(04-22-2022, 02:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 01:24 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke just said we are considering 4 players at the #1 pick.
The fact that we're only 6 days out from the draft and we still have 4 guys in play for the #1 pick shows why we are the worst run franchise in the NFL. I could see if they were waffling between 2 guys, but 4? That's ridiculous!
That could be as much a function of there not being a clear cut #1 on the board as it is organizational incompetence.
There's no franchise QB, and if there were, we'd pass on him because we just drafted TL last year, we'd be working on a trade back.
There's no Myles Garrett/Julius Peppers type edge rusher available. If you are right, there's no dominant LT type, either.
In light of all that, I could see there being some indecision, especially if there is disagreement between Baalke and Pederson.
For that matter, it''s smoke season. While they may not have decided yet, it's possible they have and are trying to throw people off the trail. No matter what the facts are, I just hope Baalke listens to the scuts and the coaches when deciding who to take with the pick.
(04-22-2022, 02:25 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Sauce is gonna be better than all of them
You may be right.
(04-22-2022, 02:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 01:24 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke just said we are considering 4 players at the #1 pick.
The fact that we're only 6 days out from the draft and we still have 4 guys in play for the #1 pick shows why we are the worst run franchise in the NFL. I could see if they were waffling between 2 guys, but 4? That's ridiculous!
Of course Baalke, or any GM hoping for a trade offer, would say something like this....don't believe anything you hear at this point before the draft.
(04-22-2022, 02:16 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that we're only 6 days out from the draft and we still have 4 guys in play for the #1 pick shows why we are the worst run franchise in the NFL. I could see if they were waffling between 2 guys, but 4? That's ridiculous!
If you've been following a couple of people with ties to the team:
Caldwell and defensive coordinators want Hutch.
Baalke wants Walker.
Doug wants Icky.
My guess is Neal would be the 4th player.
Then there's this:
https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...TCIzn2bUjQ
That to me, shows complete dysfunction. As for the 4th guy, I disagree. I believe it has to be Ahmad Gardner. He's probably the best player in the entire draft. I don't see how anyone can't see that. He's literally the perfect CB. He has size, speed, fluid movement was a total lockdown corner in college. He never allowed a TD in his college career and allowed just 131 yards receiving in 14 games last year. What more could anyone ask out of a CB? He and Hutchinson are far and away the best players in the draft.
(04-22-2022, 01:24 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke just said we are considering 4 players at the #1 pick.
That's ridiculous. At this point, they know who they are taking unless they get a trade offer between now and draft day.
My hope is that they can make that trade since there is really no clear number 1 player in this draft. The only team I could see possibly agreeing to a trade is Detroit due to their Hutchinson connection. I would ask for picks 2 and 34 and if they decline I'd even take their high 3rd round pick. I would then try to immediately trade pick 2 to a team wanting their #1 quarterback prospect- likely Willis. Seattle and Atlanta would be the teams I'd call since they both have a top 10 pick plus two 2nd rounders. The price would be their 1st this year (picks 8 or 9), a 2nd and 3rd this year plus a 2nd next year. If either team loves Willis, I believe they'd strongly consider this trade. The Jags then have a top 10 pick, two 2nd rounders and four 3rd rounders plus a 2nd next year. With the top 10 pick, I take either Jermaine Johnson or Jameson Williams. I'd then likely use at least one of my 3rd rounders to move back up into the 2nd round giving them three 2nd rounders.
The key is whether the Lions love Hutchinson enough to give up their high 2nd or 3rd rounder. Considering the importance of culture to the new head coach, I believe they do this since Hutchinson would become the face of their franchise and provide leadership. If the Jaguars make that trade but are unable to trade pick 2 in the draft, I'd take Neal or Ekwonu. I'd be fine with either of those linemen if the Jaguars stay at pick one, but Hutchinson would be my pick at the moment. No way I take Walker at pick one or two and I'd be really angry if Baalke does this.
