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Probably not, in all seriousness.

But I strongly disagree with his ranking  of the top 5 QBs in the league.


e rates them


,  Josh Allen

2.  Justin Herbert

3.  Matt Stafford

4.  Aaron Rodgers

5.  Joe Burrow

I got worked up over this because I just debated my obnoxious Bills fan buddy in this very topic last night.

Like Acho, he asserted Josh Allen is the best QB in the AFC.


My contention is that Allen is, at best, the 3rd best QB in the AFC behind Mahomes and Burrow.



There is ZERO objective justification for Allen being better than Mahomes.



Statistically, Mahomes is vastly superior to Allen.  Here is a head to head comparison



https://stathead.com/tiny/NZ60x



As you can see, Mahomes has only played in 2 more games than Allen.  Yet he has He;s thrown for a higher completion rate, more yards, FORTY EIGHT (48) more TDs and NINE (9) FEWER INTs.  Even if you factor in the rushing totals (which favor Allen), Mahomes still accounts for 33 more total TDs than Allen.



From a won-loss perspective, the edge remains with Mahomes who has ELEVEN (11) more wins and EIGHT (8) FEWER losses than Allen.  He's won more than twice the playoff games (8-3) than Allen.  He's won the head to head matchups (3-1 counting the playoffs),  Mahomes has been to two Super Bowls, winning one.  Allen has yet to reach a Super Bowl, much less win one.



Mahomes has won more individual accolades than Allen.  Mahomes has won NFL MVP, been voted All Pro, voted to four Pro bowls, Super Bowl MVP, 2018 AP Off POY.  Allen can only claim 1 Pro Bowl to his credit.



Simply put, there is no objective criteria you can use to say Allen is better than Mahomes.



I submit that Burrow is better than Allen for two reasons:



1,  Because despite having a career half as long as Allen's in terms of when they entered the league, and playing in less than half of the games actually played, Burrow already has a Super Bowl appearance to his credit and has won as many playoff games (3-3)



2.  He was able to elevate a lesser team to greater heights than Allen.  Nobody felt coming into the season that Cincinnati was a better team overall than Buffalo.  It's doubtful many people now feel like Cincinnati is better overall than Buffalo.  Yet he managed to elevate a less talented Bengals team than Allen did with the Bills (this was HIS criteria, BTW, using Aaron Rodgers vs. Tom Brady to illustrate this point.



Oddly enough, dragging brady and Rodgers into the debate still doesn't help Allen in the analysis.  He loses out in every analysis to Aaron Rodgers in terms of Super bowls won, attended, individual accolades, head to head, overall WL record, to say nothing of GOAT Tom Brady.



Allen is an outstanding QB who has the possibility of winning a Super Bowl or two in his future (though I sure hope not).  That said, there i ZERO justification for ranking Allen as the best QB in football.

(02-20-2022, 01:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Probably not, in all seriousness.

But I strongly disagree with his ranking  of the top 5 QBs in the league.


e rates them


,  Josh Allen

2.  Justin Herbert

3.  Matt Stafford

4.  Aaron Rodgers

5.  Joe Burrow

I got worked up over this because I just debated my obnoxious Bills fan buddy in this very topic last night.

Like Acho, he asserted Josh Allen is the best QB in the AFC.


My contention is that Allen is, at best, the 3rd best QB in the AFC behind Mahomes and Burrow.



There is ZERO objective justification for Allen being better than Mahomes.



Statistically, Mahomes is vastly superior to Allen.  Here is a head to head comparison



https://stathead.com/tiny/NZ60x



As you can see, Mahomes has only played in 2 more games than Allen.  Yet he has He;s thrown for a higher completion rate, more yards, FORTY EIGHT (48) more TDs and NINE (9) FEWER INTs.  Even if you factor in the rushing totals (which favor Allen), Mahomes still accounts for 33 more total TDs than Allen.



From a won-loss perspective, the edge remains with Mahomes who has ELEVEN (11) more wins and EIGHT (8) FEWER losses than Allen.  He's won more than twice the playoff games (8-3) than Allen.  He's won the head to head matchups (3-1 counting the playoffs),  Mahomes has been to two Super Bowls, winning one.  Allen has yet to reach a Super Bowl, much less win one.



