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If you were a coach, would you want to be here? I would think giving a coach their first HC position would be one of the only ways to get anyone decent. Anyone who comes here clearly has the odds against them.

(02-03-2022, 06:39 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 06:29 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I understand it completely,  I never said I liked the way they went about this whole process, I haven't liked it at all.  They should of fired Baalke right after the season and then they could of likely got whoever they wanted with no issues with any of the candidates.  We don't know if Pederson was their first choice or not.  He was the first coach we brought in and it was rumored that Pederson didn't want to work for Baalke.  If Pederson said he he would of worked with Baalke he might of been offered the job first.  The reason Byron was offered the job is because he didn't say he wouldn't work with Baalke until the job was offered.  He should of brought it up in the first interview even though it would be awkward, or even in a private call. It was pretty clear from reports they knew Pederson didn't want to work with Baalke right off the bat.  Pederson was an afterthought from the first interview until Spielman came back into play.  Was rumored Tony Khan was also banging the table for Pederson

We know for a fact Pederson wasn’t the first choice because they didn’t offer him the job.

They offered it to Leftwich. And it wasn’t until a full month after Pedersons first interview and Leftwich telling them he didn’t want Baalke either did they circle back.

This is a disaster and no one is acting like we lost a SB winning coach. People are acting like the Jags have been incompetent the whole time and they let a good coach slip away. Regardless if you think Leftwich will be a good HC or not, they let a good coach who wanted to be here walk away because they can’t do anything right.

Where is this documented?  It's all rumoured here but I've seen it nowhere.  I put that gossip down to his agent trying to build hype and maximum interview opportunities that to genuine Jags leaking.  People here are jumping to the hype man's tune.  Follow the monied interests when considering leaks and you'll know where it's coming from and if it's worthwhile.

If Leftwich were lined up to interview with 6 of the 8 clubs then I would think the leaks are coming from the Jags as they try to convince everyone else to give up and pursue easier paths.  Seeing as Leftwich only got interviews with 2 of the 8 then I think it's much more likely the leaks are from his agent who is trying to get a few more clubs to talk to his guy.

(02-03-2022, 07:17 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 06:59 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We do have scouts there but i have faith in Spielman to draft some good players.  I'm sure he's been scouting most of these guys the whole college season.  Plus we have the combine coming up

Maybe I'm ignorant about the Senior Bowl, but aren't the most desirable players going to end up leaving early anyway and won't play in this game? You're certainly a better developed and more experienced player after 4 to 5 years in college, but on average the level of talent playing in the Senior Bowl is probably lower than the average level of talent of players leaving early because they're more desired.  I guess its good for the later round picks to eval this game?  Asking sincerely

I think you've got it. The Senior Bowl provides a stage for players who might be good options at all rounds. Like guys from small schools who have talent, but haven't received the visibility of other players.

(02-03-2022, 07:18 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 06:09 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]I like Leftwich but some people here and on twitter are acting like he is a sure thing, is he really? is he really the best HC candidate?

 Leftwich may end up being a successful HC eventually.

Thats my point.   I do not want a guy who "maybe" or "could be" or "should be"   a good HC.   I want a HC like Pederson or even Caldwell that have done it before at a high level.

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(02-03-2022, 07:20 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 05:58 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Or Sioux Bevell

Wait, let me get another bag of popcorn while I enjoy the hysteria.

Mrs Bevell your husband sucked as an OC here and didn't fair much better as a Head coach.  Just let it go.

(02-03-2022, 07:07 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 06:59 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We do have scouts there but i have faith in Spielman to draft some good players.  I'm sure he's been scouting most of these guys the whole college season.  Plus we have the combine coming up

Not in an efficient, effective manner.

If we had a caching staff in place, they could have discussed with the scouts exactly the type of players they are looking for at every position.  They could have conducted interviews with the players to get some insight as to their character, work ethic, etc.

Drafting effectively is hard enough as it is without the added disadvantage of not having a coach (possibly a GM) two days before the Senior Bowl.

They could be doing this already and the presentation of their views being the subject of the second interview.  That's a reasonable argument for there being a month between interviews.  Particularly if Pederson is bringing his core team with him.  if he's going to transform the Jags org then Kahn better have a good, deep look at the plans before accepting them given the [BLEEP] show that the last few coaches have served up.

If Pederson doesn't work out then Kahn can do a Balke/Bevell combo for another year.  Will serve up garbage but what's new?  Better to eat the garbage you know than have another UM bomb by picking the wrong guy in haste.

(02-03-2022, 07:26 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 06:39 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]We know for a fact Pederson wasn’t the first choice because they didn’t offer him the job.

