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Unbelievable. For the love of money.

(06-09-2023, 08:32 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Unbelievable. For the love of money.

The PGA Tour was in a tough spot.  They were facing endless litigation against an entity with nearly unlimited money.  They were also facing a future of LIV constantly luring away star players.  They had upped the prize money to retain players, but they had to raise the sponsorship fees, and they were losing sponsors as a result.  This was a battle that could have destroyed professional golf.  I admit that none of us know all the facts, but from what I understand right now, they did what they had to do.  They had to take the Saudi money to kill LIV golf.  

The PGA Tour isn't merging with LIV.  They are merging with PIF.  LIV is probably dead.  

Granted, as more facts come out, I might change my mind, but that's what it looks like to me.  PIF is the winner.  LIV is the loser.  The PGA Tour survives.

(06-09-2023, 08:26 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-08-2023, 06:29 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Congrats PGA and Jay Monahan. You now officially look like fools.

I've seen all kinds of different interpretations of the situation.  The one you cite, and then there are others who say the PGA Tour has effectively killed LIV Golf by co-opting the PIF.  According to the outlined agreement, the PGA Tour and Jay Monahan are now pretty much in charge of professional golf.  

Personally, I think both sides were in a no-win situation, and Monahan is allowing the PIF to invest in the PGA Tour in order to end the litigation and kill LIV golf.

I have no doubt the PGA also did this to prevent embarrassment. Jay Monahan’s ridiculous statement about LIV players apologizing to 9/11 families would have been broken off in their [BLEEP] when discovery from the lawsuits would have revealed the PGA is the beneficiary of plentiful Saudi money via their sponsors. 

Lo and behold, we have Monahan sitting side-by-side with the Saudi PIF director on MSNBC expressing platitudes after the deal was announced. Will Jay apologize to 9/11 families now? Monahan is an obsequious little hypocrite.

(06-09-2023, 08:40 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-09-2023, 08:26 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen all kinds of different interpretations of the situation.  The one you cite, and then there are others who say the PGA Tour has effectively killed LIV Golf by co-opting the PIF.  According to the outlined agreement, the PGA Tour and Jay Monahan are now pretty much in charge of professional golf.  

Personally, I think both sides were in a no-win situation, and Monahan is allowing the PIF to invest in the PGA Tour in order to end the litigation and kill LIV golf.

I have no doubt the PGA also did this to prevent embarrassment. Jay Monahan’s ridiculous statement about LIV players apologizing to 9/11 families would have been broken off in their [BLEEP] when discovery from the lawsuits would have revealed the PGA is the beneficiary of plentiful Saudi money via their sponsors. 

Lo and behold, we have Monahan sitting side-by-side with the Saudi PIF director on MSNBC expressing platitudes after the deal was announced. Will Jay apologize to 9/11 families now? Monahan is an obsequious little hypocrite.

Yep.  A lot of people who talked about "dirty Saudi money" are going to have to climb down.

Sky Sports is a fairly credible source, and here is their take on the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnjdHpJvRs

(06-09-2023, 10:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Sky Sports is a fairly credible source, and here is their take on the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnjdHpJvRs

It will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next year. 

Greg Norman was left out in the cold but I still can’t help to think he’s derived some sort of satisfaction from riling up the PGA for a while.

(06-09-2023, 11:18 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-09-2023, 10:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Sky Sports is a fairly credible source, and here is their take on the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnjdHpJvRs

It will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next year. 

Greg Norman was left out in the cold but I still can’t help to think he’s derived some sort of satisfaction from riling up the PGA for a while.

I'm sure he was well paid.

(06-09-2023, 08:54 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-09-2023, 08:40 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I have no doubt the PGA also did this to prevent embarrassment. Jay Monahan’s ridiculous statement about LIV players apologizing to 9/11 families would have been broken off in their [BLEEP] when discovery from the lawsuits would have revealed the PGA is the beneficiary of plentiful Saudi money via their sponsors. 

