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Pretty [BLEEP] stupid if you ask me.  But, hey, he stood for his beliefs.  Good for him...if it's that important.

Good for him for standing up for his own beliefs. Now that he’s out of the NFL, I hope he’s able to find another job opportunity. It probably won’t pay as well as the NFL.

I would have got the vaxx and kept my paycheck rolling in.

(07-23-2021, 04:55 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2021, 04:10 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]At least a couple of coaches are now walking away from their jobs due to not wanting to take the vaccine. The Vikings OL coach Rick Dennison just left his position and the team because he refuses to take the vaccine. Patriots co-offensive line coach Cole Popovich will also not be with his team in the upcoming season due to not wanting to take the vaccine and the NFL's new guidelines.

https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/stat...5049493508

They may not like it, but the NFL is their employer and are able to make these rules. Both of them are walking away from good jobs.

Legally they are discriminating against some players. You probably won't find a judge who will apply the laws though.

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They are the NFL, they can do whatever they want.

It's not political I remember having to to be vaccinated for things to go to public school and I'm 33. No vaccine don't let them play.

so incredible that this vaccine is this polarizing. I wonder if it were a polio pandemic we’d have the same thing.
Anyways I got it - I agree with the NFLs decision and I also agree that if the players/coaches don’t want to take the vaccine that they should able to quit without a bad stamp on their reputation. Everyone is entitled to their belief.

(07-23-2021, 10:09 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]so incredible that this vaccine is this polarizing. I wonder if it were a polio pandemic we’d have the same thing.
Anyways I got it - I agree with the NFLs decision  and I also agree that if the players/coaches don’t want to take the vaccine that they should able to quit without a bad stamp on their reputation. Everyone is entitled to their belief.

Actually, the Polio vaccine WAS this polarizing, believe it or not.  There will always be paranoid people who fear what they are incapable of understanding.

(07-23-2021, 10:09 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]so incredible that this vaccine is this polarizing. I wonder if it were a polio pandemic we’d have the same thing.
Anyways I got it - I agree with the NFLs decision  and I also agree that if the players/coaches don’t want to take the vaccine that they should able to quit without a bad stamp on their reputation. Everyone is entitled to their belief.

This is the result when politics muddles science.

(07-24-2021, 05:45 AM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2021, 10:09 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]so incredible that this vaccine is this polarizing. I wonder if it were a polio pandemic we’d have the same thing.
Anyways I got it - I agree with the NFLs decision  and I also agree that if the players/coaches don’t want to take the vaccine that they should able to quit without a bad stamp on their reputation. Everyone is entitled to their belief.

This is the result when politics muddles science.

It's 100x worse now with all of the questionable 'information' at your fingertips.

This NFL testing process is basically designed to have teams forfeit. When reading/watching the news these days it's hard to tell what is true and what is a lie intended to drive public decision making. But I've seen a number of professionals such as Scott Gottlieb talk about how understated the infection and spread rate is among the vaccinated. There is the looming question of why in Europe the infection rates seem to be the highest among the most vaccinated countries. And then there are all the anecdotal stories of superspreading events among the vaccinated. I know of a few people myself.

So if the rate of spread among vaccinated is higher and more prevalent than we were led to believe when they were initially selling those hesitant into getting the vaccines, wouldn't it be likely to see vaccinated players spreading the disease to unvaccinated on the team? And if the virus can spread that readily between both sets of people, why such stringent testing? What if a team has a bunch of vaccinated players test positive? Would they force them to forfeit then as well? You'd have no idea if it was "irresponsible" unvaccinated that caused the outbreak in the team or not. Why punish a team for "doing the right thing" who falls prey to what seems to be an inevitable consequence of the virus.

And what about players, such as Trevor Lawrence, who have already had it? I have no idea if he took the vaccine but makes sense why he would feel he doesn't need to. Wonder if they are forcing those players to be tested daily as well.

When a regular old wage slave is told get the vaccine or get another job they get the vaccine because in the real world money doesn't grow on trees and people have to get money to eat and have a roof over their head.

These NFL guys, though, don't have to worry about any of that, or at least don't think they have to. Hopefully they'll be blackballed and won't be able get on anywhere else thanks to this extreme level of self-centered-ness. Then, maybe, years down the road they'll come to regret making this the hill they died on.

