So you've got to figure that during that long interview yesterday that compensation and GM came up. Those are not left unspoken until contract time. If the snag is Baalke downplaying Byron on the ride home with the Khans then WTH?!?! Especially if it's true that the Khans prefer Leftwich but Baalke prefers Eberflus. Who owns the team?!?!
If the Jags muck this up I don't know if I can take it. I can just see it now, they trot out Eberflus or Hackett at a press conference, and announce new HC is teaming with GM Baalke who has signed an extension (while Baalke sits close by skinning and grinning).
(01-26-2022, 09:10 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2022, 09:01 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]It seems that Leftwich’s manager put out the leaks in order to put other candidates off when they interview. Is that the sort of leadership we want in Jacksonville?
That is not how it seems at all.
Quoted poster = JungleCatCrocodileDundee
It’s gonna be Byron, Khans are dumb but not that dumb to hold a Franchise hostage cause of a wack GM
Since they passed by the experienced HCs, Byron is easily the cream of the crop of the up and comers. I’ll be disappointed if it’s not him.
(01-26-2022, 10:22 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Since they passed by the experienced HCs, Byron is easily the cream of the crop of the up and comers. I’ll be disappointed if it’s not him.
Between him, Hackett and Moore. I agree. Leftwich has a lot more in favor going for him on paper. I think in another year or two that Joe Lombardi's name is going to rise up fast if Herbert and the Chargers can take another step or two forward.
(01-26-2022, 09:25 PM)CSTblank Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2022, 09:16 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Snow flake kickers. I say kick the kicker if it shows him how to kick. Hes not going to the hospital over it. He only has one job. Just kick the ball correct and give the team some reliable points. By the way, he denies that he kicked the kicker, and he says he has players that will back him up on that so there's that.
It was a joke….
Haha. Sorry. Friendly fire lol
(01-26-2022, 09:39 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2022, 09:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lolololol
I'd feel the same about Hackett as I do with Byron. I think both could be good for Trev and neither have HC experience
Cleatwood is a buffoon. Glad I blocked him because he post nothing but garbage. Too bad when he gets quoted I occasionally see his garbage spewed across my screen.
I notice these bullies on the board like him who insult people, never admit when they are wrong or own up to anything. Little man syndrome.
Dilla has not been right 100% of the time and gets many things wrong.
I see we have some common sense complications. Dilla, gene, Harvey, etc all said done deal with some even citing Dillas sources as correct/confirmed. Now the trolls come out spewing garbage like they have some sort of inside information/sources that confirmed otherwise. Be adults and smart ones. Stop pretending to be slow so we can have a respectable convo.
Almost every jags related source agreed and any decent business mind knows you never finalize without leverage. Now we hear of a second interview with a former retread Jags coach who had rodgers, and we have to sit thru this bs and wait.
If any of u think this makes sense outside of contract leverage with byron, u either agree with khan ruining this franchise or see some gem in hackett to say otherwise....Byron had winston n brady and put up stats with both. Who has hackett had and what did he do. cancel out brady for byron and rodgers for hackett to make it fair and ill wait
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(01-26-2022, 10:41 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2022, 09:39 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Cleatwood is a buffoon. Glad I blocked him because he post nothing but garbage. Too bad when he gets quoted I occasionally see his garbage spewed across my screen.
I notice these bullies on the board like him who insult people, never admit when they are wrong or own up to anything. Little man syndrome.
Dilla has not been right 100% of the time and gets many things wrong.
I see we have some common sense complications. Dilla, gene, Harvey, etc all said done deal with some even citing Dillas sources as correct/confirmed. Now the trolls come out spewing garbage like they have some sort of inside information/sources that confirmed otherwise. Be adults and smart ones. Stop pretending to be slow so we can have a respectable convo.
Almost every jags related source agreed and any decent business mind knows you never finalize without leverage. Now we hear of a second interview with a former retread Jags coach who had rodgers, and we have to sit thru this bs and wait.
