(03-09-2022, 08:24 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 06:02 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]I think we'd be foolish to cut Linder. OTH, why the heck is Hyde still on the roster???
NCJag's original e-mail is a little misleading in almost all of that cap savings results from Linder. Cutting Hyde would save us less than $2 million and that assumes we went with 52 players. Even if you factor a rookie minimum salary as his replacement, the savings comes to about $1.3 million. The savings is even less if we replace him with a veteran. The point is that there's no significant cap savings by cutting Hyde.
As for Linder, I wouldn't go as far to call it "foolish", but I would keep him. We already have a bunch of holes to fill on the team, let's not create more. We don't know how the draft will fall and I don't like reaching for a need. Rookies also sometimes take time to develop. If there's good value at center in the draft in the mid or late rounds, we can still take him. He can be a backup for a year and if he looks good, he can take over next year as our center for the future.
When he is on the field, Linder is a good player. I do not hold his injuries against him. AND, we just resigned his backup. To my mind, we should not cut a good player to save on the cap or because we're salty that he has been often injured. We don't need the cap space. We need good players on the Oline to protect our franchise qb. And this year IS a good year to draft a center (and guards). We should definitely do that, too.
My point about cutting Hyde is not about cap savings. It's because he adds no value. He's a waste of roster spot. We can sign a rookie that will give us more production.
(03-10-2022, 06:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that we should draft a center, but I do not think we should cut Linder. The goal of the offseason isn't to create cap space, it's to get a good team on the field in the fall. So unless we really need that cap space, which we don't at the moment, there is no need to cut our best center. Granted, down the road, if we come up with a better player for less money, then we can make a move, but to cut the guy just to create cap space, when we have loads of unused cap space already, would not be a good move in my opinion.
I agree, they don't need to cut him right now. They have plenty of cap room to sign free agents and Chark if they want to. If they cut him at all it should be in August because they've found someone better, or as good and cheaper.
(03-10-2022, 06:56 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 08:24 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]NCJag's original e-mail is a little misleading in almost all of that cap savings results from Linder. Cutting Hyde would save us less than $2 million and that assumes we went with 52 players. Even if you factor a rookie minimum salary as his replacement, the savings comes to about $1.3 million. The savings is even less if we replace him with a veteran. The point is that there's no significant cap savings by cutting Hyde.
As for Linder, I wouldn't go as far to call it "foolish", but I would keep him. We already have a bunch of holes to fill on the team, let's not create more. We don't know how the draft will fall and I don't like reaching for a need. Rookies also sometimes take time to develop. If there's good value at center in the draft in the mid or late rounds, we can still take him. He can be a backup for a year and if he looks good, he can take over next year as our center for the future.
When he is on the field, Linder is a good player. I do not hold his injuries against him. AND, we just resigned his backup. To my mind, we should not cut a good player to save on the cap or because we're salty that he has been often injured. We don't need the cap space. We need good players on the Oline to protect our franchise qb. And this year IS a good year to draft a center (and guards). We should definitely do that, too.
My point about cutting Hyde is not about cap savings. It's because he adds no value. He's a waste of roster spot. We can sign a rookie that will give us more production.
We are allowed to take 90 players to training camp. So there's no reason to cut Carlos Hyde until we actually have that "rookie that will give us more production."
I'd play Rock over Hyde. He looked good in our last game against the Colts.
(03-09-2022, 08:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 08:24 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]NCJag's original e-mail is a little misleading in almost all of that cap savings results from Linder. Cutting Hyde would save us less than $2 million and that assumes we went with 52 players. Even if you factor a rookie minimum salary as his replacement, the savings comes to about $1.3 million. The savings is even less if we replace him with a veteran. The point is that there's no significant cap savings by cutting Hyde.
As for Linder, I wouldn't go as far to call it "foolish", but I would keep him. We already have a bunch of holes to fill on the team, let's not create more. We don't know how the draft will fall and I don't like reaching for a need. Rookies also sometimes take time to develop. If there's good value at center in the draft in the mid or late rounds, we can still take him. He can be a backup for a year and if he looks good, he can take over next year as our center for the future.
We re-signed Shatley, so we really don't need Linder. Half the time we're rolling with Shatley anyway, because Linder is always hurt. Draft a Center and if he isn't ready, sit him behind Shatley until he is. This is a very, very talented Center class. I think we can find a very good one in that 3-5 round draft range.
Agree completely. roll with Shatley and bring in a prospect. League year doesn't begin till Monday, so I imagine we'll see a few cuts that day, including Linder and Hyde.
We can definitely find better veteran depth out there at RB, that was Urbz's pet hire and there will be a sense of finality when he's finally gone.
(03-10-2022, 07:18 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 06:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that we should draft a center, but I do not think we should cut Linder. The goal of the offseason isn't to create cap space, it's to get a good team on the field in the fall. So unless we really need that cap space, which we don't at the moment, there is no need to cut our best center. Granted, down the road, if we come up with a better player for less money, then we can make a move, but to cut the guy just to create cap space, when we have loads of unused cap space already, would not be a good move in my opinion.
