(11-27-2021, 09:05 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Irony. The facts are they are doubled the win total and will probably win atleast 1 or 2 more. I don't care if the 2020 Jags had 300 more points than the 2021. Wins is what matters. Yes we still suck but I find it insane to give up on a plan in less than 1 years time. Meyer does need a whole new offensive staff, that I agree with.
What makes you think they are winning another game this year? Possible...sure. Probable? Not with the ineptitude of the offense. There are no gimmies for the Jags.
(11-25-2021, 08:55 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]If Khan for some reason fires Meyer, do we clean house and fire Baalke too? Who would you want to replace Baalke and Urban?
board polls to replace both
we gonna be calling a whole bunch of corn, and oddly enough, pick blank #2 in the sixth AND seventh rounds.
(11-27-2021, 09:32 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2021, 09:05 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Irony. The facts are they are doubled the win total and will probably win atleast 1 or 2 more. I don't care if the 2020 Jags had 300 more points than the 2021. Wins is what matters. Yes we still suck but I find it insane to give up on a plan in less than 1 years time. Meyer does need a whole new offensive staff, that I agree with.
Some people would rather have marrone or gus back, and they have posted that. I'm not making that lunacy up. The coach urban hate by some in here is unbelievable. It's only year 1 so better buckle up.
I would rather hypothetically want to fantasise that some of you were reasonable fans that would want a coach to get a normal amount of time to build his team.
Either one would be better than Urbz, he's a total dumpster fire in just 8 months. Just a horrible coach, an awful personnel man, and an even worse person. I don't want him to have another day to inflict even more of his loser mentality and amateurish ways on this already failing franchise. Better to jettison him now than let him decimate another offseason.
Jimmy Johnsons first year he was 1-15. I bet most of you would of cried for him to be fired after year one. Aikman struggled as a rookie as well.
(11-27-2021, 09:32 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2021, 09:05 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Irony. The facts are they are doubled the win total and will probably win atleast 1 or 2 more. I don't care if the 2020 Jags had 300 more points than the 2021. Wins is what matters. Yes we still suck but I find it insane to give up on a plan in less than 1 years time. Meyer does need a whole new offensive staff, that I agree with.
Some people would rather have marrone or gus back, and they have posted that. I'm not making that lunacy up. The coach urban hate by some in here is unbelievable. It's only year 1 so better buckle up.
I would rather hypothetically want to fantasise that some of you were reasonable fans that would want a coach to get a normal amount of time to build his team.
I hear you brother. I have been through the ringer arguing with some of these know it ails dating back to JDR. I find if hilarious some on here still swear Caldwell is a good GM. They say that giving Caldwell a better part of a decade to ruin this team.
I don't know if this Urban Meyer plan will work. It's ironic many have already pegged this draft class a bust while also crying most rookies need atleast 3 years in other threads. It's insane to throw in the towel after 10 games. Urban is going through growing pains and has the ability to turn this team around. Urban gets atleast 2 years to see if this team is on an upward trend. If still bad this time next year that is a different story.
I would like to see Meyer hit the nuclear button. New GM and entirely new offensive staff.
The poster above is the definition of Delusional.
(11-27-2021, 10:30 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2021, 09:05 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Irony. The facts are they are doubled the win total and will probably win atleast 1 or 2 more. I don't care if the 2020 Jags had 300 more points than the 2021. Wins is what matters. Yes we still suck but I find it insane to give up on a plan in less than 1 years time. Meyer does need a whole new offensive staff, that I agree with.
What makes you think they are winning another game this year? Possible...sure. Probable? Not with the ineptitude of the offense. There are no gimmies for the Jags.
Playing devil's advocate, you could make the argument that first year coaches coming to a franchise with little talent are rarely successful. I don't think you could have found any coach or FO that could win more than 3 or 4 games with this roster. I don't think that alone is enough to retain Meyer but if you're trying to find a positive, that's the only one I can think of right now.
(11-28-2021, 08:28 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2021, 10:30 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]What makes you think they are winning another game this year? Possible...sure. Probable? Not with the ineptitude of the offense. There are no gimmies for the Jags.
Playing devil's advocate, you could make the argument that first year coaches coming to a franchise with little talent are rarely successful. I don't think you could have found any coach or FO that could win more than 3 or 4 games with this roster. I don't think that alone is enough to retain Meyer but if you're trying to find a positive, that's the only one I can think of right now.
This coach/FO was given a wealth of draft capital, free agency budget to spend, and the keys to the front office decision making.
"This roster" is squarely on Urban Meyer. He inherited a talent-poor roster.
He had great opportunity to radically alter it.
HE FAILED.
Of course they can't fix everything in one year and some draft picks take development time, but what we are seeing is abject failure.
