(04-23-2022, 11:26 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 06:34 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]History repeats itself....see link below. Take Evan Neal guys
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=10706
I don't understand how this suggests we should take Neal. You advocated Mariotta who would have been a terrible pick. Is the lesson learned that we shouldn't trust your judgment?
Take a look 2 posts up, I tried to explain there best I could. At the time of that post I wanted anyone but Fowler. Yes, now looking back at the past it is funny. So you have been correct 100% of the time with your opinions? Cool
(04-23-2022, 11:35 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 11:26 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand how this suggests we should take Neal. You advocated Mariotta who would have been a terrible pick. Is the lesson learned that we shouldn't trust your judgment?
Take a look 2 posts up, I tried to explain there best I could. At the time of that post I wanted anyone but Fowler. Yes, now looking back at the past it is funny. So you have been correct 100% of the time with your opinions? Cool
No, my predictions have not always been 100% correct, just like everyone else on this planet. However, if asked to give proof my of my competence. I certainly wouldn't cite an example where I made a call that turned out to be stupid in hindsight. Mariotta sucked and was a lousy pick where he was drafted.
(04-23-2022, 11:24 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Even though he has emphatically stated he is a tackle, Jawaan Taylor has not proven to be an effective one. I went back and read the combine report on him at nfl.com. The very weaknesses he had as a prospect are still evident today. Anxiousness before the snap leading to many penalties. Does not stay square with the man he's blocking. Susceptible to inside move because of over-eagerness to move toward the outside on his blocks. He has not been helped by having one of the worst O-line coaches in the league the last few years. I wonder if he could be effective at guard? He is big, strong, and athletic. Having to block in the phone booth would cut down on some of his worse habits.
What say ye?
Yes, he needs to move to guard.
(04-24-2022, 12:42 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 11:24 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Even though he has emphatically stated he is a tackle, Jawaan Taylor has not proven to be an effective one. I went back and read the combine report on him at nfl.com. The very weaknesses he had as a prospect are still evident today. Anxiousness before the snap leading to many penalties. Does not stay square with the man he's blocking. Susceptible to inside move because of over-eagerness to move toward the outside on his blocks. He has not been helped by having one of the worst O-line coaches in the league the last few years. I wonder if he could be effective at guard? He is big, strong, and athletic. Having to block in the phone booth would cut down on some of his worse habits.
What say ye?
Yes, he needs to move to guard.
Jawan Taylor has said out of his own mouth he wont play Guard.. He needs to move to the unemployment office.
(04-23-2022, 11:24 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Even though he has emphatically stated he is a tackle, Jawaan Taylor has not proven to be an effective one. I went back and read the combine report on him at nfl.com. The very weaknesses he had as a prospect are still evident today. Anxiousness before the snap leading to many penalties. Does not stay square with the man he's blocking. Susceptible to inside move because of over-eagerness to move toward the outside on his blocks. He has not been helped by having one of the worst O-line coaches in the league the last few years. I wonder if he could be effective at guard? He is big, strong, and athletic. Having to block in the phone booth would cut down on some of his worse habits.
What say ye?
He has guard traits, but he doesn't have guard mentality. Dude plays soft and I don't remember him ever displaying the nastiness and scrappiness you want from an interior lineman. Anyone ever remember seeing him win a rep and just bury a guy?
(04-24-2022, 10:05 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 11:24 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Even though he has emphatically stated he is a tackle, Jawaan Taylor has not proven to be an effective one. I went back and read the combine report on him at nfl.com. The very weaknesses he had as a prospect are still evident today. Anxiousness before the snap leading to many penalties. Does not stay square with the man he's blocking. Susceptible to inside move because of over-eagerness to move toward the outside on his blocks. He has not been helped by having one of the worst O-line coaches in the league the last few years. I wonder if he could be effective at guard? He is big, strong, and athletic. Having to block in the phone booth would cut down on some of his worse habits.
What say ye?
He has guard traits, but he doesn't have guard mentality. Dude plays soft and I don't remember him ever displaying the nastiness and scrappiness you want from an interior lineman. Anyone ever remember seeing him win a rep and just bury a guy?
Taylor has all the physical skills to be an excellent right tackle. The issue is on any given play he does just enough to keep his job. No more. This is a mental issue which he can correct. Will he? I hope he does as currently we are having to depend on him. Even if we start Little on the right side this year one injury and he is in.
(04-24-2022, 10:05 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 11:24 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Even though he has emphatically stated he is a tackle, Jawaan Taylor has not proven to be an effective one. I went back and read the combine report on him at nfl.com. The very weaknesses he had as a prospect are still evident today. Anxiousness before the snap leading to many penalties. Does not stay square with the man he's blocking. Susceptible to inside move because of over-eagerness to move toward the outside on his blocks. He has not been helped by having one of the worst O-line coaches in the league the last few years. I wonder if he could be effective at guard? He is big, strong, and athletic. Having to block in the phone booth would cut down on some of his worse habits.
What say ye?
He has guard traits, but he doesn't have guard mentality. Dude plays soft and I don't remember him ever displaying the nastiness and scrappiness you want from an interior lineman. Anyone ever remember seeing him win a rep and just bury a guy?
I suppose my hope in this is that we can salvage value from the player. If we could, we might not need to draft a left guard. Bartch is just "meh", good enough to be a backup. Otherwise, I wonder why have Taylor at all. Is he a worthwhile backup? He's proven he's not good enough to start. What is this for him, year 4 or 5? Is good coaching enough to fix him?
(04-24-2022, 02:51 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2022, 12:42 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, he needs to move to guard.
Jawan Taylor has said out of his own mouth he wont play Guard.. He needs to move to the unemployment office.