They offered it to Leftwich. And it wasn’t until a full month after Pedersons first interview and Leftwich telling them he didn’t want Baalke either did they circle back.

This is a disaster and no one is acting like we lost a SB winning coach. People are acting like the Jags have been incompetent the whole time and they let a good coach slip away. Regardless if you think Leftwich will be a good HC or not, they let a good coach who wanted to be here walk away because they can’t do anything right.

Where is this documented?  It's all rumoured here but I've seen it nowhere.  I put that gossip down to his agent trying to build hype and maximum interview opportunities that to genuine Jags leaking.  People here are jumping to the hype man's tune.  Follow the monied interests when considering leaks and you'll know where it's coming from and if it's worthwhile.

If Leftwich were lined up to interview with 6 of the 8 clubs then I would think the leaks are coming from the Jags as they try to convince everyone else to give up and pursue easier paths.  Seeing as Leftwich only got interviews with 2 of the 8 then I think it's much more likely the leaks are from his agent who is trying to get a few more clubs to talk to his guy.

Great post! And I'd add that an entitled demand like firing the current GM to bring in your own guy will probably be reconsidered next time around.

(02-03-2022, 06:39 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 06:29 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I understand it completely,  I never said I liked the way they went about this whole process, I haven't liked it at all.  They should of fired Baalke right after the season and then they could of likely got whoever they wanted with no issues with any of the candidates.  We don't know if Pederson was their first choice or not.  He was the first coach we brought in and it was rumored that Pederson didn't want to work for Baalke.  If Pederson said he he would of worked with Baalke he might of been offered the job first.  The reason Byron was offered the job is because he didn't say he wouldn't work with Baalke until the job was offered.  He should of brought it up in the first interview even though it would be awkward, or even in a private call. It was pretty clear from reports they knew Pederson didn't want to work with Baalke right off the bat.  Pederson was an afterthought from the first interview until Spielman came back into play.  Was rumored Tony Khan was also banging the table for Pederson

We know for a fact Pederson wasn’t the first choice because they didn’t offer him the job.

This could have been because Pederson was an early interviewee who didn't want to work with Baalke, so they pursued other options - which led to Leftwich. And at what point did Leftwich say he wanted Baalke out and his preferred candidate in? From what I understand he was noncommittal about working with Baalke during the interview, so he didn't raise the concern about Baalke until later - perhaps after the initial offer was made.  

I don't think you can say for certain that Pederson wasn't a more desirable option than Leftwich. We just don't know that for certain.

Honestly, if the ball is dropped on Pederson, I would rather retain Bevell and the rest of the staff at this point, and that includes getting Cullen back. We’re going to end up doing this again next year, so at least let Lawrence stay in the same offense as opposed to having four head coaches and three offensive coordinators in his first three years in league.

https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/14893...73666?s=21

Some of you are really going to talk yourselves into Bisaccia or whatever his name is.

(02-03-2022, 07:27 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 07:17 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe I'm ignorant about the Senior Bowl, but aren't the most desirable players going to end up leaving early anyway and won't play in this game? You're certainly a better developed and more experienced player after 4 to 5 years in college, but on average the level of talent playing in the Senior Bowl is probably lower than the average level of talent of players leaving early because they're more desired.  I guess its good for the later round picks to eval this game?  Asking sincerely

I think you've got it. The Senior Bowl provides a stage for players who might be good options at all rounds. Like guys from small schools who have talent, but haven't received the visibility of other players.

The Senior bowl is the most over-hyped mess I keep reading about.  How many times have Jaguars coaches coached there and had scouts there?  Still didn't help us pick the right players most of the time.

(02-03-2022, 07:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/14893...73666?s=21

Some of you are really going to talk yourselves into Bisaccia or whatever his name is.

Heh, Jags fans always want whatever didn't happen.  This organisation (and the fan-base) need to do a George Costanza and do the complete opposite of every instinct.

(02-03-2022, 07:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/14893...73666?s=21

Some of you are really going to talk yourselves into Bisaccia or whatever his name is.

If they don't get Byron or pederson and baalke is still there next season I am going to have a very hard time supporting this team in any capacity

(02-03-2022, 07:40 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 07:27 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]I think you've got it. The Senior Bowl provides a stage for players who might be good options at all rounds. Like guys from small schools who have talent, but haven't received the visibility of other players.

The Senior bowl is the most over-hyped mess I keep reading about.  How many times have Jaguars coaches coached there and had scouts there?  Still didn't help us pick the right players most of the time.

Who said Jags coaches won't be there?  As far as I'm aware position coaches remain all across the team, only the DC roll being unfilled.

I really do think Pederson or Caldwell would be really good for this football team. With that said, we are the Jagwads. We will end up with somebody most of us will hate.