My perfect scenario is that they execute both trades in round 1 and then trade back up into the 2nd to give them:
Rd. 1: Jameson Williams
Rd. 2: Arnold Ebiketie , Chad Muma and Trey McBride
Rd. 3: Jamaree Salyer, Alec Pierce , Cam Jurgens
In the first 3 rounds, they have drafted the best receiver, the best tight end, a top 3 middle linebacker, a tall receiver who can stretch the field, a potentially elite pass rusher who still needs to improve against the run and two excellent interior offensive linemen- one who can compete with Shatley at center right away. With the remaining picks, they need to address running back and add another linebacker. I'd like to see them package their late rounders to get an additional 4th or 5th rounder.
The chances of something like this happening is undoubtably very remote. However, stranger things have been know to happen and if Baalke pulls this off I'd never say a bad thing about him again!
(04-22-2022, 02:28 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that we're only 6 days out from the draft and we still have 4 guys in play for the #1 pick shows why we are the worst run franchise in the NFL. I could see if they were waffling between 2 guys, but 4? That's ridiculous!
That could be as much a function of there not being a clear cut #1 on the board as it is organizational incompetence.
There's no franchise QB, and if there were, we'd pass on him because we just drafted TL last year, we'd be working on a trade back.
There's no Myles Garrett/Julius Peppers type edge rusher available. If you are right, there's no dominant LT type, either.
In light of all that, I could see there being some indecision, especially if there is disagreement between Baalke and Pederson.
For that matter, it''s smoke season. While they may not have decided yet, it's possible they have and are trying to throw people off the trail. No matter what the facts are, I just hope Baalke listens to the scuts and the coaches when deciding who to take with the pick.
(04-22-2022, 02:25 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Sauce is gonna be better than all of them
You may be right.
There might not be a Julius Peppers type in this draft, but there is a Jared Allen type (Hutchinson) and there is a clear cut #1 at CB (Gardner.) IMO, those are clearly the only 2 guys who should be considered for the #1 overall pick. I just don't get it. I believe they are the BAP's in this draft by a mile.
(04-22-2022, 02:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:28 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]That could be as much a function of there not being a clear cut #1 on the board as it is organizational incompetence.
There's no franchise QB, and if there were, we'd pass on him because we just drafted TL last year, we'd be working on a trade back.
There's no Myles Garrett/Julius Peppers type edge rusher available. If you are right, there's no dominant LT type, either.
In light of all that, I could see there being some indecision, especially if there is disagreement between Baalke and Pederson.
For that matter, it''s smoke season. While they may not have decided yet, it's possible they have and are trying to throw people off the trail. No matter what the facts are, I just hope Baalke listens to the scuts and the coaches when deciding who to take with the pick.
You may be right.
There might not be a Julius Peppers type in this draft, but there is a Jared Allen type (Hutchinson) and there is a clear cut #1 at CB (Gardner.) IMO, those are clearly the only 2 guys who should be considered for the #1 overall pick. I just don't get it. I believe they are the BAP's in this draft by a mile.
Taking that at face value, there may not be the separation on their board that you hav on yours. It may be close enough to where there is still room for discussion. I don't think CB has ever gone #1 overall (at least not since I have followed the draft), and that includes guys like Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson, or Darrelle Revis. Thoough I like Gardner, I'm not sure how favorably he compares with those guys. Ditto with Hutchinsn and some of the more productive DEs.
At the end of the day, the lack of a choice at this point, if true, still may not have anything to do with dysfunction in the FO. They were decisive as hell last year. That didn't make the FO any more competent.
TBH I don't care if they haven't made their choice some 6 days out. I'm okay with it as long as they make the absolute right choices during the draft.
(04-22-2022, 02:08 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that we're only 6 days out from the draft and we still have 4 guys in play for the #1 pick shows why we are the worst run franchise in the NFL. I could see if they were waffling between 2 guys, but 4? That's ridiculous!
The fact that you aren't taking anything said with a grain of salt from any GM a week before the draft is ridiculous! Good grief.
Exactly lol. He was laughing out loud when he said they don't know who they want at 1. They know who they are taking at 1
(04-22-2022, 02:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 01:24 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke just said we are considering 4 players at the #1 pick.
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Yup
(04-22-2022, 02:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:16 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]If you've been following a couple of people with ties to the team:
Caldwell and defensive coordinators want Hutch.
Baalke wants Walker.
Doug wants Icky.
My guess is Neal would be the 4th player.