I agree, they don't need to cut him right now. They have plenty of cap room to sign free agents and Chark if they want to. If they cut him at all it should be in August because they've found someone better, or as good and cheaper.
/Shatley waves
(03-10-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 06:56 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]When he is on the field, Linder is a good player. I do not hold his injuries against him. AND, we just resigned his backup. To my mind, we should not cut a good player to save on the cap or because we're salty that he has been often injured. We don't need the cap space. We need good players on the Oline to protect our franchise qb. And this year IS a good year to draft a center (and guards). We should definitely do that, too.
My point about cutting Hyde is not about cap savings. It's because he adds no value. He's a waste of roster spot. We can sign a rookie that will give us more production.
We are allowed to take 90 players to training camp. So there's no reason to cut Carlos Hyde until we actually have that "rookie that will give us more production."
I have two reasons.
1) He quit on us in his first go-round, refusing to answer the bell when his number was called. Honestly, I don't know how he's still employed in the league after that episode. From that day forward I considered him untouchable.
2) If Urbz didn't have the job last year, he'd have never re-signed with us. Try to guess how many snaps he played after Urbz got canned.
(03-10-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 06:56 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]When he is on the field, Linder is a good player. I do not hold his injuries against him. AND, we just resigned his backup. To my mind, we should not cut a good player to save on the cap or because we're salty that he has been often injured. We don't need the cap space. We need good players on the Oline to protect our franchise qb. And this year IS a good year to draft a center (and guards). We should definitely do that, too.
My point about cutting Hyde is not about cap savings. It's because he adds no value. He's a waste of roster spot. We can sign a rookie that will give us more production.
We are allowed to take 90 players to training camp. So there's no reason to cut Carlos Hyde until we actually have that "rookie that will give us more production."
We’d already know that Hyde sucks. He has sucked during both tenures here. Time to take out the garbage.
(03-10-2022, 09:40 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]We are allowed to take 90 players to training camp. So there's no reason to cut Carlos Hyde until we actually have that "rookie that will give us more production."
I have two reasons.
1) He quit on us in his first go-round, refusing to answer the bell when his number was called. Honestly, I don't know how he's still employed in the league after that episode. From that day forward I considered him untouchable.
2) If Urbz didn't have the job last year, he'd have never re-signed with us. Try to guess how many snaps he played after Urbz got canned.
Yep, [BLEEP] Carlos Hyde. Get him out of here.
(03-10-2022, 09:34 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 08:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]We re-signed Shatley, so we really don't need Linder. Half the time we're rolling with Shatley anyway, because Linder is always hurt. Draft a Center and if he isn't ready, sit him behind Shatley until he is. This is a very, very talented Center class. I think we can find a very good one in that 3-5 round draft range.
Agree completely. roll with Shatley and bring in a prospect. League year doesn't begin till Monday, so I imagine we'll see a few cuts that day, including Linder and Hyde.
We can definitely find better veteran depth out there at RB, that was Urbz's pet hire and there will be a sense of finality when he's finally gone.
(03-10-2022, 07:18 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, they don't need to cut him right now. They have plenty of cap room to sign free agents and Chark if they want to. If they cut him at all it should be in August because they've found someone better, or as good and cheaper.
/Shatley waves
I don't think Linder gets cut
(03-10-2022, 07:18 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 06:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that we should draft a center, but I do not think we should cut Linder. The goal of the offseason isn't to create cap space, it's to get a good team on the field in the fall. So unless we really need that cap space, which we don't at the moment, there is no need to cut our best center. Granted, down the road, if we come up with a better player for less money, then we can make a move, but to cut the guy just to create cap space, when we have loads of unused cap space already, would not be a good move in my opinion.
I agree, they don't need to cut him right now. They have plenty of cap room to sign free agents and Chark if they want to. If they cut him at all it should be in August because they've found someone better, or as good and cheaper.
I'd try to get as much cap savings as we can, because my intention would be to work a trade to either get WR Amari Cooper, WR D.K. Metcalf or WR Tyler Lockett and sign them to a long term deal upon their arrival. I desperately want a true #1 veteran WR and I don't see any in free agency anymore.
(03-10-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 06:56 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]When he is on the field, Linder is a good player. I do not hold his injuries against him. AND, we just resigned his backup. To my mind, we should not cut a good player to save on the cap or because we're salty that he has been often injured. We don't need the cap space. We need good players on the Oline to protect our franchise qb. And this year IS a good year to draft a center (and guards). We should definitely do that, too.
My point about cutting Hyde is not about cap savings. It's because he adds no value. He's a waste of roster spot. We can sign a rookie that will give us more production.
We are allowed to take 90 players to training camp. So there's no reason to cut Carlos Hyde until we actually have that "rookie that will give us more production."
That certainly wouldn't be very hard. Hyde sucks.
(03-10-2022, 10:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 07:18 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, they don't need to cut him right now. They have plenty of cap room to sign free agents and Chark if they want to. If they cut him at all it should be in August because they've found someone better, or as good and cheaper.