If any of u think this makes sense outside of contract leverage with byron, u either agree with khan ruining this franchise or see some gem in hackett to say otherwise....Byron had winston n brady and put up stats with both. Who has hackett had and what did he do. cancel out brady for byron and rodgers for hackett to make it fair and ill wait
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Both of them did some pretty impressive things with two less than impressive QB's at this level. Winston and Bortles were decently touted coming out of college. Winston more so because of the national title win. I think it's fair to say Winston was and still is a better QB than Bortles.
So, to be fair? Leftwich has honestly worked with better QB's. Brady > Rodgers. Winston > Bortles. With that said. Hackett was also the QB coach here prior to taking the OC position. Outside of 2017 with that ridiculously loaded defense stacked against a suspect schedule with questionable QB's at that time?
He did alright with Bortles. Ultimately. Leftwich > Hackett. Just being honest. Leftwich has at least played on Superbowl winning teams, he's been a player on a team of that caliber and he's now coached alongside one in a very, very prominent role.
I like his approach to the game. I shared an article about this already in a different thread. They took a deep dive into his tendencies, his adjustments, his ability to compliment certain players when/if needed.
Again, my biggest concern. Level of talent. Jacksonville is not Tampa Bay. Nowhere near it roster wise. I wouldn't mind Leftwich. I just think the expectations need to be fair. If you think he's coming in here to be a trail blazer with Baalke still in this building? I have no hope for you. Even if you think he's coming in and Baalke is ultimately cut loose? Man, it's a lot to figure out.
I think you have to firmly commit to Leftwich for at least three years. Year one. Fix Lawrence. Build around Lawrence via FA and the draft. Year two. Establish legitimate consistency. Hover around a play-off spot. Year three. You have to make the play-offs. That would be my approach for now on with any new hire.
Had Meyer not behaved like Caligula? He would still have his job.
(01-26-2022, 03:45 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2022, 03:07 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]You really are stupid. Nothing in the post you quoted talked about race. Your a trash user. Make things up to argue against yourself. You talked about race first so believe you to be the real racist in disguse.
Agree with you. Normally racist bring up race first.
Guys. Ronster and JaguarLVP are on the same side here.
Choose wisely.
If those two don't want/like the hire of Byron then that just makes me want him even more.
For the love of the jaguar just hire leftwitch!
(01-26-2022, 01:21 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]And to add, I wasn't on this message board when Byron was QB so if this was a cesspool of racism back then, I missed it.
It wasn't.
There were some idots but not a cesspool.
The Great Leftwich v Garrard Debate proves this out.
(01-26-2022, 10:41 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2022, 09:39 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Cleatwood is a buffoon. Glad I blocked him because he post nothing but garbage. Too bad when he gets quoted I occasionally see his garbage spewed across my screen.
I notice these bullies on the board like him who insult people, never admit when they are wrong or own up to anything. Little man syndrome.
Dilla has not been right 100% of the time and gets many things wrong.
I see we have some common sense complications. Dilla, gene, Harvey, etc all said done deal with some even citing Dillas sources as correct/confirmed. Now the trolls come out spewing garbage like they have some sort of inside information/sources that confirmed otherwise. Be adults and smart ones. Stop pretending to be slow so we can have a respectable convo.
Almost every jags related source agreed and any decent business mind knows you never finalize without leverage. Now we hear of a second interview with a former retread Jags coach who had rodgers, and we have to sit thru this bs and wait.
If any of u think this makes sense outside of contract leverage with byron, u either agree with khan ruining this franchise or see some gem in hackett to say otherwise....Byron had winston n brady and put up stats with both. Who has hackett had and what did he do. cancel out brady for byron and rodgers for hackett to make it fair and ill wait
That's just speculation on your part and some members of the media. We don't know what's going on behind closed doors but if the Jags were sold on Byron he would be signed today. People were writing it like it was a done deal already. Clearly it isn't
I blame this thread for jinxing the hiring of Byron.
My guess is it's going to be Hackett because Baalke is gonna play off of Khans 2017 nostalgia and it's clear at this point Baalke has convinced Khan that the rest of the NFL is wrong about him being a bad GM.
