the defense has improved from the last 4 to 5 weeks. and seems to getting better. if the offense can ever figure itself out. we might have a team. but with Bevell i don't think it will.
I think the regression we are seeing with Lawrence will force Khan’s hand.
I am not going to claim intimate knowledge of front offices around the league. So I can’t give you a list of names for GM.
Some teams I would like to see the candidate come from: Arizona, LA Chargers, Tampa, Buffalo, Cleveland, Pitt, Baltimore, Indy. This type of hire reminds me of the saying “I may not know art, but I know what I like.” Did those teams tend to draft BAP? Did they build through the trenches?
As far as coaches. I prefer an established offensive coordinator that has shown a great history of productivity. Brian Daboll seems to check those boxes. Bonus points for developing (or at least helping) a young QB already.
(11-26-2021, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 09:41 AM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately, Khan didn't lure and hire Urban to Jax with a mandate to turnaround a 1-15 horrible ball club in 1 year.
He also didn't hire him to make things worse, yet here we are.
He has already doubled the win total.
(11-26-2021, 11:02 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He also didn't hire him to make things worse, yet here we are.
I know math isn't a priority in some households so let me inform you that 2-8 is better than 1-15
Dont' bring them facts there in this arguement. They got their pitchforks and torches out.
Lol The only way Urban isn’t the coach next year is if he decides to step down. Khan isn’t going to fire him after one year.
(11-26-2021, 11:38 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville points scored per game:
2020: 19.1
2021: 15.9
Third Down conversions per game:
2020: 5.3
2021: 3.8
This is almost a 30% decrease from last year's miserable performances.
Jacksonville
2020: 1 win
2021: 2 wins with 7 games to go.
(11-26-2021, 07:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 11:38 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville points scored per game:
2020: 19.1
2021: 15.9
Third Down conversions per game:
2020: 5.3
2021: 3.8
This is almost a 30% decrease from last year's miserable performances.
Jacksonville
2020: 1 win
2021: 2 wins with 7 games to go.
And if he wins 3 games next year, is he doing a good job? 4 games in the following year? In six years, maybe we'll be a .500 team?
Two wins is not remotely good enough given that he had 5 picks in the top 65 in the draft and more money in salary cap than any other team in the league. As someone else pointed out, one of the wins was largely thanks to Josh Allen -- a player Meyer inherited from last year. Most of Meyer's draft picks weren't even on the field.
(11-26-2021, 07:17 PM)HolsterHusto Wrote: [ -> ]Lol The only way Urban isn’t the coach next year is if he decides to step down. Khan isn’t going to fire him after one year.
Which is why this franchise is and seemingly always will be, perennial losers. We hire bad front office people who bring in bad players, we hire bad coaches and we hang onto them way too long. It has happened over and over and over for the last 2 decades.
(11-26-2021, 07:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 11:38 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville points scored per game:
2020: 19.1
2021: 15.9
Third Down conversions per game:
2020: 5.3
2021: 3.8
This is almost a 30% decrease from last year's miserable performances.
Jacksonville
2020: 1 win
2021: 2 wins with 7 games to go.
Gus was 4 and 4 his last 8 in year 1. I guess he was twice the coach of Urbz.
(11-26-2021, 07:38 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville
2020: 1 win
2021: 2 wins with 7 games to go.
And if he wins 3 games next year, is he doing a good job? 4 games in the following year? In six years, maybe we'll be a .500 team?
Two wins is not remotely good enough given that he had 5 picks in the top 65 in the draft and more money in salary cap than any other team in the league. As someone else pointed out, one of the wins was largely thanks to Josh Allen -- a player Meyer inherited from last year. Most of Meyer's draft picks weren't even on the field.
They don't care about facts or
reasoning. All they see is two wins. Who cares if we suck? We've doubled our win total. Let's just keep Meyer and maybe we'll be a good team by 2030.
(11-26-2021, 02:42 AM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]Both of them should be fired and replaced with either Malik Boyd and Brian Daboll or Willie Davis and Eric Bieniemy.
THE Brian Daboll who put up 6 pts against our garbage team with a top 5 QB? lol alright.
(11-27-2021, 04:25 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 02:42 AM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]Both of them should be fired and replaced with either Malik Boyd and Brian Daboll or Willie Davis and Eric Bieniemy.
THE Brian Daboll who put up 6 pts against our garbage team with a top 5 QB? lol alright.
Yes. Absolutely. You don't let one game determine someone's full body of work. Especially at this level. Buffalo still has the 2nd best offense in the NFL right now. They're still a 7 - 4 team with his play calling. He's done a great job with Josh Allen's development over these past four years. He's had this kid in the MVP conversation two years in a row. He's also not handcuffing him in the running game department. Something this current staff should take note of in regards with Lawrence.
The same progression and success that these coaches like Daboll, Roman and Moore are having with Allen, Jackson and Prescott are the same traits that made Bruce Arians a household name after he took a top tier talent in Roethlisberger and Luck and elevated their level of play. This is the same type of coach that made a beat up, over the hill Carson Palmer look decent out in Arizona for a few years.
You cannot deny the fact that Lawrence has a ton of potential. The coaching staff simply is not here to tap into it. It's the same issues that held back Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles & Gardner Minshew. This franchise has historically been behind the times or 8-ball in the modern advancement and overall progressive development of athletic QB's when they've had their hands on one.