(11-28-2021, 02:46 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I would like to see Meyer hit the nuclear button. New GM and entirely new offensive staff.
Again, why stop there? It shouldn't take you two years to see that he's not cut out for this. He had full control of the GM and the offensive staff and he blew it, along with our cap and draft capital. Why would you let him do it again? What's so great about Urban Meyer that you're willing to keep him on? I haven't seen a single thing that makes me think he's going to suddenly get better at this, what do you see specifically that you are pinning your hopes on?
(11-28-2021, 02:35 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Jimmy Johnsons first year he was 1-15. I bet most of you would of cried for him to be fired after year one. Aikman struggled as a rookie as well.
Lol, I seem to have missed the part where Urban traded to get a half dozen picks that became pro bowlers and HOF'rs.
And Rich Kotite was 3-13 his first year. He followed it up going 1-15 the next. Why don't you ever use him as a comparison to the Urban Error? Because both are probably the extreme opposite ends of the spectrum, but Urban is far more likely to be Kotite than Johnson.
(11-28-2021, 09:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 08:28 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Playing devil's advocate, you could make the argument that first year coaches coming to a franchise with little talent are rarely successful. I don't think you could have found any coach or FO that could win more than 3 or 4 games with this roster. I don't think that alone is enough to retain Meyer but if you're trying to find a positive, that's the only one I can think of right now.
This coach/FO was given a wealth of draft capital, free agency budget to spend, and the keys to the front office decision making.
"This roster" is squarely on Urban Meyer. He inherited a talent-poor roster.
He had great opportunity to radically alter it.
HE FAILED.
Of course they can't fix everything in one year and some draft picks take development time, but what we are seeing is abject failure.
This post speaks volumes on the irrational thoughts shared on this board
1. Declares a draft class a bust in just over half a season
2. Dave Caldwell had much more draft capital over the years but some of those same posters defend him.
3.This roster was void of talent on both sides of the ball. We also have a lot of injuries. This project was going to take time regardless.
(11-28-2021, 01:01 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 09:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This coach/FO was given a wealth of draft capital, free agency budget to spend, and the keys to the front office decision making.
"This roster" is squarely on Urban Meyer. He inherited a talent-poor roster.
He had great opportunity to radically alter it.
HE FAILED.
Of course they can't fix everything in one year and some draft picks take development time, but what we are seeing is abject failure.
This post speaks volumes on the irrational thoughts shared on this board
1. Declares a draft class a bust in just over half a season
2. Dave Caldwell had much more draft capital over the years but some of those same posters defend him.
3.This roster was void of talent on both sides of the ball. We also have a lot of injuries. This project was going to take time regardless.
Meyer had excellent draft capital and a ton of money for free agency. If he can't show significant improvement with those kind of resources, why should we think he will show significant improvement when those advantages no longer exist?
(11-28-2021, 09:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 08:28 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Playing devil's advocate, you could make the argument that first year coaches coming to a franchise with little talent are rarely successful. I don't think you could have found any coach or FO that could win more than 3 or 4 games with this roster. I don't think that alone is enough to retain Meyer but if you're trying to find a positive, that's the only one I can think of right now.
This coach/FO was given a wealth of draft capital, free agency budget to spend, and the keys to the front office decision making.
"This roster" is squarely on Urban Meyer. He inherited a talent-poor roster.
He had great opportunity to radically alter it.
HE FAILED.
Of course they can't fix everything in one year and some draft picks take development time, but what we are seeing is abject failure.
The argument to that is that you can't know for sure how the first year players will ultimately play out. I agree the arrow is pointing in the wrong direction but first year players struggling on a talent starved roster isn't unusual. A first year QB struggling isn't unusual.
The issues I have are with the selection of ETN, not because he got injured but because it was a pick that demonstrated lack of confidence in/understanding of James Robinson. There was very little attention paid to the offensive line and the TE position in the off season which was also problematic and the attempt to revamp the receiver corps resulted in disaster.
(11-28-2021, 02:06 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 09:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This coach/FO was given a wealth of draft capital, free agency budget to spend, and the keys to the front office decision making.
"This roster" is squarely on Urban Meyer. He inherited a talent-poor roster.
He had great opportunity to radically alter it.
HE FAILED.
Of course they can't fix everything in one year and some draft picks take development time, but what we are seeing is abject failure.
The argument to that is that you can't know for sure how the first year players will ultimately play out. I agree the arrow is pointing in the wrong direction but first year players struggling on a talent starved roster isn't unusual. A first year QB struggling isn't unusual.
The issues I have are with the selection of ETN, not because he got injured but because it was a pick that demonstrated lack of confidence in/understanding of James Robinson. There was very little attention paid to the offensive line and the TE position in the off season which was also problematic and the attempt to revamp the receiver corps resulted in disaster.