(01-27-2022, 01:00 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is it's going to be Hackett because Baalke is gonna play off of Khans 2017 nostalgia and it's clear at this point Baalke has convinced Khan that the rest of the NFL is wrong about him being a bad GM.
The only way I’m not upset with this is if he brings Aaron with him. Which we know wouldn’t happen. And even if it did, we don’t have the surrounding cast around him. Either way, we lose.
But I’m with you. Idk why that guy made a thread prematurely.
(01-26-2022, 11:01 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2022, 10:41 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]I see we have some common sense complications. Dilla, gene, Harvey, etc all said done deal with some even citing Dillas sources as correct/confirmed. Now the trolls come out spewing garbage like they have some sort of inside information/sources that confirmed otherwise. Be adults and smart ones. Stop pretending to be slow so we can have a respectable convo.
Almost every jags related source agreed and any decent business mind knows you never finalize without leverage. Now we hear of a second interview with a former retread Jags coach who had rodgers, and we have to sit thru this bs and wait.
If any of u think this makes sense outside of contract leverage with byron, u either agree with khan ruining this franchise or see some gem in hackett to say otherwise....Byron had winston n brady and put up stats with both. Who has hackett had and what did he do. cancel out brady for byron and rodgers for hackett to make it fair and ill wait
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Both of them did some pretty impressive things with two less than impressive QB's at this level. Winston and Bortles were decently touted coming out of college. Winston more so because of the national title win. I think it's fair to say Winston was and still is a better QB than Bortles.
So, to be fair? Leftwich has honestly worked with better QB's. Brady > Rodgers. Winston > Bortles. With that said. Hackett was also the QB coach here prior to taking the OC position. Outside of 2017 with that ridiculously loaded defense stacked against a suspect schedule with questionable QB's at that time?
He did alright with Bortles. Ultimately. Leftwich > Hackett. Just being honest. Leftwich has at least played on Superbowl winning teams, he's been a player on a team of that caliber and he's now coached alongside one in a very, very prominent role.
I like his approach to the game. I shared an article about this already in a different thread. They took a deep dive into his tendencies, his adjustments, his ability to compliment certain players when/if needed.
Again, my biggest concern. Level of talent. Jacksonville is not Tampa Bay. Nowhere near it roster wise. I wouldn't mind Leftwich. I just think the expectations need to be fair. If you think he's coming in here to be a trail blazer with Baalke still in this building? I have no hope for you. Even if you think he's coming in and Baalke is ultimately cut loose? Man, it's a lot to figure out.
I think you have to firmly commit to Leftwich for at least three years. Year one. Fix Lawrence. Build around Lawrence via FA and the draft. Year two. Establish legitimate consistency. Hover around a play-off spot. Year three. You have to make the play-offs. That would be my approach for now on with any new hire.
Had Meyer not behaved like Caligula? He would still have his job.
i completely agree with your assessment and hackett did do wonders with blake. It may just be my distaste for retread jags personnel regarding hackett, but i have to admit cullen did a good job this year and skewed the odds a little.
I want an offensive mind, and wanted eric B last year; but with the player reports etc. around Byron, Im willing to see what he can do.
Ive always felt thats the way any new or tenured coach rebuilding a team should handle it as far as 3 year progress with a Good QB. Its hard to take any other perspective seriously, especially looking at this team and our history. Its like expectations are set with the hope, we can recreate another teams success with a different roster, players, coaching tree, and in a new league/new year. U take the good with the bad and assess to negate the losses and in turn gain more success. Whether thats faster than expected, yr 2 turnaround or not, u compare progress at years end with original expectations/goals.
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(01-27-2022, 01:00 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is it's going to be Hackett because Baalke is gonna play off of Khans 2017 nostalgia and it's clear at this point Baalke has convinced Khan that the rest of the NFL is wrong about him being a bad GM.
If it ends up being Hackett and Baalke, I'm gonna jump off a bridge! That would be as bad as hiring Jeff Fisher and Ryan Grigson.