Then there's this:
https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...TCIzn2bUjQ
That to me, shows complete dysfunction. As for the 4th guy, I disagree. I believe it has to be Ahmad Gardner. He's probably the best player in the entire draft. I don't see how anyone can't see that. He's literally the perfect CB. He has size, speed, fluid movement was a total lockdown corner in college. He never allowed a TD in his college career and allowed just 131 yards receiving in 14 games last year. What more could anyone ask out of a CB? He and Hutchinson are far and away the best players in the draft.
https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1517584648871849986?s=20&t=Jc0WXCuItRDpbXuLLroavw
https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...bXuLLroavw
Eye of the beholder, I suppose
(04-22-2022, 02:54 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]There might not be a Julius Peppers type in this draft, but there is a Jared Allen type (Hutchinson) and there is a clear cut #1 at CB (Gardner.) IMO, those are clearly the only 2 guys who should be considered for the #1 overall pick. I just don't get it. I believe they are the BAP's in this draft by a mile.
Taking that at face value, there may not be the separation on their board that you hav on yours. It may be close enough to where there is still room for discussion. I don't think CB has ever gone #1 overall (at least not since I have followed the draft), and that includes guys like Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson, or Darrelle Revis. Thoough I like Gardner, I'm not sure how favorably he compares with those guys. Ditto with Hutchinsn and some of the more productive DEs.
At the end of the day, the lack of a choice at this point, if true, still may not have anything to do with dysfunction in the FO. They were decisive as hell last year. That didn't make the FO any more competent.
TBH I don't care if they haven't made their choice some 6 days out. I'm okay with it as long as they make the absolute right choices during the draft.
No, a CB has never gone #1 overall, but had NFL teams known how those guys had turned out, I bet they would have, if given a do-over. Personally, I have compared Gardner to Revis on several occasions. I think "Sauce" is in the same discussion with all those CB's you mentioned.
As far as Hutchinson, it's not so much of how much better he is than say, Thibodeaux or Johnson, it's just that I feel his floor is so much higher than those guys and he is a perfect scheme fit, unlike Walker who would have to learn a whole new position, if drafted to be a 3-4 OLB. I think Hutchinson is a very good player, maybe not elite, but I think he's a very safe pick. I don't see any bust factor with him. I think his floor is more of a Ryan Kerrigan type career. That's why I believe if we go edge rusher, he has to be the pick. This team cannot have another first round bust. It just seems like that happens to us time after time.
They were very decisive last season as far as the #1 overall pick, because just about
EVERYONE had Lawrence as the top pick. That one was a no-brainer. As far as Etienne, that was probably a whole different story that we may never be privy to. If rumors are true that the head coach wants one guy, the GM wants another and the rest of the coaching staff wants another guy, that is clearly dysfunction. These guys need to get on the same page.
I agree, but if they truly have that many guys they are still choosing from, it makes me less sure that they will make the right choice.
(04-22-2022, 03:08 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:08 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that you aren't taking anything said with a grain of salt from any GM a week before the draft is ridiculous! Good grief.
Exactly lol. He was laughing out loud when he said they don't know who they want at 1. They know who they are taking at 1
(04-22-2022, 02:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
Yup
If this was any team other than ours, I might believe that regarding this particular issue. This is the Jaguars though. We have a decade long history of dysfunction. Anything is possible with this team.
(04-22-2022, 03:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:54 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Taking that at face value, there may not be the separation on their board that you hav on yours. It may be close enough to where there is still room for discussion. I don't think CB has ever gone #1 overall (at least not since I have followed the draft), and that includes guys like Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson, or Darrelle Revis. Thoough I like Gardner, I'm not sure how favorably he compares with those guys. Ditto with Hutchinsn and some of the more productive DEs.
At the end of the day, the lack of a choice at this point, if true, still may not have anything to do with dysfunction in the FO. They were decisive as hell last year. That didn't make the FO any more competent.
TBH I don't care if they haven't made their choice some 6 days out. I'm okay with it as long as they make the absolute right choices during the draft.
No, a CB has never gone #1 overall, but had NFL teams known how those guys had turned out, I bet they would have, if given a do-over. Personally, I have compared Gardner to Revis on several occasions. I think "Sauce" is in the same discussion with all those CB's you mentioned.