So, if a vaccinated player becomes infected by his wife/partner or kids who has tested positive, what then? Is the NFL going to require every single family member get vaccinated?

Or if the vaccinated gets infected by anyone? Can the NFL prove it was by an unvaccinated player who tested positive? No they can't.

I just tested positive for it but my husband, who was sick before I was, tested negative but he could have tested too early. He is the only person I've had long term or continuous contact with. The likelihood of catching it from someone else is slim but it could happen. So who did I get it from? There is no test that tells you if you got it from someone who has been vaccinated or someone who hasn't.

There are way too many variables in this equation.

(07-24-2021, 05:04 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]So, if a vaccinated player becomes infected by his wife/partner or kids who has tested positive, what then? Is the NFL going to require every single family member get vaccinated?

Or if the vaccinated gets infected by anyone? Can the NFL prove it was by an unvaccinated player who tested positive? No they can't.

I just tested positive for it but my husband, who was sick before I was, tested negative but he could have tested too early. He is the only person I've had long term or continuous contact with. The likelihood of catching it from someone else is slim but it could happen. So who did I get it from? There is no test that tells you if you got it from someone who has been vaccinated or someone who hasn't.

There are way too many variables in this equation.

The penalties are for unvaccinated players.

(07-23-2021, 02:52 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2021, 02:42 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]No no... we don't know how many of the vaccinated are getting COVID - because the vaccine lessens the effects - so if they're asymptomatic why get a test? I think we're going to see a lot of 2 week COVID-positive tests for the vaccinated, since it's mandatory regardless of how you feel.

Also it appears from what I have read online is that most of the new cases are for the "Delta Variant". The current vaccine doesn't defend against that.

Not true.  The current vaccines do provide protection against the Delta Variant.  

There may be more breakthrough infections with variants, but the risk of hospitalziation or death amongst vaccinated individuals is significantly lower than those unvaccinated.  Also, vaccinated individuals carry a much lower viral load which means they are less likely to transmit it to others even if they do get infected.

(07-23-2021, 04:55 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2021, 04:10 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]At least a couple of coaches are now walking away from their jobs due to not wanting to take the vaccine. The Vikings OL coach Rick Dennison just left his position and the team because he refuses to take the vaccine. Patriots co-offensive line coach Cole Popovich will also not be with his team in the upcoming season due to not wanting to take the vaccine and the NFL's new guidelines.

https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/stat...5049493508

They may not like it, but the NFL is their employer and are able to make these rules. Both of them are walking away from good jobs.

Legally they are discriminating against some players. You probably won't find a judge who will apply the laws though.

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Actually, the courts have already ruled on this.  Employers have the right to require vaccination as a condition of employment.  

Where I work, it's mandatory to get a flu vaccine every year.  Fail to do so and you are terminated.  Absolutely legal to do so.

(07-25-2021, 08:22 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2021, 04:55 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Legally they are discriminating against some players. You probably won't find a judge who will apply the laws though.

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Actually, the courts have already ruled on this.  Employers have the right to require vaccination as a condition of employment.  

Where I work, it's mandatory to get a flu vaccine every year.  Fail to do so and you are terminated.  Absolutely legal to do so.

There are court cases going on now for this, but a this isn't a FDA approved vaccine yet. Generally you can say you are required to have the vaccine to say enter the building or something similar. They also need to provide alternatives for people with legal exemptions, like work from home.

The NFL did not mandate the vaccine. They put rules in place that have no factual basis. They are punishing the unvaccinated players. They also have threatened the unvaccinated players with forfeiting games. All of this is illegal.

Vaccinated players can spread the virus but they say it doesn't matter, once you test negative 2 times you are good.

They also say if a unvaccinated player test positive, they will not reschedule a game. How do they know where the unvaccinated player got it? Did he get it from one of the vaccinated players?

The NFL was fine until they started setting up different rules to punish players.

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It looks like the vaccine could be officially approved in september

(07-25-2021, 12:13 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2021, 08:22 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, the courts have already ruled on this.  Employers have the right to require vaccination as a condition of employment.  

Where I work, it's mandatory to get a flu vaccine every year.  Fail to do so and you are terminated.  Absolutely legal to do so.

There are court cases going on now for this, but a this isn't a FDA approved vaccine yet. Generally you can say you are required to have the vaccine to say enter the building or something similar. They also need to provide alternatives for people with legal exemptions, like work from home.