It's true. This team has lacked a ton of talent for years now. Haven't had a true QB since Mark Brunell. Haven't had a true number one receiver since Jimmy Smith. Haven't had a really viable TE since one fluke season with Marcedes Lewis where a lot of fans would dare to argue that Kyle Brady was the better TE or even Pete Mitchell considering the eras they played in.
Khan needs to make a decision quickly here. Daboll would easily be a top two candidate on my potential new hire list. You watch though. They'll screw around and give Meyer another year, just like they did Marrone, and they'll blunder another opportunity to get an offensive minded headcoach like they did when Stefanski ended up in Cleveland and they'll be sorry.
Daboll will end up somewhere like Chicago or New York in the off season and get the most out of Justin Fields or Daniel Jones offensively and have them in a play-off discussion or showing significant steps forward development wise while we're over here watching this team under Meyer's "leadership" trying to figure out this team's identity on offense still in week 10 of next year.
(11-27-2021, 04:25 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 02:42 AM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]Both of them should be fired and replaced with either Malik Boyd and Brian Daboll or Willie Davis and Eric Bieniemy.
THE Brian Daboll who put up 6 pts against our garbage team with a top 5 QB? lol alright.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re trolling me here.
(11-27-2021, 04:25 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 02:42 AM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]Both of them should be fired and replaced with either Malik Boyd and Brian Daboll or Willie Davis and Eric Bieniemy.
THE Brian Daboll who put up 6 pts against our garbage team with a top 5 QB? lol alright.
Look at their overall record and where their offense is. Despite a couple bad games, they are still among the top passing offenses in the NFL. I'll take that any day of the week.
(11-26-2021, 07:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville
2020: 1 win
2021: 2 wins with 7 games to go.
Gus was 4 and 4 his last 8 in year 1. I guess he was twice the coach of Urbz.
Comparing Ice Cream gus who had years of NFL experience to a rookie HC learning the ropes.
I also love how you don't bring up how much the defense has improved. YOu also fail to admit Gus went 2-14 his last year here. Carry on with your agenda.
(11-26-2021, 07:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:38 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]And if he wins 3 games next year, is he doing a good job? 4 games in the following year? In six years, maybe we'll be a .500 team?
Two wins is not remotely good enough given that he had 5 picks in the top 65 in the draft and more money in salary cap than any other team in the league. As someone else pointed out, one of the wins was largely thanks to Josh Allen -- a player Meyer inherited from last year. Most of Meyer's draft picks weren't even on the field.
They don't care about facts or reasoning. All they see is two wins. Who cares if we suck? We've doubled our win total. Let's just keep Meyer and maybe we'll be a good team by 2030.
Irony. The facts are they are doubled the win total and will probably win atleast 1 or 2 more. I don't care if the 2020 Jags had 300 more points than the 2021. Wins is what matters. Yes we still suck but I find it insane to give up on a plan in less than 1 years time. Meyer does need a whole new offensive staff, that I agree with.
(11-27-2021, 08:56 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Gus was 4 and 4 his last 8 in year 1. I guess he was twice the coach of Urbz.
Comparing Ice Cream gus who had years of NFL experience to a rookie HC learning the ropes.
I also love how you don't bring up how much the defense has improved. YOu also fail to admit Gus went 2-14 his last year here. Carry on with your agenda.
Gus was terrible, Urban is worse. Carry on with your lunacy.
(11-27-2021, 09:05 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]They don't care about facts or reasoning. All they see is two wins. Who cares if we suck? We've doubled our win total. Let's just keep Meyer and maybe we'll be a good team by 2030.
Irony. The facts are they are doubled the win total and will probably win atleast 1 or 2 more. I don't care if the 2020 Jags had 300 more points than the 2021. Wins is what matters. Yes we still suck but I find it insane to give up on a plan in less than 1 years time. Meyer does need a whole new offensive staff, that I agree with.
Lol, plan. Like there's an actual strategy to what those morons are doing.
(11-27-2021, 09:05 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]They don't care about facts or reasoning. All they see is two wins. Who cares if we suck? We've doubled our win total. Let's just keep Meyer and maybe we'll be a good team by 2030.
Irony. The facts are they are doubled the win total and will probably win atleast 1 or 2 more. I don't care if the 2020 Jags had 300 more points than the 2021. Wins is what matters. Yes we still suck but I find it insane to give up on a plan in less than 1 years time. Meyer does need a whole new offensive staff, that I agree with.
Some people would rather have marrone or gus back, and they have posted that. I'm not making that lunacy up. The coach urban hate by some in here is unbelievable. It's only year 1 so better buckle up.
I would rather hypothetically want to fantasise that some of you were reasonable fans that would want a coach to get a normal amount of time to build his team.
(11-27-2021, 09:32 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2021, 09:05 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Irony. The facts are they are doubled the win total and will probably win atleast 1 or 2 more. I don't care if the 2020 Jags had 300 more points than the 2021. Wins is what matters. Yes we still suck but I find it insane to give up on a plan in less than 1 years time. Meyer does need a whole new offensive staff, that I agree with.
Some people would rather have marrone or gus back, and they have posted that. I'm not making that lunacy up.
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Marrone was a better coach than Meyer. Bradley was too. But they both suck. They just suck less than Meyer.
I don't want either back and I never said I'd rather have them than Meyer. I'd rather Meyer complete his cycle of failure so we can move on to something better than all of the above.
The only issue at this point is whether Khan has the sand to move on after 1 year (or less) - OR - will he give this moron another year to wallow in ineptitude at the NFL level.
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