(07-25-2021, 09:01 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]As long as Trevor Lawrence is playing every week of the regular season and post season, then we will be just fine.
If I’m Coach Meyer, I’m doing everything within my power to keep Trevor in a bubble.
I think it would be a good challenge for him to play with our backup linemen.
(07-23-2021, 02:52 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2021, 02:42 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]No no... we don't know how many of the vaccinated are getting COVID - because the vaccine lessens the effects - so if they're asymptomatic why get a test? I think we're going to see a lot of 2 week COVID-positive tests for the vaccinated, since it's mandatory regardless of how you feel.
Also it appears from what I have read online is that most of the new cases are for the "Delta Variant". The current vaccine doesn't defend against that.
that's just incorrect
NEJM has posted clinical studies showing two-dose vaccination 88% effective against Delta. Your source?
(07-23-2021, 03:05 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2021, 03:03 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]We made it through the season last year. What were the rules and procedures last year?
See.. that's why it could be a quagmire. Last year they had contract tracing and bubbles and all that stuff. That's getting lessened by a crapton.
Someone could theoretically get COVID, have zero symptoms, have it around every other unvaxxed and vaxxed player for 2 whole weeks.. and suddenly the whole team has COVID.
Potential quagmire.
Welcome to every flippin offfice in America.
Same story, we're all back to normal and get a new positive to induce panic weekly.
I still have unvaccinated in my circle of contact (both children and adult family). Just havin a great time pushin buttons on the work machine
(07-23-2021, 03:34 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2021, 03:05 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]See.. that's why it could be a quagmire. Last year they had contract tracing and bubbles and all that stuff. That's getting lessened by a crapton.
Someone could theoretically get COVID, have zero symptoms, have it around every other unvaxxed and vaxxed player for 2 whole weeks.. and suddenly the whole team has COVID.
Potential quagmire.
So all of histories learning on the science of disease are suddenly meaningless because it is COVID? The testing program is stupid. There is no asymptomatic spread and if there is and you are spreading to people and they are asymptomatic what is the point. My care is compromised by COVID. They wasted half of my day in the emergency room due to COVID and at the end of the day I have pneumonia which for my health is worse than COVID. I took the stupid vaccine and it doesn't mean piss really.
Well except...
Despite all my rage, I'm still just a rat in a cage
Are we really concerned that young men in the prime of their NFL careers with access to nutrition, training regimes, top notch doctors really even need to be COVID tested?
YES! I'll say it again, HECK YES.
When I go to work, I sit in a 8x8 box and touch a whole bunch of things that generally I am the only person to touch. For the shieldball employees, going to work involves a lot closer contact, exchange of fluids, and much more demanding respiratory conditioning.
If what is circulating is something that circumvents the existing countermeasure, why would we want to encourage a potential spread?
(07-23-2021, 04:55 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2021, 04:10 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]At least a couple of coaches are now walking away from their jobs due to not wanting to take the vaccine. The Vikings OL coach Rick Dennison just left his position and the team because he refuses to take the vaccine. Patriots co-offensive line coach Cole Popovich will also not be with his team in the upcoming season due to not wanting to take the vaccine and the NFL's new guidelines.
https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/stat...5049493508
They may not like it, but the NFL is their employer and are able to make these rules. Both of them are walking away from good jobs.
Legally they are discriminating against some players. You probably won't find a judge who will apply the laws though.
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...not the place to discuss, but good luck with that.
(07-25-2021, 07:50 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2021, 07:02 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]It's never been legal to force it on people who have an exemption, medical or religious, even with an approved vaccine. The FDA is also ignoring rules around # of adverse events, they pulled the previous vaccine after 25 deaths. You can't get a medical one because if they give it to you they will be attacked from above. Plenty of doctors will say don't take it but they won't sign an exemption. They also are ignoring religious exemptions.
Just because everyone is just going along with it doesn't make it legal. You could easily sign your right to sue away if you got sick and there is no reason for the mandates. Why does everyone have to have the vaccine if those with the vaccine are protected? Vaccinated people still get and transmit virus but they are ignoring that and only saying we will fine, force you to sit out 10 days, and not pay you for unvaccinated players.
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The NFL is a private business. They have a right to enforce whatever rules they want with their employees. My company is doing it.