Mahomes has won more individual accolades than Allen.  Mahomes has won NFL MVP, been voted All Pro, voted to four Pro bowls, Super Bowl MVP, 2018 AP Off POY.  Allen can only claim 1 Pro Bowl to his credit.



Simply put, there is no objective criteria you can use to say Allen is better than Mahomes.



I submit that Burrow is better than Allen for two reasons:



1,  Because despite having a career half as long as Allen's in terms of when they entered the league, and playing in less than half of the games actually played, Burrow already has a Super Bowl appearance to his credit and has won as many playoff games (3-3)



2.  He was able to elevate a lesser team to greater heights than Allen.  Nobody felt coming into the season that Cincinnati was a better team overall than Buffalo.  It's doubtful many people now feel like Cincinnati is better overall than Buffalo.  Yet he managed to elevate a less talented Bengals team than Allen did with the Bills (this was HIS criteria, BTW, using Aaron Rodgers vs. Tom Brady to illustrate this point.



Oddly enough, dragging brady and Rodgers into the debate still doesn't help Allen in the analysis.  He loses out in every analysis to Aaron Rodgers in terms of Super bowls won, attended, individual accolades, head to head, overall WL record, to say nothing of GOAT Tom Brady.



Allen is an outstanding QB who has the possibility of winning a Super Bowl or two in his future (though I sure hope not).  That said, there i ZERO justification for ranking Allen as the best QB in football.

If I could take any QB in the league right now, I'd probably take Allen.

After reading your response I can conclude, yes he is on something I would like to try. (hopefully not crack though) OR he is writing articles just to be a contrary .... we have experience on this board with that tactic.

Mahomes has better stats than Allen but he also has 2 HOF players he's throwing to. Kelce is a top 5 All time TE and Hill is the fastest player in the league. I'm real curious to see how well Mahomes is when he doesn't have Hill and Kelce, although I think he's a great QB but I don't think he will be anywhere as good when he loses those 2.

(02-20-2022, 02:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes has better stats than Allen but he also has 2 HOF players he's throwing to.  Kelce is a top 5 All time TE and Hill is the fastest player in the league.  I'm real curious to see how well Mahomes is when he doesn't have Hill and Kelce, although I think he's a great QB but I don't think he will be anywhere as good when he loses those 2.

And having Diggs doesn’t help Allen? Or Keenan Allen and Mike Williams help Herbert?

Just curious. Who are your top 5 QBs in order?

(02-20-2022, 01:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Probably not, in all seriousness.

But I strongly disagree with his ranking  of the top 5 QBs in the league.


e rates them


,  Josh Allen

2.  Justin Herbert

3.  Matt Stafford

4.  Aaron Rodgers

5.  Joe Burrow

I got worked up over this because I just debated my obnoxious Bills fan buddy in this very topic last night.

Like Acho, he asserted Josh Allen is the best QB in the AFC.


My contention is that Allen is, at best, the 3rd best QB in the AFC behind Mahomes and Burrow.



There is ZERO objective justification for Allen being better than Mahomes.



Statistically, Mahomes is vastly superior to Allen.  Here is a head to head comparison



https://stathead.com/tiny/NZ60x



As you can see, Mahomes has only played in 2 more games than Allen.  Yet he has He;s thrown for a higher completion rate, more yards, FORTY EIGHT (48) more TDs and NINE (9) FEWER INTs.  Even if you factor in the rushing totals (which favor Allen), Mahomes still accounts for 33 more total TDs than Allen.



From a won-loss perspective, the edge remains with Mahomes who has ELEVEN (11) more wins and EIGHT (8) FEWER losses than Allen.  He's won more than twice the playoff games (8-3) than Allen.  He's won the head to head matchups (3-1 counting the playoffs),  Mahomes has been to two Super Bowls, winning one.  Allen has yet to reach a Super Bowl, much less win one.



Mahomes has won more individual accolades than Allen.  Mahomes has won NFL MVP, been voted All Pro, voted to four Pro bowls, Super Bowl MVP, 2018 AP Off POY.  Allen can only claim 1 Pro Bowl to his credit.