Lo and behold, we have Monahan sitting side-by-side with the Saudi PIF director on MSNBC expressing platitudes after the deal was announced. Will Jay apologize to 9/11 families now? Monahan is an obsequious little hypocrite.

Yep.  A lot of people who talked about "dirty Saudi money" are going to have to climb down.

I read an article about all of the PIF investments worldwide. 
It's insane. 
They have a piece of damn near everything. 

And now, the PGA Tour. 
My stance was that hell yes it's dirty money, but I can't blame anyone for taking it. I know I would. 
And now "they" did.

It's interesting how, as time passes, it looks more and more like the PGA Tour has won the war.  (Notwithstanding their hypocrisy with all their statements about Saudi blood money, etc.)  

Here's another interesting perspective from a legal expert, who seems to say, although there is no real agreement yet, the PIF has basically surrendered in the court case, completely undermining their position with their public statements and actions over the past week.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMjRk6ZGxLI

A reporter on 1010XL saying Monahan had to make a deal with PIF because the PGA is hemorrhaging money in the tens of millions.

More details coming soon on funding and future events. There’s a possibility the LIV format will continue but under another name played in selective global locations.

LIV put Jay Monahan in the hospital. 

On a serious note, I hope he recovers soon.

We can make this the U.S. Open thread too.

A 294 par 3. Good googly moogly.

(06-15-2023, 01:05 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]We can make this the U.S. Open thread too.

A 294 par 3. Good googly moogly.

Driver and a wedge for me.

(06-16-2023, 10:21 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-15-2023, 01:05 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]We can make this the U.S. Open thread too.

A 294 par 3. Good googly moogly.

Driver and a wedge for me.

 
That’s about the only option for 99% of golfers who don’t play competitively.

Watching the U.S. Open and I have to say I'm really digging the LA Country Club. What a creative and thoughtful course. I much prefer this style golf to the USGA's typical tact of drying out the courses and making the greens marble tops. That always seemed gimmicky to me. This course is a challenge with its slopes, rough and hazards. The greens putt fantastically and are beautifully contoured. The PGA needs to play here more often.  

It looks like a load of profanity-laden fun to play.

I'm rooting for Rickie Fowler. He seems like a really nice guy, and I love a good comeback story.

I’d like to see Fowler win if McIlroy doesn’t.  Rooting for McIlroy for purely financial reasons.  Otherwise I’d be all in on Fowler, I’ve always liked him.

The voices in my TV explained yesterday that Fowler started working with Butch Harmon 6 months ago to get his swing back on track. It looks to be a success.

I read an article which stated Harmon charges $1500 an hour. Whatever Ricky spent was worth it.

However, Wyndham Clark is not going away. He’s staying in the thick of it.

The U.S. Open site is so stupid. Would you like to follow one of the leader groups? Nooo. Follow these groups which don’t feature a single player that stands a chance of winning.

(06-18-2023, 08:46 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The voices in my TV explained yesterday that Fowler started working with Butch Harmon 6 months ago to get his swing back on track. It looks to be a success.

I read an article which stated Harmon charges $1500 an hour. Whatever Ricky spent was worth it.

However, Wyndham Clark is not going away. He’s staying in the thick of it.

Fowler went through that phase we've seen from a dozen top young players over the decades where he gets hitched and starts a family.  And then when that all finally levels out, he refocuses on the game. 

He's focused now and it is fun to watch.  Fun guy to root for.

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(06-18-2023, 07:38 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The U.S. Open site is so stupid. Would you like to follow one of the leader groups? Nooo. Follow these groups which don’t feature a single player that stands a chance of winning.

The former PGA streaming plan (before ESPN+ bought the rights) had a lot of that too.

They predetermine groups for coverage before the tourney based on deals with sponsors and golfers that may be surging in performance or popularity. But if the group fizzles in competition they can't alter their coverage due to the sponsor contracts. It's pretty lame, especially if you're paying for the streaming access.