Aside from that, how the [BLEEP] is this thread still open? This has nothing to do with Luton and there's a thread dealing with this [BLEEP] in the political session. If you want to argue about this, go there. Don't pollute this forum with the swill from that one.
The thread is open because there really isn't any political discussion going on here. There is some discussion about efficacy of vaccine and about reasons some resist taking it, but that is not a political topic. Obviously some like to make it into one, but I don't really see that happening here. (yet)
Luton's (and several other Jaguars players) recent positive tests have implications for the Jaguars' season and make much of the discussion in this thread at least somewhat relevant. But not all of it.
THAT SAID - Rico is right.
This isn't the best place to hash out the scientific opinions about efficacy and potential dangers or side effects of the various Covid-19 vaccines. So - let's do that in the political forum - OR - perhaps on the sideline/flyby section where I'll start a thread about scientific discussion of the vaccine.
We can limit this thread to updates on Jags players testing status and availability.
Thanks to you all for cooperating.
(07-25-2021, 07:50 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2021, 07:02 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]It's never been legal to force it on people who have an exemption, medical or religious, even with an approved vaccine. The FDA is also ignoring rules around # of adverse events, they pulled the previous vaccine after 25 deaths. You can't get a medical one because if they give it to you they will be attacked from above. Plenty of doctors will say don't take it but they won't sign an exemption. They also are ignoring religious exemptions.
Just because everyone is just going along with it doesn't make it legal. You could easily sign your right to sue away if you got sick and there is no reason for the mandates. Why does everyone have to have the vaccine if those with the vaccine are protected? Vaccinated people still get and transmit virus but they are ignoring that and only saying we will fine, force you to sit out 10 days, and not pay you for unvaccinated players.
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The NFL is a private business. They have a right to enforce whatever rules they want with their employees. My company is doing it.
Aside from that, how the [BLEEP] is this thread still open? This has nothing to do with Luton and there's a thread dealing with this [BLEEP] in the political session. If you want to argue about this, go there. Don't pollute this forum with the swill from that one.
They have to abide by congress and laws, so they aren't a normal business. Still a private business in an at will state still cannot fire you for not taking the vaccine if you have a valid exemption. It doesn't matter what they want to claim. They can keep you out of a building but still allow you to do your job. The NFL can't do that, so they are in a grey area. They can say you have to wear masks for now, but there are lawsuits for that in the courts.
(07-25-2021, 08:37 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2021, 08:27 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]So how the [BLEEP] does this say they can't require employees to be vaccinated? Are you trying to assert it's a disability? LOL
Your anger exceeds your comprehension skills. LOL.
I specifically state that the EEOC has not yet ruled on covid vaccination obligations/permissions/rights. They have, however, published rules on covid anti-bodies and employers are NOT allowed to ask about anti-body status with an employee. As the whole purpose of vaccinations are to trigger an anti-body response before you get an infection of one virus or another, the anti-body ruling is indicative of what the EEOC may rule on vaccines.
The EEOC appears to be keeping the same rulings in place, so they would have to put the same rules for everyone.
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(07-25-2021, 07:50 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2021, 07:02 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]It's never been legal to force it on people who have an exemption, medical or religious, even with an approved vaccine.
The NFL is a private business. They have a right to enforce whatever rules they want with their employees. My company is doing it.
The NFL is not forcing anybody to get a shot. Bottom line, private businesses have the right to require certain things of people that are employed at their company. Thus, businesses have a right to no longer employ those that don't comply with their policy. As such, nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. People can always look elsewhere for employment.
(07-26-2021, 11:58 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2021, 07:50 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]The NFL is a private business. They have a right to enforce whatever rules they want with their employees. My company is doing it.
The NFL is not forcing anybody to get a shot. Bottom line, private businesses have the right to require certain things of people that are employed at their company. Thus, businesses have a right to no longer employ those that don't comply with their policy. As such, nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. People can always look elsewhere for employment.
I've already stated they aren't forcing anyone to get it. They are trying to go around the law because if they flat out said you have to get it, they would have a bunch of players speaking out about it. They are trying to use punishment and coercion to get the players to all take it. There is plenty of US and International law that says that is illegal.
It doesn't matter if you can find employment elsewhere or not, it is not legal. The NFL also doesn't have another employment equal. The law is clear on what they are doing is illegal but you also have to find courts that will follow the laws.