Simply put, there is no objective criteria you can use to say Allen is better than Mahomes.



I submit that Burrow is better than Allen for two reasons:



1,  Because despite having a career half as long as Allen's in terms of when they entered the league, and playing in less than half of the games actually played, Burrow already has a Super Bowl appearance to his credit and has won as many playoff games (3-3)



2.  He was able to elevate a lesser team to greater heights than Allen.  Nobody felt coming into the season that Cincinnati was a better team overall than Buffalo.  It's doubtful many people now feel like Cincinnati is better overall than Buffalo.  Yet he managed to elevate a less talented Bengals team than Allen did with the Bills (this was HIS criteria, BTW, using Aaron Rodgers vs. Tom Brady to illustrate this point.



Oddly enough, dragging brady and Rodgers into the debate still doesn't help Allen in the analysis.  He loses out in every analysis to Aaron Rodgers in terms of Super bowls won, attended, individual accolades, head to head, overall WL record, to say nothing of GOAT Tom Brady.



Allen is an outstanding QB who has the possibility of winning a Super Bowl or two in his future (though I sure hope not).  That said, there i ZERO justification for ranking Allen as the best QB in football.

Local sports talk radio was discussing this yesterday. Personally, I just think Acho was doing something outlandish to get attention. His list didn't make any sense and I think he knew ranking it that way and discussing it on national television was gonna get him a lot of exposure. Either that or he really is crazy.

(02-20-2022, 02:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 01:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Probably not, in all seriousness.

But I strongly disagree with his ranking  of the top 5 QBs in the league.


e rates them


,  Josh Allen

2.  Justin Herbert

3.  Matt Stafford

4.  Aaron Rodgers

5.  Joe Burrow

I got worked up over this because I just debated my obnoxious Bills fan buddy in this very topic last night.

Like Acho, he asserted Josh Allen is the best QB in the AFC.


My contention is that Allen is, at best, the 3rd best QB in the AFC behind Mahomes and Burrow.



There is ZERO objective justification for Allen being better than Mahomes.



Statistically, Mahomes is vastly superior to Allen.  Here is a head to head comparison



https://stathead.com/tiny/NZ60x



As you can see, Mahomes has only played in 2 more games than Allen.  Yet he has He;s thrown for a higher completion rate, more yards, FORTY EIGHT (48) more TDs and NINE (9) FEWER INTs.  Even if you factor in the rushing totals (which favor Allen), Mahomes still accounts for 33 more total TDs than Allen.



From a won-loss perspective, the edge remains with Mahomes who has ELEVEN (11) more wins and EIGHT (8) FEWER losses than Allen.  He's won more than twice the playoff games (8-3) than Allen.  He's won the head to head matchups (3-1 counting the playoffs),  Mahomes has been to two Super Bowls, winning one.  Allen has yet to reach a Super Bowl, much less win one.



Mahomes has won more individual accolades than Allen.  Mahomes has won NFL MVP, been voted All Pro, voted to four Pro bowls, Super Bowl MVP, 2018 AP Off POY.  Allen can only claim 1 Pro Bowl to his credit.



Simply put, there is no objective criteria you can use to say Allen is better than Mahomes.



I submit that Burrow is better than Allen for two reasons:



1,  Because despite having a career half as long as Allen's in terms of when they entered the league, and playing in less than half of the games actually played, Burrow already has a Super Bowl appearance to his credit and has won as many playoff games (3-3)



2.  He was able to elevate a lesser team to greater heights than Allen.  Nobody felt coming into the season that Cincinnati was a better team overall than Buffalo.  It's doubtful many people now feel like Cincinnati is better overall than Buffalo.  Yet he managed to elevate a less talented Bengals team than Allen did with the Bills (this was HIS criteria, BTW, using Aaron Rodgers vs. Tom Brady to illustrate this point.



Oddly enough, dragging brady and Rodgers into the debate still doesn't help Allen in the analysis.  He loses out in every analysis to Aaron Rodgers in terms of Super bowls won, attended, individual accolades, head to head, overall WL record, to say nothing of GOAT Tom Brady.



