Quote:Woohoo Trump lest not forget Putin is an authoritarian above all else that's nothing to take lightly. That's is concerning how quick he disregards Putin's authoritarian stances and focuses on how well he controls the nation.
Trump said Putin is a well respected, and respects him as a leader, but doesn't like their system. I mean, what do you want him to say? He hates Russia and wants to cut diplomatic ties with them because they are an authoritative democracy? He is trying to be diplomatic with the second strongest military on Earth instead of berating them day after day like the Democrats. For a libertarian, do you not see the irony of claiming to be anti-interventionist, but then simultaneously wanting to hurl insults and berate them into action (like we see with their planes buzzing our ships)?
LOL, and I thought trump said he had a plan. And then he said he doesn't and wants to talk to the Generals? And then he's got a plan? But he could see him mixing up his plan with the General's plan?
Quote:Take note that Hillary wants to continue to arm rebels in Syria to defeat ISIS. What she doesn't tell you is that the goal is actually to remove Assad.
ISIS are Sunni. Every batch of "moderate rebels" we arm are Sunni. We train them and arm them to go get ISIS, but really we are just sending ISIS fresh jihadists and shiny new weapons.
Quote:Trump said Putin is a well respected, and respects him as a leader, but doesn't like their system. I mean, what do you want him to say? He hates Russia and wants to cut diplomatic ties with them because they are an authoritative democracy? He is trying to be diplomatic with the second strongest military on Earth instead of berating them day after day like the Democrats. For a libertarian, do you not see the irony of claiming to be anti-interventionist, but then simultaneously wanting to hurl insults and berate them into action (like we see with their planes buzzing our ships)?
LOL... Obama wakes up every morning and the first thing on his to do list is berate Russia. He's been doing it every day since January 22, 2009. Poor little Russia. Always getting brow beat by big bad Obama.
And they never did nothing to nobody! It's time someone put Obama in a timeout for all his bullying. And Russia needs some alone time with the NATO counselor.
You realize how silly your whole statement sounds?
Quote:I remember why I don't watch these. Its ultimately just frustrating because they never get to the root of the issue.
Trump gets close but doesn't quite do it for me. Somebody needs to say, "How would I feel about deploying troops? First of all I wouldn't be playing God all over the planet and interfering in affairs we have no business interfering with. Troops would truly be a last resort and not the play thing of government elites and the banks that own them."
Yeah, it was lame. Not enough time, and the debates will be the same way. It is all about gotcha questions and trying to grab a soundbite. Yawn. Just give me more detailed Trump speeches and the occasional press conference.
Quote:Yeah, it was lame. Not enough time, and the debates will be the same way. It is all about gotcha questions and trying to grab a soundbite. Yawn. Just give me more detailed Trump speeches and the occasional press conference.
Yeah, with every speech you get a different trump position written by another GOP globalist. You'll learn alot there. :woot:
Quote:Yeah I don't get this either, but I guess some are? At least according to that lady, and Trump doesn't plan on deporting them.
Trump didn't get suckered by that question. Notice how every question was weasel-worded? If they're PLANNING on joining the military, would you let them stay? It just creates another way to game the system, and Trump knows that.
Quote:LOL... Obama wakes up every morning and the first thing on his to do list is berate Russia. He's been doing it every day since January 22, 2009. Poor little Russia. Always getting brow beat by big bad Obama.
And they never did nothing to nobody! It's time someone put Obama in a timeout for all his bullying. And Russia needs some alone time with the NATO counselor.
You realize how silly your whole statement sounds?
Dude, what? What are you even trying to articulate?
I find it curious Trump says our military is weak. Sure our troop levels are at the lowest point since WWII, but hasn't warfare changed since then? Drones, cyberwarfare, intelligence, etc. We still have a bazillion more nukes than anyone and no country wants a piece of us. No country comes close to what we spend on the military. Maybe it's a tiny hands thing. Am I the only one taken off guard by that comment? Sending fewer soldiers to war means fewer soldiers come back with PTSD we don't treat. Maybe I'm crazy for thinking less war is a good thing.
Quote:Trump said Putin is a well respected, and respects him as a leader, but doesn't like their system. I mean, what do you want him to say? He hates Russia and wants to cut diplomatic ties with them because they are an authoritative democracy? He is trying to be diplomatic with the second strongest military on Earth instead of berating them day after day like the Democrats. For a libertarian, do you not see the irony of claiming to be anti-interventionist, but then simultaneously wanting to hurl insults and berate them into action (like we see with their planes buzzing our ships)?
As libertarian I want a leader that recognizes the authoritarian stances of one of the largest oppressers in modern times and not try and paint him as a strong leader.
Putin is a tyrant that's not leadership
Quote:As libertarian I want a leader that recognizes the authoritarian stances of one of the largest oppressers in modern times and not try and paint him as a strong leader.