(07-26-2021, 01:32 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (07-26-2021, 11:58 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]The NFL is not forcing anybody to get a shot. Bottom line, private businesses have the right to require certain things of people that are employed at their company. Thus, businesses have a right to no longer employ those that don't comply with their policy. As such, nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. People can always look elsewhere for employment.
I've already stated they aren't forcing anyone to get it. They are trying to go around the law because if they flat out said you have to get it, they would have a bunch of players speaking out about it. They are trying to use punishment and coercion to get the players to all take it. There is plenty of US and International law that says that is illegal.
It doesn't matter if you can find employment elsewhere or not, it is not legal. The NFL also doesn't have another employment equal. The law is clear on what they are doing is illegal but you also have to find courts that will follow the laws.
Either the Courts, all of them, are breaking the Law...or you are wrong. Hmmmm...
(07-26-2021, 01:32 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (07-26-2021, 11:58 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]The NFL is not forcing anybody to get a shot. Bottom line, private businesses have the right to require certain things of people that are employed at their company. Thus, businesses have a right to no longer employ those that don't comply with their policy. As such, nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. People can always look elsewhere for employment.
I've already stated they aren't forcing anyone to get it. They are trying to go around the law because if they flat out said you have to get it, they would have a bunch of players speaking out about it. They are trying to use punishment and coercion to get the players to all take it. There is plenty of US and International law that says that is illegal.
It doesn't matter if you can find employment elsewhere or not, it is not legal. The NFL also doesn't have another employment equal. The law is clear on what they are doing is illegal but you also have to find courts that will follow the laws.
And how long have you been practicing law now?
They are not forcing anyone to get a shot. They are forcing teams to prepare for contingency should an outbreak on their team (or their opponent's team) occur. So long as a team has enough players to field a gameday roster, no penalty will be incurred.
Tyrants.
(07-26-2021, 08:35 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2021, 03:34 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]So all of histories learning on the science of disease are suddenly meaningless because it is COVID? The testing program is stupid. There is no asymptomatic spread and if there is and you are spreading to people and they are asymptomatic what is the point. My care is compromised by COVID. They wasted half of my day in the emergency room due to COVID and at the end of the day I have pneumonia which for my health is worse than COVID. I took the stupid vaccine and it doesn't mean piss really.
Well except...
Despite all my rage, I'm still just a rat in a cage
Are we really concerned that young men in the prime of their NFL careers with access to nutrition, training regimes, top notch doctors really even need to be COVID tested?
YES! I'll say it again, HECK YES.
When I go to work, I sit in a 8x8 box and touch a whole bunch of things that generally I am the only person to touch. For the shieldball employees, going to work involves a lot closer contact, exchange of fluids, and much more demanding respiratory conditioning.
If what is circulating is something that circumvents the existing countermeasure, why would we want to encourage a potential spread?
Aren't you vaccinated? You don't have much to worry about, other than catching minor cold symptoms. It wouldn't be much different than taking protective measures against the cold or flu at this point. I think you might be going a little overboard. Did the NFL previously have strict restrictions and rigorous testing for the flu or the cold?
(07-27-2021, 08:13 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (07-26-2021, 01:32 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]I've already stated they aren't forcing anyone to get it. They are trying to go around the law because if they flat out said you have to get it, they would have a bunch of players speaking out about it. They are trying to use punishment and coercion to get the players to all take it. There is plenty of US and International law that says that is illegal.
It doesn't matter if you can find employment elsewhere or not, it is not legal. The NFL also doesn't have another employment equal. The law is clear on what they are doing is illegal but you also have to find courts that will follow the laws.
And how long have you been practicing law now?
They are not forcing anyone to get a shot. They are forcing teams to prepare for contingency should an outbreak on their team (or their opponent's team) occur. So long as a team has enough players to field a gameday roster, no penalty will be incurred.
Tyrants.
They are pretty much forcing the players to get the vaccine without actually forcing them. They can't force them but they can make their lives hell and turn up the pressure until they give in and get the vaccine.
(07-27-2021, 08:27 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ] (07-26-2021, 08:35 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]YES! I'll say it again, HECK YES.
When I go to work, I sit in a 8x8 box and touch a whole bunch of things that generally I am the only person to touch. For the shieldball employees, going to work involves a lot closer contact, exchange of fluids, and much more demanding respiratory conditioning.
If what is circulating is something that circumvents the existing countermeasure, why would we want to encourage a potential spread?
