(11-25-2021, 11:15 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Khan gave Dave Caldwell 8 years with his abysmal record. There is no way we fire Meyer after one season. I would like to see a new offensive staff brought in.
The only way it happens IMO is if every season ticket holder pledges to cancel their subscription on X date unless the coach/GM are let go. Even then, I dunno if that's enough, but there has been zero growth among this team from week 1 to present. I might even say there's been regression, and that is unforgivable for a franchise that had so much potential to reverse course last January.
(11-26-2021, 11:02 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He also didn't hire him to make things worse, yet here we are.
I know math isn't a priority in some households so let me inform you that 2-8 is better than 1-15
@look at you thinking 15 losses still isn't in play@
(11-26-2021, 07:12 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He also didn't hire him to make things worse, yet here we are.
He has already doubled the win total.
(11-26-2021, 11:02 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I know math isn't a priority in some households so let me inform you that 2-8 is better than 1-15
Dont' bring them facts there in this arguement. They got their pitchforks and torches out.
this is the blind adherence to stats uber alles that shows zero analytical capability. Probably think that throwing for 120 yds with 1 TD 0 INT is better than 280 with 1 TD 1 INT because our horrendous QB's not throwing picks, right?
grape job.
(11-27-2021, 08:56 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Gus was 4 and 4 his last 8 in year 1. I guess he was twice the coach of Urbz. 
Comparing Ice Cream gus who had years of NFL experience to a rookie HC learning the ropes.
I also love how you don't bring up how much the defense has improved. YOu also fail to admit Gus went 2-14 his last year here. Carry on with your agenda.
Gus had just WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY less experience as an head coach than Urbz has had. I know you won't see this, but seriously, you're digging your heels in on some of the most boneheaded arguments that it is difficult to say you're not trolling, but I know you better than that. One of the greatest assurances from Urbz's most devout followers has been that he's proven he can win as an HC at multiple stops, so are you saying that college coaches do not have to evaluate players, scheme personnel, manage staff, handle public scrutiny, and all the other things that he's completely flopped on?
Urbz has the potential to go 2-15 in his first (last?) year here. No other first year coach has lost 15 games in their first year for the Jags. That would make him the worst ever under your simplistic standard, right?
(11-28-2021, 01:01 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 09:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This coach/FO was given a wealth of draft capital, free agency budget to spend, and the keys to the front office decision making.
"This roster" is squarely on Urban Meyer. He inherited a talent-poor roster.
He had great opportunity to radically alter it.
HE FAILED.
Of course they can't fix everything in one year and some draft picks take development time, but what we are seeing is abject failure.
This post speaks volumes on the irrational thoughts shared on this board
1. Declares a draft class a bust in just over half a season
2. Dave Caldwell had much more draft capital over the years but some of those same posters defend him.
3.This roster was void of talent on both sides of the ball. We also have a lot of injuries. This project was going to take time regardless.
Ok, w/r/t #1, using your ideal of Jimmy Johnson's first year, how many of his rookies were on the field that first year gaining experience and showing their potential? Did he choose to keep them all on the bench? We have seen next to nothing out of Little and Cisco in particular, and they are not able to play the injured card like Etienne, Tufele, or even Jordan Smith.
I don't think anyone has declared this darft a bust. An incomplete, maybe, but expectations at this stage of the year are that the rooks should have enough time to get their butts on the field, otherwise there is some organizational problem, whether that be inability to develop players, a refusal to let rookies on the field, or craptastic scouting before the picks were even made.
(11-29-2021, 01:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 04:49 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think I'm defending Meyer? If that's what you take from that, you're missing my point. I'm saying there has to be some rationality to how you evaluate it. Implying like FSG did that you have to start your draft picks or you did a bad job in the draft is not reasonable. There are experience factors that come into play, sometimes injuries and sometimes good players take a little longer to make the transition. Believe it or not, you CAN have a crappy coach who does some things right and good players who occasionally do things wrong.
No, I'm implying that a 2 and 8 football team should have their rookies on the field playing. If they were 8 and 2 right now I'd be fine with how they've handled them, but they aren't. The season is already lost and not getting the kids all the snaps is just getting an early start on ruining next year.
That's assuming they're ready to start. Frequently rookies outside of the top 3 rounds are speculative or projects. Playing them is not really buying you anything if you have veterans who are more equipped to play even if they don't have as much talent or potential to start with.
Thread title should read: "Hypothetical: Khan Becomes Competent NFL Owner"
(11-29-2021, 04:42 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021, 01:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]No, I'm implying that a 2 and 8 football team should have their rookies on the field playing. If they were 8 and 2 right now I'd be fine with how they've handled them, but they aren't. The season is already lost and not getting the kids all the snaps is just getting an early start on ruining next year.