I know it’s not everything but I really liked how much Byron wanted this job and had a plan laid out of what he wanted to do.
Yes pederson was a better candidate prior to the process, but he had no interest in the job and is having to be persuaded to take it. The fact he interviewed 4 days ago and hasn’t been announced shows he’s not that keen even with the idea of Spielmen

(02-03-2022, 07:49 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]I know it’s not everything but I really liked how much Byron wanted this job and had a plan laid out of what he wanted to do.
Yes pederson was a better candidate prior to the process,  but he had no interest in the job and is having to be persuaded to take it. The fact he interviewed 4 days ago and hasn’t been announced shows he’s not that keen even with the idea of Spielmen

Or . . . it could take a few days to negotiate contracts for Pederson and Spielman both?

(02-03-2022, 07:43 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 07:40 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]The Senior bowl is the most over-hyped mess I keep reading about.  How many times have Jaguars coaches coached there and had scouts there?  Still didn't help us pick the right players most of the time.

Who said Jags coaches won't be there?  As far as I'm aware position coaches remain all across the team, only the DC roll being unfilled.

This is true. I also think candidates for jobs do go on their own to check out the prospects. Not really a big deal.

(02-03-2022, 07:51 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 07:49 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]I know it’s not everything but I really liked how much Byron wanted this job and had a plan laid out of what he wanted to do.
Yes pederson was a better candidate prior to the process,  but he had no interest in the job and is having to be persuaded to take it. The fact he interviewed 4 days ago and hasn’t been announced shows he’s not that keen even with the idea of Spielmen

Or . . . it could take a few days to negotiate contracts for Pederson and Spielman both?

He interviewed for the saints job the next day knowing at this stage he’s the only candidate for this job. he can’t of been begging for the job that much

There’s been talk that Spielman being fired from the Vikings was somewhat of a surprise, and had he stayed, Peterson would likely have been his first choice to replace Zimmer.

(02-03-2022, 06:39 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 06:29 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I understand it completely,  I never said I liked the way they went about this whole process, I haven't liked it at all.  They should of fired Baalke right after the season and then they could of likely got whoever they wanted with no issues with any of the candidates.  We don't know if Pederson was their first choice or not.  He was the first coach we brought in and it was rumored that Pederson didn't want to work for Baalke.  If Pederson said he he would of worked with Baalke he might of been offered the job first.  The reason Byron was offered the job is because he didn't say he wouldn't work with Baalke until the job was offered.  He should of brought it up in the first interview even though it would be awkward, or even in a private call. It was pretty clear from reports they knew Pederson didn't want to work with Baalke right off the bat.  Pederson was an afterthought from the first interview until Spielman came back into play.  Was rumored Tony Khan was also banging the table for Pederson

We know for a fact Pederson wasn’t the first choice because they didn’t offer him the job.

They offered it to Leftwich. And it wasn’t until a full month after Pedersons first interview and Leftwich telling them he didn’t want Baalke either did they circle back.

This is a disaster and no one is acting like we lost a SB winning coach. People are acting like the Jags have been incompetent the whole time and they let a good coach slip away. Regardless if you think Leftwich will be a good HC or not, they let a good coach who wanted to be here walk away because they can’t do anything right.

"Know for a fact"  lmao. Pederson didn't want the job because he didn't want to work with Baalke.  Just another reason they are going after Spielman and demoting Baalke imo.   I think Pederson was their first choice all along but he didn't want to work with Baalke.   The good coach did walk away but it looks like they can get him back with Spielman

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(02-03-2022, 07:34 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 06:39 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]We know for a fact Pederson wasn’t the first choice because they didn’t offer him the job.

This could have been because Pederson was an early interviewee who didn't want to work with Baalke, so they pursued other options - which led to Leftwich. And at what point did Leftwich say he wanted Baalke out and his preferred candidate in? From what I understand he was noncommittal about working with Baalke during the interview, so he didn't raise the concern about Baalke until later - perhaps after the initial offer was made.  

I don't think you can say for certain that Pederson wasn't a more desirable option than Leftwich. We just don't know that for certain.

Exactly, I think Pederson was their top guy all along, Spielman is the only thing that is saving their [BLEEP]

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(02-03-2022, 07:40 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2022, 07:27 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]I think you've got it. The Senior Bowl provides a stage for players who might be good options at all rounds. Like guys from small schools who have talent, but haven't received the visibility of other players.

The Senior bowl is the most over-hyped mess I keep reading about.  How many times have Jaguars coaches coached there and had scouts there?  Still didn't help us pick the right players most of the time.

Because we had the wrong guy.  We coached Carr and drafted Bortles.  Caldwell still might have his job today if we took Carr. Just one of many examples