Allen is an outstanding QB who has the possibility of winning a Super Bowl or two in his future (though I sure hope not).  That said, there i ZERO justification for ranking Allen as the best QB in football.

If I could take any QB in the league right now, I'd probably take Allen.

Allen certainly would not be a bad choice to QB your team.

But to definitively assert Allen is the best QB in football-of the AFC for that matter without any semblance of objective criteria upon which to base it, is a losing proposition.

(02-20-2022, 04:23 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 02:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If I could take any QB in the league right now, I'd probably take Allen.

Allen certainly would not be a bad choice to QB your team.

But to definitively assert Allen is the best QB in football-of the AFC for that matter without any semblance of objective criteria upon which to base it, is a losing proposition.

Mahomes has been to 4 straight AFC title games, 2 SBs and won 1.

He also still hasn’t reached his peak yet considering he’s still young.

Until Allen can actually beat Mahomes in a meaningful game, he’s won’t be better in my eyes. Mahomes has the stats and the wins to backup his claim as best QB in the league.

(02-20-2022, 02:38 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]After reading your response I can conclude, yes he is on something I would like to try. (hopefully not crack though)  OR he is writing articles just to be a contrary .... we have experience on this board with that tactic.

Even if he's trying to be a contrarian, at least have some basis by which to support your opinion that goes against the dominant paradigm.

This is my 20th year on this board in its various iterations.  I have been the only one advancing a particular point of view on several occasions.  There have been times the entire board started off against me.

But despite those things, I've never been accused of being a troll.  Long winded?  Sure.  Arrogant?  Yeah.  A smart [BLEEP]?  Sure.  But never a troll.

The one thing that separates me from the Sioux guy on the main board is the ability/willingness to give supporting arguments for my assertions.  Similarly, Acho is certainly knowledgeable enough and intelligent enough to defend a contrarian position on football related matters...certainly more than I.

But he really didn't bother to do so.  He came across as a troll or, in my buddy's case, a complete homer.

(02-20-2022, 02:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes has better stats than Allen but he also has 2 HOF players he's throwing to. Kelce is a top 5 All time TE and Hill is the fastest player in the league. I'm real curious to see how well Mahomes is when he doesn't have Hill and Kelce, although I think he's a great QB but I don't think he will be anywhere as good when he loses those 2.

(02-20-2022, 03:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 02:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes has better stats than Allen but he also has 2 HOF players he's throwing to.  Kelce is a top 5 All time TE and Hill is the fastest player in the league.  I'm real curious to see how well Mahomes is when he doesn't have Hill and Kelce, although I think he's a great QB but I don't think he will be anywhere as good when he loses those 2.

And having Diggs doesn’t help Allen? Or Keenan Allen and Mike Williams help Herbert?

Just curious. Who are your top 5 QBs in order?

Exactly.

One of the reasons Daboll was on my radar in the first place is he was present when the Bills built around Allen. He was there when they built the O-Line. he was their when they added Diggs, Thomas, Knox, Sanders, Beasley. I wanted that knowledge here in Jacksonville when it came to building around TL.

To be clear, I do not assert that Mahomes does not benefit from having talent around him.

But, in the case of my buddy, if you go around all year saying the Bills are the best and that the Bills are going to the Super Bowl, then you go around talking about how Allen is the best QB in the AFC, only to find out under closer scrutiny he suffers mightily by comparison, don't then don't whine about any sort of talent disparity.

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(02-20-2022, 04:22 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 01:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Probably not, in all seriousness.

But I strongly disagree with his ranking  of the top 5 QBs in the league.


e rates them


,  Josh Allen

2.  Justin Herbert

3.  Matt Stafford

4.  Aaron Rodgers

5.  Joe Burrow

I got worked up over this because I just debated my obnoxious Bills fan buddy in this very topic last night.

Like Acho, he asserted Josh Allen is the best QB in the AFC.


My contention is that Allen is, at best, the 3rd best QB in the AFC behind Mahomes and Burrow.



There is ZERO objective justification for Allen being better than Mahomes.