That's assuming they're ready to start. Frequently rookies outside of the top 3 rounds are speculative or projects. Playing them is not really buying you anything if you have veterans who are more equipped to play even if they don't have as much talent or potential to start with.
We can disagree, I think we entered pre-season 2022 about 4 games ago and these young players should be on the field getting every rep they can.
(11-26-2021, 10:36 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He also didn't hire him to make things worse, yet here we are.
Agreed. When you make a team that was 1-15 worse than what they were, that gives more than enough grounds for firing. How hard is it to show some improvement from a team that was 1-15 the previous season? It should be pretty easy, yet Urban Meyer and Trent Baalke have done the impossible. They actually made us less competitive. Every time I think we've hit rock bottom, we achieve a new level of "suckage."
You must have forgotten how bad it was last year....
(11-26-2021, 02:04 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 11:02 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I know math isn't a priority in some households so let me inform you that 2-8 is better than 1-15
Records do not accurately describe if a team is better or worse. We scored 9 points in our win against Buffalo. 9 freakin points! In 95% of games, if you score 9 points you lose. We got lucky that Josh Allen played his tail off in that game. We barely beat a bad Miami team on a long, last second FG. Neither one of these wins were convincing. At least we could move the ball a little last season. This year the play calling is so vanilla that it's unwatchable. Three and out on nearly every series. That's not improvement. It's not even status quo.
(11-26-2021, 11:38 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville points scored per game:
2020: 19.1
2021: 15.9
Third Down conversions per game:
2020: 5.3
2021: 3.8
This is almost a 30% decrease from last year's miserable performances.
And those totals seem to drop every week.
well buffalo does have the #1 defense in points allowed...12 points per game....soooooo
(11-26-2021, 11:38 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville points scored per game:
2020: 19.1
2021: 15.9
Third Down conversions per game:
2020: 5.3
2021: 3.8
This is almost a 30% decrease from last year's miserable performances.
different players and different coaches....last year was really bad... defense couldn't stop a four year old....were hardly worse....
(11-26-2021, 07:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:38 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]And if he wins 3 games next year, is he doing a good job? 4 games in the following year? In six years, maybe we'll be a .500 team?
Two wins is not remotely good enough given that he had 5 picks in the top 65 in the draft and more money in salary cap than any other team in the league. As someone else pointed out, one of the wins was largely thanks to Josh Allen -- a player Meyer inherited from last year. Most of Meyer's draft picks weren't even on the field.
They don't care about facts or reasoning. All they see is two wins. Who cares if we suck? We've doubled our win total. Let's just keep Meyer and maybe we'll be a good team by 2030. 
go rewatch last season for a refresher....a lot of you have a short term memory... we are hardly worse...
Urban's dream job just opened up. He might just leave instead of being fired, lol.
(11-29-2021, 09:23 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]They don't care about facts or reasoning. All they see is two wins. Who cares if we suck? We've doubled our win total. Let's just keep Meyer and maybe we'll be a good team by 2030.
go rewatch last season for a refresher....a lot of you have a short term memory... we are hardly worse...
Not only are we worse, we have less hope since our hard won draft capital appears to have been squandered by the morons in the front office. But you just keep on digging in, after all your insults and baseless defense of this travesty it will make it so much more enjoyable when you finally come around.
(11-29-2021, 09:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021, 09:23 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]go rewatch last season for a refresher....a lot of you have a short term memory... we are hardly worse...
Not only are we worse, we have less hope since our hard won draft capital appears to have been squandered by the morons in the front office. But you just keep on digging in, after all your insults and baseless defense of this travesty it will make it so much more enjoyable when you finally come around.
lol you're such a clown....did Urban kick your dog...or worse...
(11-29-2021, 10:09 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021, 09:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Not only are we worse, we have less hope since our hard won draft capital appears to have been squandered by the morons in the front office. But you just keep on digging in, after all your insults and baseless defense of this travesty it will make it so much more enjoyable when you finally come around.
lol you're such a clown....did Urban kick your dog...or worse...
There you go again. For a clown I sure as hell have been right about pretty much everything so far this year. But hey, whatever insults you gotta' toss to make yourself feel better there hun, you just go for it. It's easy to accept your puny lashings when I know it's really just your own self flagellation for supporting such a loser. It's not me you're angry at, it's your own self you're angry with for allowing yourself to be conned. But redemption will be yours one day when this is all over and Urban, like Tebow and his acolytes before him, is just a bad memory for Jaguars fans.