*First year players who can't get on the field with a talent starved roster.
If we could believe that Urbz was using this as an experience year then those guys would be playing. He clearly doesn't see it that way, which again calls into question what he thinks he is seeing. You don't redshirt rookies on a rebuilding team in the pros, you put them out there and let them play.
(11-28-2021, 02:06 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 09:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This coach/FO was given a wealth of draft capital, free agency budget to spend, and the keys to the front office decision making.
"This roster" is squarely on Urban Meyer. He inherited a talent-poor roster.
He had great opportunity to radically alter it.
HE FAILED.
Of course they can't fix everything in one year and some draft picks take development time, but what we are seeing is abject failure.
The argument to that is that you can't know for sure how the first year players will ultimately play out. I agree the arrow is pointing in the wrong direction but first year players struggling on a talent starved roster isn't unusual. A first year QB struggling isn't unusual.
The issues I have are with the selection of ETN, not because he got injured but because it was a pick that demonstrated lack of confidence in/understanding of James Robinson. There was very little attention paid to the offensive line and the TE position in the off season which was also problematic and the attempt to revamp the receiver corps resulted in disaster.
The "issues you have" are a pretty horrible indictment by themselves
(11-28-2021, 04:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 02:06 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]The argument to that is that you can't know for sure how the first year players will ultimately play out. I agree the arrow is pointing in the wrong direction but first year players struggling on a talent starved roster isn't unusual. A first year QB struggling isn't unusual.
The issues I have are with the selection of ETN, not because he got injured but because it was a pick that demonstrated lack of confidence in/understanding of James Robinson. There was very little attention paid to the offensive line and the TE position in the off season which was also problematic and the attempt to revamp the receiver corps resulted in disaster.
The "issues you have" are a pretty horrible indictment by themselves
Do you think I'm defending Meyer? If that's what you take from that, you're missing my point. I'm saying there has to be some rationality to how you evaluate it. Implying like FSG did that you have to start your draft picks or you did a bad job in the draft is not reasonable. There are experience factors that come into play, sometimes injuries and sometimes good players take a little longer to make the transition. Believe it or not, you CAN have a crappy coach who does some things right and good players who occasionally do things wrong.
Khan will not fire Meyer because Meyer was a great college coach.
What I mean is, everyone seems to agree that Meyer is a great recruiter. In order to be a great recruiter you need to be able to sell a program to top tier talent. Then the talent comes in and makes you a top tier program.
Well....Meyer is able to sell his program and vision to Khan. Khan believes (like those high school kids he talks to) and here we are.
I know I'm right, but God I hope Meyer is let go at the end of the season. He has no idea how to coach in the NFL and he doesn't show any signs that he can actually do it.
(11-28-2021, 01:01 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 09:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This coach/FO was given a wealth of draft capital, free agency budget to spend, and the keys to the front office decision making.
"This roster" is squarely on Urban Meyer. He inherited a talent-poor roster.
He had great opportunity to radically alter it.
HE FAILED.
Of course they can't fix everything in one year and some draft picks take development time, but what we are seeing is abject failure.
This post speaks volumes on the irrational thoughts shared on this board
1. Declares a draft class a bust in just over half a season
2. Dave Caldwell had much more draft capital over the years but some of those same posters defend him.
3.This roster was void of talent on both sides of the ball. We also have a lot of injuries. This project was going to take time regardless.
Do you even read before you type? The irony of this statement coming from you !
(11-28-2021, 04:49 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 04:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The "issues you have" are a pretty horrible indictment by themselves
Do you think I'm defending Meyer? If that's what you take from that, you're missing my point. I'm saying there has to be some rationality to how you evaluate it. Implying like FSG did that you have to start your draft picks or you did a bad job in the draft is not reasonable. There are experience factors that come into play, sometimes injuries and sometimes good players take a little longer to make the transition. Believe it or not, you CAN have a crappy coach who does some things right and good players who occasionally do things wrong.
No, I'm implying that a 2 and 8 football team should have their rookies on the field playing. If they were 8 and 2 right now I'd be fine with how they've handled them, but they aren't. The season is already lost and not getting the kids all the snaps is just getting an early start on ruining next year.
(11-28-2021, 08:23 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021, 01:01 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]This post speaks volumes on the irrational thoughts shared on this board
1. Declares a draft class a bust in just over half a season
2. Dave Caldwell had much more draft capital over the years but some of those same posters defend him.
3.This roster was void of talent on both sides of the ball. We also have a lot of injuries. This project was going to take time regardless.
Do you even read before you type? The irony of this statement coming from you !
It's laughable.
Not only did i not say what he attempts to attribute to me, HE has seventeen threads blathering about how bad a rookie QB is.
LOL