Statistically, Mahomes is vastly superior to Allen.  Here is a head to head comparison



https://stathead.com/tiny/NZ60x



As you can see, Mahomes has only played in 2 more games than Allen.  Yet he has He;s thrown for a higher completion rate, more yards, FORTY EIGHT (48) more TDs and NINE (9) FEWER INTs.  Even if you factor in the rushing totals (which favor Allen), Mahomes still accounts for 33 more total TDs than Allen.



From a won-loss perspective, the edge remains with Mahomes who has ELEVEN (11) more wins and EIGHT (8) FEWER losses than Allen.  He's won more than twice the playoff games (8-3) than Allen.  He's won the head to head matchups (3-1 counting the playoffs),  Mahomes has been to two Super Bowls, winning one.  Allen has yet to reach a Super Bowl, much less win one.



Mahomes has won more individual accolades than Allen.  Mahomes has won NFL MVP, been voted All Pro, voted to four Pro bowls, Super Bowl MVP, 2018 AP Off POY.  Allen can only claim 1 Pro Bowl to his credit.



Simply put, there is no objective criteria you can use to say Allen is better than Mahomes.



I submit that Burrow is better than Allen for two reasons:



1,  Because despite having a career half as long as Allen's in terms of when they entered the league, and playing in less than half of the games actually played, Burrow already has a Super Bowl appearance to his credit and has won as many playoff games (3-3)



2.  He was able to elevate a lesser team to greater heights than Allen.  Nobody felt coming into the season that Cincinnati was a better team overall than Buffalo.  It's doubtful many people now feel like Cincinnati is better overall than Buffalo.  Yet he managed to elevate a less talented Bengals team than Allen did with the Bills (this was HIS criteria, BTW, using Aaron Rodgers vs. Tom Brady to illustrate this point.



Oddly enough, dragging brady and Rodgers into the debate still doesn't help Allen in the analysis.  He loses out in every analysis to Aaron Rodgers in terms of Super bowls won, attended, individual accolades, head to head, overall WL record, to say nothing of GOAT Tom Brady.



Allen is an outstanding QB who has the possibility of winning a Super Bowl or two in his future (though I sure hope not).  That said, there i ZERO justification for ranking Allen as the best QB in football.

Local sports talk radio was discussing this yesterday. Personally, I just think Acho was doing something outlandish to get attention. His list didn't make any sense and I think he knew ranking it that way and discussing it on national television was gonna get him a lot of exposure. Either that or he really is crazy.

Or a hopeless Bills homer, like my buddy, which is fine by me. 

I've won a lot of steak dinners due to his lack of objectivity over the years.

(02-20-2022, 03:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 02:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes has better stats than Allen but he also has 2 HOF players he's throwing to.  Kelce is a top 5 All time TE and Hill is the fastest player in the league.  I'm real curious to see how well Mahomes is when he doesn't have Hill and Kelce, although I think he's a great QB but I don't think he will be anywhere as good when he loses those 2.

And having Diggs doesn’t help Allen? Or Keenan Allen and Mike Williams help Herbert?

Just curious. Who are your top 5 QBs in order?

Those aren't HOF players. Mahomes also has Andy Reid
Being Brady retired, because of course he is at the top,  I'd probably go

1. Allen
2. Rodgers 
3. Mahomes
4. Burrow
5. Herbert

(02-20-2022, 05:46 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 03:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]And having Diggs doesn’t help Allen? Or Keenan Allen and Mike Williams help Herbert?

Just curious. Who are your top 5 QBs in order?

Those aren't HOF players. Mahomes also has Andy Reid
Being Brady retired, because of course he is at the top,  I'd probably go

1. Allen
2. Rodgers 
3. Mahomes
4. Burrow
5. Herbert

So upon what objective criteria are you basing your rankings?

(02-20-2022, 06:05 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 05:46 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Those aren't HOF players. Mahomes also has Andy Reid
Being Brady retired, because of course he is at the top,  I'd probably go

1. Allen
2. Rodgers 
3. Mahomes
4. Burrow
5. Herbert

So upon what objective criteria are you basing your rankings?