(11-29-2021, 07:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021, 04:42 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]That's assuming they're ready to start. Frequently rookies outside of the top 3 rounds are speculative or projects. Playing them is not really buying you anything if you have veterans who are more equipped to play even if they don't have as much talent or potential to start with.
We can disagree, I think we entered pre-season 2022 about 4 games ago and these young players should be on the field getting every rep they can.
so long as they are not putting others at risk with their deficient talent, agreed wholeheartedly.
How do you know if those positions are fixed if you never see them play under the lights? We've had plenty of guys that show out in practice or preseason that seize up the moment they enter an actual game.
(11-29-2021, 08:47 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 10:36 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. When you make a team that was 1-15 worse than what they were, that gives more than enough grounds for firing. How hard is it to show some improvement from a team that was 1-15 the previous season? It should be pretty easy, yet Urban Meyer and Trent Baalke have done the impossible. They actually made us less competitive. Every time I think we've hit rock bottom, we achieve a new level of "suckage."
You must have forgotten how bad it was last year....
Not forgotten; expected to see improvement over.
(11-29-2021, 09:23 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 07:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]They don't care about facts or reasoning. All they see is two wins. Who cares if we suck? We've doubled our win total. Let's just keep Meyer and maybe we'll be a good team by 2030.
go rewatch last season for a refresher....a lot of you have a short term memory... we are hardly worse...
but we are also hardly better!!
Considering what we had to work with, we frittered away a ton of resources.
(11-29-2021, 09:38 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Urban's dream job just opened up. He might just leave instead of being fired, lol.
star light, star bright, first star I see tonight......
pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
Shad, make a HUGE donation to the ND Boosters so they can offer him a mega deal
(11-29-2021, 10:09 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021, 09:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Not only are we worse, we have less hope since our hard won draft capital appears to have been squandered by the morons in the front office. But you just keep on digging in, after all your insults and baseless defense of this travesty it will make it so much more enjoyable when you finally come around.
lol you're such a clown....did Urban kick your dog...or worse...
a convincing argument! well done.
2 wins means were twice as better, right?
(11-29-2021, 07:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021, 04:42 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]That's assuming they're ready to start. Frequently rookies outside of the top 3 rounds are speculative or projects. Playing them is not really buying you anything if you have veterans who are more equipped to play even if they don't have as much talent or potential to start with.
We can disagree, I think we entered pre-season 2022 about 4 games ago and these young players should be on the field getting every rep they can.
We can. But the bottom line is playing inexperienced backup-level talent buys you nothing over playing experienced backup-level talent. Where it does make sense to emphasize the younger guys is in the offseason when you're managing your salary cap. The Jags are going to continue to suck until they find some starter-level talent across the board, either via the draft of free agency.
(11-29-2021, 10:09 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021, 09:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Not only are we worse, we have less hope since our hard won draft capital appears to have been squandered by the morons in the front office. But you just keep on digging in, after all your insults and baseless defense of this travesty it will make it so much more enjoyable when you finally come around.
lol you're such a clown....did Urban kick your dog...or worse...
Failing to make a point is no reason to resort to personal attacks.
(11-30-2021, 11:43 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021, 07:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We can disagree, I think we entered pre-season 2022 about 4 games ago and these young players should be on the field getting every rep they can.
We can. But the bottom line is playing inexperienced backup-level talent buys you nothing over playing experienced backup-level talent. Where it does make sense to emphasize the younger guys is in the offseason when you're managing your salary cap. The Jags are going to continue to suck until they find some starter-level talent across the board, either via the draft of free agency.
(11-29-2021, 10:09 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]lol you're such a clown....did Urban kick your dog...or worse...
Failing to make a point is no reason to resort to personal attacks.
You know that the rookies are "inexperienced back up level talent"? Figured that out from all those reps we've seen or it is the complete trust in personnel management by this clown show that led you to that conclusion?
(11-30-2021, 01:59 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2021, 11:43 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]We can. But the bottom line is playing inexperienced backup-level talent buys you nothing over playing experienced backup-level talent. Where it does make sense to emphasize the younger guys is in the offseason when you're managing your salary cap. The Jags are going to continue to suck until they find some starter-level talent across the board, either via the draft of free agency.
Failing to make a point is no reason to resort to personal attacks.
You know that the rookies are "inexperienced back up level talent"? Figured that out from all those reps we've seen or it is the complete trust in personnel management by this clown show that led you to that conclusion?
Which rookies do you think are getting the raw deals? Or is this more an argument of "change anything because what they're doing isn't working". I get the latter although I don't necessarily agree with it. You should always put the players on the field who you think gives you the best chance to win even if the team sucks. If I were a coach, the last thing I'd consider is the player's age.