As far as Hutchinson, it's not so much of how much better he is than say, Thibodeaux or Johnson, it's just that I feel his floor is so much higher than those guys and he is a perfect scheme fit, unlike Walker who would have to learn a whole new position, if drafted to be a 3-4 OLB. I think Hutchinson is a very good player, maybe not elite, but I think he's a very safe pick. I don't see any bust factor with him. I think his floor is more of a Ryan Kerrigan type career. That's why I believe if we go edge rusher, he has to be the pick. This team cannot have another first round bust. It just seems like that happens to us time after time.
They were very decisive last season as far as the #1 overall pick, because just about EVERYONE had Lawrence as the top pick. That one was a no-brainer. As far as Etienne, that was probably a whole different story that we may never be privy to. If rumors are true that the head coach wants one guy, the GM wants another and the rest of the coaching staff wants another guy, that is clearly dysfunction. These guys need to get on the same page.
I agree, but if they truly have that many guys they are still choosing from, it makes me less sure that they will make the right choice.
As long as they pick a guy who belongs in the first five picks, it's okay. There's just not that much difference at the top this year.
(04-22-2022, 03:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That to me, shows complete dysfunction. As for the 4th guy, I disagree. I believe it has to be Ahmad Gardner. He's probably the best player in the entire draft. I don't see how anyone can't see that. He's literally the perfect CB. He has size, speed, fluid movement was a total lockdown corner in college. He never allowed a TD in his college career and allowed just 131 yards receiving in 14 games last year. What more could anyone ask out of a CB? He and Hutchinson are far and away the best players in the draft.
https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1517584648871849986?s=20&t=Jc0WXCuItRDpbXuLLroavw
https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...bXuLLroavw
Eye of the beholder, I suppose
Based on what? I need context. I'll believe the dysfunction is gone when they prove it. I sincerely hope it is over though. I'm tired of being the laughing stock of the NFL. I liked it better when ESPN and NFL Network ignored us. For the past few seasons when they ran a story about us, it was usually something bad.
(04-22-2022, 03:59 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 03:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]No, a CB has never gone #1 overall, but had NFL teams known how those guys had turned out, I bet they would have, if given a do-over. Personally, I have compared Gardner to Revis on several occasions. I think "Sauce" is in the same discussion with all those CB's you mentioned.
As far as Hutchinson, it's not so much of how much better he is than say, Thibodeaux or Johnson, it's just that I feel his floor is so much higher than those guys and he is a perfect scheme fit, unlike Walker who would have to learn a whole new position, if drafted to be a 3-4 OLB. I think Hutchinson is a very good player, maybe not elite, but I think he's a very safe pick. I don't see any bust factor with him. I think his floor is more of a Ryan Kerrigan type career. That's why I believe if we go edge rusher, he has to be the pick. This team cannot have another first round bust. It just seems like that happens to us time after time.
They were very decisive last season as far as the #1 overall pick, because just about EVERYONE had Lawrence as the top pick. That one was a no-brainer. As far as Etienne, that was probably a whole different story that we may never be privy to. If rumors are true that the head coach wants one guy, the GM wants another and the rest of the coaching staff wants another guy, that is clearly dysfunction. These guys need to get on the same page.
I agree, but if they truly have that many guys they are still choosing from, it makes me less sure that they will make the right choice.
As long as they pick a guy who belongs in the first five picks, it's okay. There's just not that much difference at the top this year.
So...... as long as they pick from Aiden Hutchinson, Ahmad Gardner, Kyle Hamilton, Jameson Williams or Kayvon Thibodeaux?
(04-22-2022, 03:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:54 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Taking that at face value, there may not be the separation on their board that you hav on yours. It may be close enough to where there is still room for discussion. I don't think CB has ever gone #1 overall (at least not since I have followed the draft), and that includes guys like Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson, or Darrelle Revis. Thoough I like Gardner, I'm not sure how favorably he compares with those guys. Ditto with Hutchinsn and some of the more productive DEs.
At the end of the day, the lack of a choice at this point, if true, still may not have anything to do with dysfunction in the FO. They were decisive as hell last year. That didn't make the FO any more competent.
TBH I don't care if they haven't made their choice some 6 days out. I'm okay with it as long as they make the absolute right choices during the draft.
