05-17-2022, 08:19 AM
What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?
(05-17-2022, 07:12 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What about the gay guys who have high voices and went through puberty? You can talk with a high voice if you want. Your voice is more environment with some other physical.(05-17-2022, 01:58 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]What is the reason for delaying puberty?
Surgery can't un-deepen your voice. Surgery can't change the size of your hands. Removal of facial hair and other masculine hair by electrolysis can take years.
(05-17-2022, 08:19 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?
(05-17-2022, 10:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 08:19 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?
You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here. Sheesh.
(05-17-2022, 10:58 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There’s a fundamental problem with making arguments for children with unformed brains making life long decisions.
(05-17-2022, 11:06 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 10:58 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There’s a fundamental problem with making arguments for children with unformed brains making life long decisions.
It's not a lifelong decision.
Puberty blockers are reversible.
(05-17-2022, 10:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 08:19 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?
You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here. Sheesh.
(05-17-2022, 11:27 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 10:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here. Sheesh.
Lol, I'm the idiot? You didn't even address the second half of my post, which is the EXACT same problem you are using to justify puberty blockers.
(05-17-2022, 10:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 08:19 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?
You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here. Sheesh.
(05-17-2022, 02:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 10:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here. Sheesh.
These are not attempts to change gender, they are attempts to change sex. Gender is cultural and behavioral, sex is biological. Use the proper words for the horrific deviations you're endorsing lest you sound ignorant instead of just gullible.
(05-17-2022, 10:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 08:19 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?
You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here. Sheesh.
(05-17-2022, 01:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 11:27 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, I'm the idiot? You didn't even address the second half of my post, which is the EXACT same problem you are using to justify puberty blockers.
Second half of your post, you said, "what happens when they want to transition back?"
I never advocated for anyone under 18 to transition in the first place.
Read more carefully.
I'm not a straw man.
I'm not Obama. I'm not Biden. Stop assuming I advocate for all the things you disagree with simply because I advocate for one of the things you disagree with.
(05-17-2022, 03:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 02:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]These are not attempts to change gender, they are attempts to change sex. Gender is cultural and behavioral, sex is biological. Use the proper words for the horrific deviations you're endorsing lest you sound ignorant instead of just gullible.
They are attempts to pause the development of sex, if you really want to be pedantic.
(05-17-2022, 04:38 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2022, 01:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Second half of your post, you said, "what happens when they want to transition back?"
I never advocated for anyone under 18 to transition in the first place.
Read more carefully.
I'm not a straw man.
I'm not Obama. I'm not Biden. Stop assuming I advocate for all the things you disagree with simply because I advocate for one of the things you disagree with.
Did I call you Obama or Biden? I simply said that a good portion of transgender individuals will want to transition back. Then, if they were on puberty blockers until 18, they will have a high voice and small hands when they want to become a man again. It's just your logic, but used a few years later. You use bad logic. That's my point.
(05-17-2022, 11:16 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said in a previous thread, I enjoy Cross Dressing, it relieves the stress that's built up in me....... Now, do I want to change my gender/sex/pronouns or whatever some of these professional people are pushing? Nope....... I just keep to myself and wish to live my life as I see fit without pushing some agenda on others.... Live and Let Live in other words......