Who I feel is the best QBs right now.  Burrow is a little harder to tell because his line is so bad.  So you think Trevor is the worst QB because he had the worst stats?  I don't think so, i think coaching , WRs, and oline had a big play in why his stats wasn't that good

(02-20-2022, 05:46 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 03:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]And having Diggs doesn’t help Allen? Or Keenan Allen and Mike Williams help Herbert?

Just curious. Who are your top 5 QBs in order?

Those aren't HOF players. Mahomes also has Andy Reid
Being Brady retired, because of course he is at the top,  I'd probably go

1. Allen
2. Rodgers 
3. Mahomes
4. Burrow
5. Herbert

Just curious. What makes Rodgers better than Mahomes? He has a HOF WR on his team and yet can’t even make it to a SB in a far weaker conference than Mahomes.

To be honest, not sure you can have a wrong QB list unless your Acho who didn’t even include Mahomes in the top 5 which is ludicrous.

I think it’s a bit of regency bias here. Mahomes played his worst half of football in the AFC title game but when he beats Allen in the playoffs, we disregard that? Allen is really good. No doubt. But not sure anyone can claim he’s better than Mahomes when he can’t beat him.

(02-20-2022, 06:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 05:46 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Those aren't HOF players. Mahomes also has Andy Reid
Being Brady retired, because of course he is at the top,  I'd probably go

1. Allen
2. Rodgers 
3. Mahomes
4. Burrow
5. Herbert

Just curious. What makes Rodgers better than Mahomes? He has a HOF WR on his team and yet can’t even make it to a SB in a far weaker conference than Mahomes.

To be honest, not sure you can have a wrong QB list unless your Acho who didn’t even include Mahomes in the top 5 which is ludicrous.

I think it’s a bit of regency bias here. Mahomes played his worst half of football in the AFC title game but when he beats Allen in the playoffs, we disregard that? Allen is really good. No doubt. But not sure anyone can claim he’s better than Mahomes when he can’t beat him.

I think accuracy and what he has to work with.  Rodgers does have a ring and is a 4 time MVP.  I think if Rodgers had Kelce on that team and his top lineman they would of won the SB.  He beat Allen but it wasn't Allen's fault.  Allen had 9 TDs and 12 incompletions in his 2 playoff games.  Kelce was wide open for a reason I'll never understand and the Bills defense was to slow for Hill.  Mahomes looks like Brees and Rodgers, can't get it done when it matters the most.

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Every year the Packers do nothing to help Rodgers, draft a QB in the 1st. Every year the Chiefs load up on offense and do everything the can whether it be a RB in the 1st, WR in the 2nd, trade for a Pro Bowl LT and load up on the oline. Packers need to do more to help Rodgers on offense

(02-20-2022, 07:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 06:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Just curious. What makes Rodgers better than Mahomes? He has a HOF WR on his team and yet can’t even make it to a SB in a far weaker conference than Mahomes.

To be honest, not sure you can have a wrong QB list unless your Acho who didn’t even include Mahomes in the top 5 which is ludicrous.

I think it’s a bit of regency bias here. Mahomes played his worst half of football in the AFC title game but when he beats Allen in the playoffs, we disregard that? Allen is really good. No doubt. But not sure anyone can claim he’s better than Mahomes when he can’t beat him.

I think accuracy and what he has to work with.  Rodgers does have a ring and is a 4 time MVP.  I think if Rodgers had Kelce on that team and his top lineman they would of won the SB.  He beat Allen but it wasn't Allen's fault.  Allen had 9 TDs and 12 incompletions in his 2 playoff games.  Kelce was wide open for a reason I'll never understand and the Bills defense was to slow for Hill.  Mahomes looks like Brees and Rodgers, can't get it done when it matters the most.

And Allen can?

Mahomes has been a starter for 4 seasons and has been to 2 SBs and 4 straight AFC title games. How is that “can’t get it done when it matters most”?

The bar is so ridiculously high for Mahomes that if he doesn’t make the SB, it’s a failure. Josh Allen loses in round 2 and he’s the best QB now?