No, a CB has never gone #1 overall, but had NFL teams known how those guys had turned out, I bet they would have, if given a do-over. Personally, I have compared Gardner to Revis on several occasions. I think "Sauce" is in the same discussion with all those CB's you mentioned.
As far as Hutchinson, it's not so much of how much better he is than say, Thibodeaux or Johnson, it's just that I feel his floor is so much higher than those guys and he is a perfect scheme fit, unlike Walker who would have to learn a whole new position, if drafted to be a 3-4 OLB. I think Hutchinson is a very good player, maybe not elite, but I think he's a very safe pick. I don't see any bust factor with him. I think his floor is more of a Ryan Kerrigan type career. That's why I believe if we go edge rusher, he has to be the pick. This team cannot have another first round bust. It just seems like that happens to us time after time.
They were very decisive last season as far as the #1 overall pick, because just about EVERYONE had Lawrence as the top pick. That one was a no-brainer. As far as Etienne, that was probably a whole different story that we may never be privy to. If rumors are true that the head coach wants one guy, the GM wants another and the rest of the coaching staff wants another guy, that is clearly dysfunction. These guys need to get on the same page.
I agree, but if they truly have that many guys they are still choosing from, it makes me less sure that they will make the right choice.
(04-22-2022, 03:08 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly lol. He was laughing out loud when he said they don't know who they want at 1. They know who they are taking at 1
Yup
If this was any team other than ours, I might believe that regarding this particular issue. This is the Jaguars though. We have a decade long history of dysfunction. Anything is possible with this team.
How stupid. So 31 other teams can be talking out their [BLEEP], but the fact that the Jaguars are doing it, it's 'dysfunction'.
Peter Schrager and 99% of the sportswriters are real good after the fact. If you look at what they said before things occurred they are quite a dysfunctional group. The other 1% are on this board we are always right...
(04-22-2022, 02:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That to me, shows complete dysfunction. As for the 4th guy, I disagree. I believe it has to be Ahmad Gardner. He's probably the best player in the entire draft. I don't see how anyone can't see that. He's literally the perfect CB. He has size, speed, fluid movement was a total lockdown corner in college. He never allowed a TD in his college career and allowed just 131 yards receiving in 14 games last year. What more could anyone ask out of a CB? He and Hutchinson are far and away the best players in the draft.
A couple of weeks ago, I posted that I would not take a CB at #1 because of positional value. I'm still generally biased in that direction. But Sauce probably is the best player in this draft. As such, I couldn't hate it if he were the pick. I'd have to be happy that we got a very good player, even though I prefer someone else.
1. Hutch
2. Sauce
3. Icke
4. Neal
5. Thibs
I think it’s pretty hilarious that people are getting upset over what Trent said, there was literally nothing wrong with it. It’s obvious he was fishing for trade offers.
I actually thought he spoke pretty well in that interview. The chances are they do probably like 4 guys about equal. It’s also almost a certainty that they know who they’re taking at 1 if they stay there.
I know most people hate Baalke, but can we at least be a bit positive before the draft. I personally think they drafted well last year, and have done very well in this years free agency.
(04-22-2022, 08:05 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]I think it’s pretty hilarious that people are getting upset over what Trent said, there was literally nothing wrong with it. It’s obvious he was fishing for trade offers.
I actually thought he spoke pretty well in that interview. The chances are they do probably like 4 guys about equal. It’s also almost a certainty that they know who they’re taking at 1 if they stay there.
I know most people hate Baalke, but can we at least be a bit positive before the draft. I personally think they drafted well last year, and have done very well in this years free agency.
Well if it’s true that the DCor wants Hutch, Doug wants Icke and Baalke wants Walker it’d be par for the course. Baalke…he bad
(04-22-2022, 03:59 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 03:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]No, a CB has never gone #1 overall, but had NFL teams known how those guys had turned out, I bet they would have, if given a do-over. Personally, I have compared Gardner to Revis on several occasions. I think "Sauce" is in the same discussion with all those CB's you mentioned.