Players sometimes say things in March that don't end up being accurate in July.
A player crying about a position change is not unquestionable, gospel truth to be written in stone.
Especially a struggling right tackle.
Regardless of what his position ends up being, I just hope he's behind better players on the depth chart very soon.
(04-24-2022, 10:57 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2022, 10:05 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]He has guard traits, but he doesn't have guard mentality. Dude plays soft and I don't remember him ever displaying the nastiness and scrappiness you want from an interior lineman. Anyone ever remember seeing him win a rep and just bury a guy?
Taylor has all the physical skills to be an excellent right tackle. The issue is on any given play he does just enough to keep his job. No more. This is a mental issue which he can correct. Will he? I hope he does as currently we are having to depend on him. Even if we start Little on the right side this year one injury and he is in.
I don't see it at all. Taylor is slow to get out of his stance and moves like he has cement shoes. IMO, he is what he is, a bad O-Lineman. I don't think moving him inside will make much of a difference. I really don't think he could win the starting OG position opposite Scherff, even if we didn't add another interior O-Lineman. We have better options already on the roster and hopefully, we'll add more.
Random question. I've seen a number of mock drafts this weekend linking the Jags to interior defensive line with the #33 pick (first pick in 2nd round). That doesn't seem to make any sense to me for positional value or need given the other players who will be available at that spot.
Am I missing something?
(04-24-2022, 06:38 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Random question. I've seen a number of mock drafts this weekend linking the Jags to interior defensive line with the #33 pick (first pick in 2nd round). That doesn't seem to make any sense to me for positional value or need given the other players who will be available at that spot.
Am I missing something?
I can understand why people think we need a pass rushing IDL like Travis Jones or Winfrey, but I don't think it's a luxury we can afford. We have a pretty solid DL with decent depth to boot. Sure, we could use one that rushes the passer better, but we have far bigger needs with those top picks. I've seen Mathis a few times too, and that one is very dumb. We already have Fatukasi, Hamilton, and Brown to stop the run.
(04-24-2022, 07:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2022, 06:38 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Random question. I've seen a number of mock drafts this weekend linking the Jags to interior defensive line with the #33 pick (first pick in 2nd round). That doesn't seem to make any sense to me for positional value or need given the other players who will be available at that spot.
Am I missing something?
I can understand why people think we need a pass rushing IDL like Travis Jones or Winfrey, but I don't think it's a luxury we can afford. We have a pretty solid DL with decent depth to boot. Sure, we could use one that rushes the passer better, but we have far bigger needs with those top picks. I've seen Mathis a few times too, and that one is very dumb. We already have Fatukasi, Hamilton, and Brown to stop the run.
Thanks. That what I was thinking.
(04-22-2022, 02:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 01:24 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke just said we are considering 4 players at the #1 pick.
The fact that we're only 6 days out from the draft and we still have 4 guys in play for the #1 pick shows why we are the worst run franchise in the NFL. I could see if they were waffling between 2 guys, but 4? That's ridiculous!
Welcome to lying season.
Advertising that you are undecided might also make more teams willing to inquire on the price to move you off the pick?
but no, hurr durr we turrible.
(04-24-2022, 06:38 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Random question. I've seen a number of mock drafts this weekend linking the Jags to interior defensive line with the #33 pick (first pick in 2nd round). That doesn't seem to make any sense to me for positional value or need given the other players who will be available at that spot.
Am I missing something?
Unless it's Jordan Davis my guess is they have no idea about our roster and just mocked random guy who didn't matter to us so they could give the bigger drawing teams the shiny players.
Pre-FA, I might have seen it. But we just threw down to get that guy from the Jest, traded for Malcolm Brown last offseason, and still have Hamilton. Unless these IDL guys they are mocking can play 3-4 End, probably overkill to draft another NT-type.
Interior DLine should not be an early priority for this draft. Hacker had one at 106 in his final mock today. that is still too early IMO. Take a TE there if not sooner. Now his pick of Salyer in the 3rd was just fine if he goes inside to Guard as we need one. With the $ money spent at CB in FA the last 2 years eliminates Gardner for us this year even if we somehow traded back a couple spots. Also, apparently a long term deal with Cam is imminent so scratch Neal or Icky if this is true. that leaves Edge for #1. Take Hutch in that case. highest floor of the top three. Don't get me wrong, KT and Travon may very well wind up better than Hutch but their floors are lower than his IMO. If we get Hutch at #1 and one of the top tier WR or ILBs with our second pick we are good. Let the best available WR or ILB that we don't take in the second be taken in the 3rd with Salyer if he is there. I will temper this with saying I have seen Salyer last till much longer in many mocks. also, if Linderbaum or Zion is there at 33 it better be a very premier WR or ILB available to take instead. JMHO
(04-25-2022, 08:51 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2022, 02:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that we're only 6 days out from the draft and we still have 4 guys in play for the #1 pick shows why we are the worst run franchise in the NFL. I could see if they were waffling between 2 guys, but 4? That's ridiculous!
Welcome to lying season.
Advertising that you are undecided might also make more teams willing to inquire on the price to move you off the pick?
but no, hurr durr we turrible.
If I believed every rumor thrown about just before the draft and had already made up my mind that I only liked about 9 players available from the 263 about to be drafted - I'd be pretty upset too.
Luckily - despite 99 different reasons I should probably feel otherwise - I think there's still a chance the Jaguars find a way to improve their roster this week with a few worthy selections.
I also feel confident OLM and many others are going to hate most of the picks.
The real letdown starts when we get to debate which picks suck the worst - only to conclude that we won't really know if it was a terrible pick or not for two more years.
Why do we torture ourselves like this?
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