Putin is a tyrant that's not leadership
Your use of tyrant is extremely subjective. There is a difference between being authoritarian, and being a tyrannical ruler. In my opinion, tyrannical rulers are Stalin, Mao, Hitler, or Kim Jong. Authoritarian rulers like Putin are more along the lines of FDR or Pinochet.
Quote:Your use of tyrant is extremely subjective. There is a difference between being authoritarian, and being a tyrannical ruler. In my opinion, tyrannical rulers are Stalin, Mao, Hitler, or Kim Jong. Authoritarian rulers like Putin are more along the lines of FDR or Pinochet.
You've let Alex Jones skew your view of Putin.
Putin is a foreign aggressor and domestic oppressor. I'd consider the use of interment camps pretty tyrannical so even if you want to compare Putin and FDR the result is the same. An authoritarian is an authoritarian, statism is always the enemy and Putin is amoung the worse.
Let's pray trump is just bluffing about his admiration of Putin's leadership.
Quote:You've let Alex Jones skew your view of Putin.
Putin is a foreign aggressor and domestic oppressor. I'd consider the use of interment camps pretty tyrannical so even if you want to compare Putin and FDR the result is the same. An authoritarian is an authoritarian, statism is always the enemy and Putin is amoung the worse.
Let's pray trump is just bluffing about his admiration of Putin's leadership.
I don't listen to Alex Jones. I speak from a historical perspective. Putin is not a tyrant. Authoritarian, sure. Not a tyrant. You discredit actual tyrants by calling him such. Your position is more an-cap than libertarian, which is a dangerous ideology.
Quote:To me that question was lame anyways. The real question is what circumstances could you foresee where deployment of troops would be necessary?
The questions always assume that the government "knows best" and if they say we need to go in, then by God it must be necessary.
Quote:I don't listen to Alex Jones. I speak from a historical perspective. Putin is not a tyrant. Authoritarian, sure. Not a tyrant. You discredit actual tyrants by calling him such. Your position is more an-cap than libertarian, which is a dangerous ideology.
Lol if Obama tried a quarter of the stuff Putin has pulled off youd be the loudest one on here screaming tyrant.
Putin has invaded foreign nations and is holding them at will, arrested political opponents, had members of the media executed, enforced legislation regulating forms of media (state controlled media i might add) regulating public protest, and the list goes on.
Hey I oppose western intervention with the beat of them and have grivences with the way we deal with specific problems here. But we haven't had a tyrant on Putin's level since the days of Lincoln.
And yes I lean towards anarcho-capitalism but that's an ideology the political party I support is libertarian since it's the closest we can get.
I would loves a stateless society but it'll never happen so I advocate neutering the state.
Quote:Lol if Obama tried a quarter of the stuff Putin has pulled off youd be the loudest one on here screaming tyrant.
Putin has invaded foreign nations and is holding them at will, arrested political opponents, had members of the media executed, enforced legislation regulating forms of media (state controlled media i might add) regulating public protest, and the list goes on.
Hey I oppose western intervention with the beat of them and have grivences with the way we deal with specific problems here. But we haven't had a tyrant on Putin's level since the days of Lincoln.
And yes I lean towards anarcho-capitalism but that's an ideology the political party I support is libertarian since it's the closest we can get.
I would loves a stateless society but it'll never happen so I advocate neutering the state.
Ok, but as Trump's counter point stated, look at what our country has been doing. Not so nice.
Ya, you know big bad Putin over there... Look at the [BLEEP] we've done that's just as bad.
Quote:Dude, what? What are you even trying to articulate?
Just found it funny that you describe the current relationship between "democrats" and Russia as one in which democrates berate Russia every day, to paraphrase what you said. I found that statement hilarious. That's all.
Quote:Ok, but as Trump's counter point stated, look at what our country has been doing. Not so nice.
Ya, you know big bad Putin over there... Look at the [BAD WORD REMOVED] we've done that's just as bad.
Yeah, but we don't kill journalists and members of the opposing party... Putin does...
Not exactly would I would call great leadership. trump, though... He does find that to be great leadership. You don't find that alarming at all?
Quote:Yeah, but we don't kill journalists and members of the opposing party... Putin does...
Right but we kill other kinds of people for selfish reasons. I mean, is there that much of a difference? we might say "oops" afterward but result is the same.
Quote:Yeah, but we don't kill journalists and members of the opposing party... Putin does...
Not exactly would I would call great leadership. trump, though... He does find that to be great leadership. You don't find that alarming at all?
I kinda agree with him here. Putin although super evil guy whatever you want to call him, he has leadership qualities. Its about personality. It doesn't mean Trump also wants to adopt Putin policies.