As far as Hutchinson, it's not so much of how much better he is than say, Thibodeaux or Johnson, it's just that I feel his floor is so much higher than those guys and he is a perfect scheme fit, unlike Walker who would have to learn a whole new position, if drafted to be a 3-4 OLB. I think Hutchinson is a very good player, maybe not elite, but I think he's a very safe pick. I don't see any bust factor with him. I think his floor is more of a Ryan Kerrigan type career. That's why I believe if we go edge rusher, he has to be the pick. This team cannot have another first round bust. It just seems like that happens to us time after time.
They were very decisive last season as far as the #1 overall pick, because just about EVERYONE had Lawrence as the top pick. That one was a no-brainer. As far as Etienne, that was probably a whole different story that we may never be privy to. If rumors are true that the head coach wants one guy, the GM wants another and the rest of the coaching staff wants another guy, that is clearly dysfunction. These guys need to get on the same page.
I agree, but if they truly have that many guys they are still choosing from, it makes me less sure that they will make the right choice.
As long as they pick a guy who belongs in the first five picks, it's okay. There's just not that much difference at the top this year.
Dude, you’re nuts!! Hutch is the real deal; Baalke better not screw this up..
(04-22-2022, 04:36 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 03:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]No, a CB has never gone #1 overall, but had NFL teams known how those guys had turned out, I bet they would have, if given a do-over. Personally, I have compared Gardner to Revis on several occasions. I think "Sauce" is in the same discussion with all those CB's you mentioned.
As far as Hutchinson, it's not so much of how much better he is than say, Thibodeaux or Johnson, it's just that I feel his floor is so much higher than those guys and he is a perfect scheme fit, unlike Walker who would have to learn a whole new position, if drafted to be a 3-4 OLB. I think Hutchinson is a very good player, maybe not elite, but I think he's a very safe pick. I don't see any bust factor with him. I think his floor is more of a Ryan Kerrigan type career. That's why I believe if we go edge rusher, he has to be the pick. This team cannot have another first round bust. It just seems like that happens to us time after time.
They were very decisive last season as far as the #1 overall pick, because just about EVERYONE had Lawrence as the top pick. That one was a no-brainer. As far as Etienne, that was probably a whole different story that we may never be privy to. If rumors are true that the head coach wants one guy, the GM wants another and the rest of the coaching staff wants another guy, that is clearly dysfunction. These guys need to get on the same page.
I agree, but if they truly have that many guys they are still choosing from, it makes me less sure that they will make the right choice.
If this was any team other than ours, I might believe that regarding this particular issue. This is the Jaguars though. We have a decade long history of dysfunction. Anything is possible with this team.
How stupid. So 31 other teams can be talking out their [BLEEP], but the fact that the Jaguars are doing it, it's 'dysfunction'.
Given our history, yes. We've proven time after time over the last decade that our front office and ownership is dysfunctional, so I'm predisposed to think this way. After it happens over and over, you're naturally gonna be skeptical of anything positive.
(04-22-2022, 07:06 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That to me, shows complete dysfunction. As for the 4th guy, I disagree. I believe it has to be Ahmad Gardner. He's probably the best player in the entire draft. I don't see how anyone can't see that. He's literally the perfect CB. He has size, speed, fluid movement was a total lockdown corner in college. He never allowed a TD in his college career and allowed just 131 yards receiving in 14 games last year. What more could anyone ask out of a CB? He and Hutchinson are far and away the best players in the draft.
A couple of weeks ago, I posted that I would not take a CB at #1 because of positional value. I'm still generally biased in that direction. But Sauce probably is the best player in this draft. As such, I couldn't hate it if he were the pick. I'd have to be happy that we got a very good player, even though I prefer someone else.
That's a very reasonable response.
(04-22-2022, 07:06 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That to me, shows complete dysfunction. As for the 4th guy, I disagree. I believe it has to be Ahmad Gardner. He's probably the best player in the entire draft. I don't see how anyone can't see that. He's literally the perfect CB. He has size, speed, fluid movement was a total lockdown corner in college. He never allowed a TD in his college career and allowed just 131 yards receiving in 14 games last year. What more could anyone ask out of a CB? He and Hutchinson are far and away the best players in the draft.
A couple of weeks ago, I posted that I would not take a CB at #1 because of positional value. I'm still generally biased in that direction. But Sauce probably is the best player in this draft. As such, I couldn't hate it if he were the pick. I'd have to be happy that we got a very good player, even though I prefer someone else.
But cornerback is top tier positional value...