Aren't you vaccinated? You don't have much to worry about, other than catching minor cold symptoms. It wouldn't be much different than taking protective measures against the cold or flu at this point. I think you might be going a little overboard. Did the NFL previously have strict restrictions and rigorous testing for the flu or the cold?
I have kids and unvaxxed elderly fambly.
I also generally go from work to home, and contact few other people outside of the occasional trip to get groceries. I imagine a 20-something year old athlete is going to be hanging at clubs, out for dinner, and other social gatherings that will present a whole heckuva lot more chances at spreading things.
My worry isn't about the 20-something getting a raspy cough or achy muscles for a few days. My worry is who else they share contact with that might have significantly worse reaction to an infection.
(07-27-2021, 10:16 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2021, 08:13 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]And how long have you been practicing law now?
They are not forcing anyone to get a shot. They are forcing teams to prepare for contingency should an outbreak on their team (or their opponent's team) occur. So long as a team has enough players to field a gameday roster, no penalty will be incurred.
Tyrants.
They are pretty much forcing the players to get the vaccine without actually forcing them. They can't force them but they can make their lives hell and turn up the pressure until they give in and get the vaccine.
"pretty much forcing" is not the same as "forcing". Any 1L student should be able to help you with that distinction.
This is just like my mortgage servicer pretty much forces me to send a house payment every month. I can choose not to send the payment, if I don't mind the possible consequence (financial penalty, loss of house, credit rating damage, etc). I like my house, I like my credit rating, and I like not having to pay penalties, so I voluntarily send a payment their way rather predictably. If I opt not to send payment this month, they are not forcibly taking money from my account to keep the loan current. After a few months of not paying, they may make my life hell and either convince me to pay voluntarily or legally force me to pay.
There are so many accomodations along the way before a player is penalized for their choice that I think folks are getting their shorts in a wrinkle over what will likely never realize.
(07-27-2021, 04:19 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2021, 10:16 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]They are pretty much forcing the players to get the vaccine without actually forcing them. They can't force them but they can make their lives hell and turn up the pressure until they give in and get the vaccine.
"pretty much forcing" is not the same as "forcing". Any 1L student should be able to help you with that distinction.
This is just like my mortgage servicer pretty much forces me to send a house payment every month. I can choose not to send the payment, if I don't mind the possible consequence (financial penalty, loss of house, credit rating damage, etc). I like my house, I like my credit rating, and I like not having to pay penalties, so I voluntarily send a payment their way rather predictably. If I opt not to send payment this month, they are not forcibly taking money from my account to keep the loan current. After a few months of not paying, they may make my life hell and either convince me to pay voluntarily or legally force me to pay.
There are so many accomodations along the way before a player is penalized for their choice that I think folks are getting their shorts in a wrinkle over what will likely never realize.
They are saying if you don't get it, we will make your life hell. We will punish your team mates and your city if you don't comply. It is grouse really.
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but coach said that the jags have over 80% vaccinated today in his press conference. I think that's a nice advantage to have so far. You see the ravens are having problems with their starting qb and back up out for corona right now.
(07-26-2021, 08:35 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2021, 03:34 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]So all of histories learning on the science of disease are suddenly meaningless because it is COVID? The testing program is stupid. There is no asymptomatic spread and if there is and you are spreading to people and they are asymptomatic what is the point. My care is compromised by COVID. They wasted half of my day in the emergency room due to COVID and at the end of the day I have pneumonia which for my health is worse than COVID. I took the stupid vaccine and it doesn't mean piss really.
Well except...
Despite all my rage, I'm still just a rat in a cage
Are we really concerned that young men in the prime of their NFL careers with access to nutrition, training regimes, top notch doctors really even need to be COVID tested?
YES! I'll say it again, HECK YES.
When I go to work, I sit in a 8x8 box and touch a whole bunch of things that generally I am the only person to touch. For the shieldball employees, going to work involves a lot closer contact, exchange of fluids, and much more demanding respiratory conditioning.
If what is circulating is something that circumvents the existing countermeasure, why would we want to encourage a potential spread?
Why didn't you hide from the world before now? Everything in this world can kill you. There really isn't anything special about how COVID works. The reactions are different and much more over the political top.
I have lung issues and get pneumonia multiple times a year, covid would be one more issue to deal with in life.
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