I'd try to get as much cap savings as we can, because my intention would be to work a trade to either get WR Amari Cooper, WR D.K. Metcalf or WR Tyler Lockett and sign them to a long term deal upon their arrival. I desperately want a true #1 veteran WR and I don't see any in free agency anymore.
(03-10-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]We are allowed to take 90 players to training camp. So there's no reason to cut Carlos Hyde until we actually have that "rookie that will give us more production."
That certainly wouldn't be very hard. Hyde sucks.
Given that Hyde rushed for 253 yards on 72 carries (3.5 YPC) in 12 games (21 yards a game) and Ryquell Armstead ran for 80 yards on 15 carries in TWO games (40 yards per game), I guess his replacement is already ON the team. Plus, Carlos will be 32 when the season starts. He's gone
(03-10-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 06:56 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]When he is on the field, Linder is a good player. I do not hold his injuries against him. AND, we just resigned his backup. To my mind, we should not cut a good player to save on the cap or because we're salty that he has been often injured. We don't need the cap space. We need good players on the Oline to protect our franchise qb. And this year IS a good year to draft a center (and guards). We should definitely do that, too.
My point about cutting Hyde is not about cap savings. It's because he adds no value. He's a waste of roster spot. We can sign a rookie that will give us more production.
We are allowed to take 90 players to training camp. So there's no reason to cut Carlos Hyde until we actually have that "rookie that will give us more production."
Keeping bad players for no reason is not smart.
Literally any UDFA RB can do what Hyde did but likely better and with fresh legs. Hyde only came to this team because of Urban and he can leave now that Urban is gone.
Not to kick a hyde when hes already getting it here, but he had a fumble or 2 that really cost the jags last season if I I'm remembering correctly
(03-10-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 06:56 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]When he is on the field, Linder is a good player. I do not hold his injuries against him. AND, we just resigned his backup. To my mind, we should not cut a good player to save on the cap or because we're salty that he has been often injured. We don't need the cap space. We need good players on the Oline to protect our franchise qb. And this year IS a good year to draft a center (and guards). We should definitely do that, too.
My point about cutting Hyde is not about cap savings. It's because he adds no value. He's a waste of roster spot. We can sign a rookie that will give us more production.
We are allowed to take 90 players to training camp. So there's no reason to cut Carlos Hyde until we actually have that "rookie that will give us more production."
Hyde is junk and needs to go.
Go into camp/season with JRob, ETN, Rock Armstead and use one of those 6th round picks on a RB.
(03-10-2022, 10:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 07:18 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, they don't need to cut him right now. They have plenty of cap room to sign free agents and Chark if they want to. If they cut him at all it should be in August because they've found someone better, or as good and cheaper.
I'd try to get as much cap savings as we can, because my intention would be to work a trade to either get WR Amari Cooper, WR D.K. Metcalf or WR Tyler Lockett and sign them to a long term deal upon their arrival. I desperately want a true #1 veteran WR and I don't see any in free agency anymore.
(03-10-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]We are allowed to take 90 players to training camp. So there's no reason to cut Carlos Hyde until we actually have that "rookie that will give us more production."
That certainly wouldn't be very hard. Hyde sucks.
He is just a salary guy, they can cut him whenever they want, no need to rush it. If they simply must get his cap savings they can make it happen with a snap of the fingers. Stop trying to cut good players for no reason, this team needs as many as it can get.
(03-10-2022, 07:15 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 10:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'd try to get as much cap savings as we can, because my intention would be to work a trade to either get WR Amari Cooper, WR D.K. Metcalf or WR Tyler Lockett and sign them to a long term deal upon their arrival. I desperately want a true #1 veteran WR and I don't see any in free agency anymore.
That certainly wouldn't be very hard. Hyde sucks.
He is just a salary guy, they can cut him whenever they want, no need to rush it. If they simply must get his cap savings they can make it happen with a snap of the fingers. Stop trying to cut good players for no reason, this team needs as many as it can get.
For what Hyde offers as a runner at this stage of his career, Armstead could provide us with a fraction of the price.
(03-10-2022, 07:19 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 07:15 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]He is just a salary guy, they can cut him whenever they want, no need to rush it. If they simply must get his cap savings they can make it happen with a snap of the fingers. Stop trying to cut good players for no reason, this team needs as many as it can get.
For what Hyde offers as a runner at this stage of his career, Armstead could provide us with a fraction of the price.
I was talking about Linder, I'd cut Hyde yesterday, he bad.
Cut Hyde and Linder once a better replacement is on the roster.
(03-10-2022, 07:15 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 10:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'd try to get as much cap savings as we can, because my intention would be to work a trade to either get WR Amari Cooper, WR D.K. Metcalf or WR Tyler Lockett and sign them to a long term deal upon their arrival. I desperately want a true #1 veteran WR and I don't see any in free agency anymore.
That certainly wouldn't be very hard. Hyde sucks.
He is just a salary guy, they can cut him whenever they want, no need to rush it. If they simply must get his cap savings they can make it happen with a snap of the fingers. Stop trying to cut good players for no reason, this team needs as many as it can get.
I thought we were talking about Carlos Hyde....?