(02-20-2022, 07:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 07:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think accuracy and what he has to work with.  Rodgers does have a ring and is a 4 time MVP.  I think if Rodgers had Kelce on that team and his top lineman they would of won the SB.  He beat Allen but it wasn't Allen's fault.  Allen had 9 TDs and 12 incompletions in his 2 playoff games.  Kelce was wide open for a reason I'll never understand and the Bills defense was to slow for Hill.  Mahomes looks like Brees and Rodgers, can't get it done when it matters the most.

And Allen can?

Mahomes has been a starter for 4 seasons and has been to 2 SBs and 4 straight AFC title games. How is that “can’t get it done when it matters most”?

The bar is so ridiculously high for Mahomes that if he doesn’t make the SB, it’s a failure. Josh Allen loses in round 2 and he’s the best QB now?

Because he has 1 ring.  Allen wasn't the reason they lost, he took the lead with 13 seconds and the Bills defense couldn't cover the Chiefs 2 HOFs.  That Chiefs team is loaded not counting Mahomes.  I'm also not sure that was his worst half of his career.  The 1st half of the season he didn't look very good either. Switch Mahomes and Allen and I still think the Chiefs are the favorites

(02-20-2022, 07:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 07:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]And Allen can?

Mahomes has been a starter for 4 seasons and has been to 2 SBs and 4 straight AFC title games. How is that “can’t get it done when it matters most”?

The bar is so ridiculously high for Mahomes that if he doesn’t make the SB, it’s a failure. Josh Allen loses in round 2 and he’s the best QB now?

Because he has 1 ring.  Allen wasn't the reason they lost, he took the lead with 13 seconds and the Bills defense couldn't cover the Chiefs 2 HOFs.  That Chiefs team is loaded not counting Mahomes.  I'm also not sure that was his worst half of his career.  The 1st half of the season he didn't look very good either.  Switch Mahomes and Allen and I still think the Chiefs are the favorites

So is Mahomes the reason they lost the Super Bowl to Tampa?

At what point does Allen get criticised for not winning the big one just like every other QB?

Does Allen get any blame for losing to Jacksonville?

If Buffalo beats Jacksonville, and nothing else changes throughout the regular season, Buffalo hosts that game against Kansas City.

If that game is played in Buffalo in January, do the Chiefs still win?

(02-20-2022, 09:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 07:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Because he has 1 ring.  Allen wasn't the reason they lost, he took the lead with 13 seconds and the Bills defense couldn't cover the Chiefs 2 HOFs.  That Chiefs team is loaded not counting Mahomes.  I'm also not sure that was his worst half of his career.  The 1st half of the season he didn't look very good either.  Switch Mahomes and Allen and I still think the Chiefs are the favorites

So is Mahomes the reason they lost the Super Bowl to Tampa?

At what point does Allen get criticised for not winning the big one just like every other QB?

Does Allen get any blame for losing to Jacksonville?

If Buffalo beats Jacksonville, and nothing else changes throughout the regular season, Buffalo hosts that game against Kansas City.

If that game is played in Buffalo in January, do the Chiefs still win?

I never said Allen was perfect lol, no QB is.  But I think Allen is the best QB in the league right now.  No I don't think KC wins that game if it was in Buff.  Buff should of won when they took the lead with 13 seconds left but they left Kelce wide open and then couldn't keep up with Hill.  If Buff. won that game I think they would of beat Cincy and the Rams in the SB

(02-20-2022, 09:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2022, 09:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]So is Mahomes the reason they lost the Super Bowl to Tampa?

At what point does Allen get criticised for not winning the big one just like every other QB?

Does Allen get any blame for losing to Jacksonville?

If Buffalo beats Jacksonville, and nothing else changes throughout the regular season, Buffalo hosts that game against Kansas City.

If that game is played in Buffalo in January, do the Chiefs still win?

I never said Allen was perfect lol, no QB is.  But I think Allen is the best QB in the league right now.  No I don't think KC wins that game if it was in Buff.  Buff should of won when they took the lead with 13 seconds left but they left Kelce wide open and then couldn't keep up with Hill.  If Buff. won that game I think they would of beat Cincy and the Rams in the SB

But your reasoning for not saying Mahomes is the best is because he doesn’t show up when it matters most.

And yet Josh Allen, who got outplayed by Mahomes in the playoffs twice, is the best QB in the league. Do you not see the irony?