What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?

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What is the reason for delaying puberty?

Surgery can't un-deepen your voice.  Surgery can't change the size of your hands. Removal of facial hair and other masculine hair by electrolysis can take years.

What about the gay guys who have high voices and went through puberty? You can talk with a high voice if you want. Your voice is more environment with some other physical.

Hand size is again part of your DNA, you aren't going to change that. You may keep someone from growing by starving them but you aren't stopping the human body. These drugs are basically trying to starve the body from what it needs to become a full grown body.

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What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?

You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here. Sheesh.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

There’s a fundamental problem with making arguments for children with unformed brains making life long decisions.

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What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?

You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here.  Sheesh.

Until you're 16 you don't know [BLEEP].

Most 18 year olds still don't know [BLEEP].

In fact, until people reach 30 they still don't know [BLEEP].

Even after 30 they don't know [BLEEP].

Basically, you don't know [BLEEP] but I can guarantee you a 12 year old knows a whole lot less.

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There’s a fundamental problem with making arguments for children with unformed brains making life long decisions.

It's not a lifelong decision.
Puberty blockers are reversible.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

There’s a fundamental problem with making arguments for children with unformed brains making life long decisions.

It's not a lifelong decision.
Puberty blockers are reversible.

Physically, maybe. Psychologically is a different story.

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What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?

You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here.  Sheesh.

Lol, I'm the idiot? You didn't even address the second half of my post, which is the EXACT same problem you are using to justify puberty blockers.

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You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here.  Sheesh.

Lol, I'm the idiot? You didn't even address the second half of my post, which is the EXACT same problem you are using to justify puberty blockers.

Second half of your post, you said, "what happens when they want to transition back?"
I never advocated for anyone under 18 to transition in the first place.
Read more carefully.
I'm not a straw man.
I'm not Obama.  I'm not Biden.  Stop assuming I advocate for all the things you disagree with simply because I advocate for one of the things you disagree with.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Personally, I think we should transition everyone to transgender at birth. Then we can have people forming parades to support people that want to transition back to their birth gender. We could then counsel people that decide to use the pronouns He and She and make certain other people don't bully them.

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What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?

You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here.  Sheesh.

These are not attempts to change gender, they are attempts to change sex. Gender is cultural and behavioral, sex is biological. Use the proper words for the horrific deviations you're endorsing lest you sound ignorant instead of just gullible.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here.  Sheesh.

These are not attempts to change gender, they are attempts to change sex. Gender is cultural and behavioral, sex is biological. Use the proper words for the horrific deviations you're endorsing lest you sound ignorant instead of just gullible.

They are attempts to pause the development of sex, if you really want to be pedantic.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

What about the emotional scars of going through high school as a 12 year old? Can surgery remove that? Can surgery fix it when the decide they want to transition back to their original gender, which is fairly common?

You idiots keep bringing that up.
Think!
Think first, then react.
These kids would be considering, making a choice, do they want to go through high school in a 12 year old's body, or do they want their body to undergo near permanent changes consistent with a gender that they don't identify with?
I can't make that choice for them.
Neither can you.
Yes there is difficulty either way, but they would be the ones deciding.
I thought some of you were libertarian around here. Sheesh.

Seems like a lot of downplaying by you of the emotional effects of artificially induced physical changes as long as the physical effects are reversible. That said, this entire issue originates with the emotional. Gender is a man-made concept used to support the claim of gender dysphoria. As I've stated before in these forums, there is only one category of human kind that has legitimate claim to confusion with sexual identity and can rightfully and logically choose their physically given sex, and that is the hermaphrodite by birth. All the rest is psychological/emotional nonsense. Artificially inducing physical changes like these at early ages is not going to resolve emotional issues, it's going to compound them. Even if this catches on, which it sadly will, it should be until you are no longer a minor, as I believe you have stated. If people still want to pursue it at 18, and they subject themselves to all of the unnatural surgical procedures required, then they should not ask/campaign for public acceptance, nor ask for it to be paid for with tax dollars. Their freakness is their own biz, and they should keep it that way. Nothing about this advances humankind in a progressive and positive way; in fact, it causes chaos and regression, which we will untimately all have to pay for with the negative results it unleashes.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Lol, I'm the idiot? You didn't even address the second half of my post, which is the EXACT same problem you are using to justify puberty blockers.

Second half of your post, you said, "what happens when they want to transition back?"
I never advocated for anyone under 18 to transition in the first place.
Read more carefully.
I'm not a straw man.
I'm not Obama.  I'm not Biden.  Stop assuming I advocate for all the things you disagree with simply because I advocate for one of the things you disagree with.

Did I call you Obama or Biden? I simply said that a good portion of transgender individuals will want to transition back. Then, if they were on puberty blockers until 18, they will have a high voice and small hands when they want to become a man again. It's just your logic, but used a few years later. You use bad logic. That's my point.

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These are not attempts to change gender, they are attempts to change sex. Gender is cultural and behavioral, sex is biological. Use the proper words for the horrific deviations you're endorsing lest you sound ignorant instead of just gullible.

They are attempts to pause the development of sex, if you really want to be pedantic.

No, that's what you think if you're ignoring the basic facts of biology.

Meanwhile, using words correctly is what you and the lefties both attempt to weaponize against us normies. The only way to defeat you and stop the madness is to reclaim the language first.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Second half of your post, you said, "what happens when they want to transition back?"
I never advocated for anyone under 18 to transition in the first place.
Read more carefully.
I'm not a straw man.
I'm not Obama.  I'm not Biden.  Stop assuming I advocate for all the things you disagree with simply because I advocate for one of the things you disagree with.

Did I call you Obama or Biden? I simply said that a good portion of transgender individuals will want to transition back. Then, if they were on puberty blockers until 18, they will have a high voice and small hands when they want to become a man again. It's just your logic, but used a few years later. You use bad logic. That's my point.

Yeah, the logic looks bad when you don't understand the premises.
A 12 year old has penis, high voice, small hands.
Insecure about gender, goes on puberty blockers.
Becomes an 18 year old with penis, high voice, small hands, and short for its age.
Decides it's ready to be a man. It is now a he again.
He discontinues puberty blockers.
Puberty begins.
Two or three years later, he has a penis, deep voice, large hands, and normal height.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

"It's"...

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I’m beginning to believe the human race is irredeemable. They way we are now sucks, this is not progress. We are going backwards as a species.

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

Like I said in a previous thread, I enjoy Cross Dressing, it relieves the stress that's built up in me....... Now, do I want to change my gender/sex/pronouns or whatever some of these professional people are pushing? Nope....... I just keep to myself and wish to live my life as I see fit without pushing some agenda on others.... Live and Let Live in other words......

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Like I said in a previous thread, I enjoy Cross Dressing, it relieves the stress that's built up in me....... Now, do I want to change my gender/sex/pronouns or whatever some of these professional people are pushing? Nope....... I just keep to myself and wish to live my life as I see fit without pushing some agenda on others.... Live and Let Live in other words......

Well, one thing is for certain...you'll always feel at home at Taco Bell.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption