Friermuth > Walker Little
Now, if the henderson rumors are true, I'd stick with the original. If not, CB wasn't a need and Jenkins>Little and Friermuth > campbell.
Yeah, that's along the lines of what I was thinking too. Was surprised we didn't go with Jenkins at 33, and go DB later. Regardless, DB is harder to upgrade than tight end.
If Campbell would have slipped to 45, would you have picked him over Friermuth?
Tough call honestly. I guess at that point you go with whichever you believe to be a better player. But needs wise, we have no good Te's and presumably 2 good starting corners + sydney jones.
(05-02-2021, 11:47 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2021, 11:04 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly like the actual draft a lot more than your redo.
The only thing i'd change is this:
33. Teven Jenkins > Campbell
45. Friermuth > Walker Little
Now, if the henderson rumors are true, I'd stick with the original. If not, CB wasn't a need and Jenkins>Little and Friermuth > campbell.
Cisco is 10000% a better safety than Moehrig. Ofcourse the question is will he be the same player post-injury. Time will tell.
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Sorry forgot I was talking to people like you who only know these guys names from Mel Kipers mock drafts. LOL