The NFL did not mandate the vaccine. They put rules in place that have no factual basis. They are punishing the unvaccinated players. They also have threatened the unvaccinated players with forfeiting games. All of this is illegal.

Vaccinated players can spread the virus but they say it doesn't matter, once you test negative 2 times you are good.

They also say if a unvaccinated player test positive, they will not reschedule a game. How do they know where the unvaccinated player got it? Did he get it from one of the vaccinated players?

The NFL was fine until they started setting up different rules to punish players.

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The rules have nothing to do with ''punishing" players and everything to do with protecting the income stream of a business that produces a 15 billion dollar annual profit.  It's all about the money, no more, no less.

(07-25-2021, 01:58 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2021, 12:13 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]There are court cases going on now for this, but a this isn't a FDA approved vaccine yet. Generally you can say you are required to have the vaccine to say enter the building or something similar. They also need to provide alternatives for people with legal exemptions, like work from home.

The NFL did not mandate the vaccine. They put rules in place that have no factual basis. They are punishing the unvaccinated players. They also have threatened the unvaccinated players with forfeiting games. All of this is illegal.

Vaccinated players can spread the virus but they say it doesn't matter, once you test negative 2 times you are good.

They also say if a unvaccinated player test positive, they will not reschedule a game. How do they know where the unvaccinated player got it? Did he get it from one of the vaccinated players?

The NFL was fine until they started setting up different rules to punish players.

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The rules have nothing to do with ''punishing" players and everything to do with protecting the income stream of a business that produces a 15 billion dollar annual profit.  It's all about the money, no more, no less.

Then why only punish the unvaccinated? They should do the same thing for both if they cared about protecting their money. They are using it as a work around instead of mandating the vaccine.

A vaccinated player can still get and spread covid, so why are they allowing separate rules for them? The same 24 hour or 10 day rule should apply to both. The league is basically saying it doesn't matter if you have covid now, you can spread it to the whole team.

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(07-25-2021, 12:13 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2021, 08:22 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, the courts have already ruled on this.  Employers have the right to require vaccination as a condition of employment.  

Where I work, it's mandatory to get a flu vaccine every year.  Fail to do so and you are terminated.  Absolutely legal to do so.

There are court cases going on now for this, but a this isn't a FDA approved vaccine yet. Generally you can say you are required to have the vaccine to say enter the building or something similar. They also need to provide alternatives for people with legal exemptions, like work from home.

The NFL did not mandate the vaccine. They put rules in place that have no factual basis. They are punishing the unvaccinated players. They also have threatened the unvaccinated players with forfeiting games. All of this is illegal.

Vaccinated players can spread the virus but they say it doesn't matter, once you test negative 2 times you are good.

They also say if a unvaccinated player test positive, they will not reschedule a game. How do they know where the unvaccinated player got it? Did he get it from one of the vaccinated players?

The NFL was fine until they started setting up different rules to punish players.

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Would you please cite your precedent to differentiate an Emergency Use Authorization from an FDA Approval during a declared Public Health Emergency?

The simple fact is that the EUA does everything needed to make what the NFL is doing perfectly legal. As far as vaccinated players go they shouldn't be testing them at all, there's no point to it. Just keep the record of the unvaccinated and when they get the virus then quarantine and fine them.

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(07-25-2021, 02:11 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2021, 01:58 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]The rules have nothing to do with ''punishing" players and everything to do with protecting the income stream of a business that produces a 15 billion dollar annual profit.  It's all about the money, no more, no less.

Then why only punish the unvaccinated? They should do the same thing for both if they cared about protecting their money. They are using it as a work around instead of mandating the vaccine.

A vaccinated player can still get and spread covid, so why are they allowing separate rules for them? The same 24 hour or 10 day rule should apply to both. The league is basically saying it doesn't matter if you have covid now, you can spread it to the whole team.

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Because unvaccinated players are refusing to take the proper step necessary to protect the League and game therefore when the inevitable happens there should and will be consequences.

These NFL players are in peak condition. Let them get COVID, survive (since theres a 99.98-99.997% chance they will), and have natural antibodies. They are only at harm to themselves at this point, and the vaccine will significantly reduce the affects for those vaccinated who do get infected.