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How the heck did he hurt his ankle, cutting grass?  He definitely was not in the opponents backfield or tackling an opponent.

I am surprised that people use a player’s draft spot against him. I understand that there are expectations that follow with being drafted high, but I would direct criticism towards those who evaluated and drafted the player and not the player. It is not like a player will stand up on Draft Day and say ‘I am not that good, better let me drop to the third round’.

It is OK to criticize a player’s production, attitude and professionalism when that is warranted, but not every contribution shows up on a stat sheet. That being said, I cannot say I have the football iq to evaluate Chaisson’s play.

(10-03-2022, 03:08 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Well, i guess the upside about him is that he always takes up a blocker.  The downside is that he never gets past said blocker to the QB. He is the definition of human velcro at this point.

(10-04-2022, 01:46 PM)Norseman Wrote: [ -> ]I am surprised that people use a player’s draft spot against him. I understand that there are expectations that follow with being drafted high, but I would direct criticism towards those who evaluated and drafted the player and not the player. It is not like a player will stand up on Draft Day and say ‘I am not that good, better let me drop to the third round’.

It is OK to criticize a player’s production, attitude and professionalism when that is warranted, but not every contribution shows up on a stat sheet. That being said, I cannot say I have the football iq to evaluate Chaisson’s play.

In my personal opinion this is the only way to be critical of someone's On Field performance(s). Their production or the lack of. How they were acquired by a team whether it's an High First Round, Free Agent and or Undrafted mostly reflects on their expected contributions to the team. 

Just to throw a couple of names out there, Chaisson has underachieved so far and James Robinson has overachieved. Will it get better or worse?

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

May need to offer him up + late RD pick for a hefty IDL if people are that concerned with Fatukasi being MIA.

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(10-04-2022, 01:46 PM)Norseman Wrote: [ -> ]I am surprised that people use a player’s draft spot against him. I understand that there are expectations that follow with being drafted high, but I would direct criticism towards those who evaluated and drafted the player and not the player. It is not like a player will stand up on Draft Day and say ‘I am not that good, better let me drop to the third round’.

It is OK to criticize a player’s production, attitude and professionalism when that is warranted, but not every contribution shows up on a stat sheet. That being said, I cannot say I have the football iq to evaluate Chaisson’s play.

I agree. I hold Dave Caldwell responsible. The majority of us on here were screaming for help for Minshew at the time. I recall a lot of us wanting Tristan Wirfs and Justin Jefferson that night and mentioned in plenty of our own wishlists and mock drafts on here.

It's pathetic he shipped Ramsey and Ngakoue off to backfill with lesser talent. Then the one player they kept from the 2016 trio was an overpaid MLB playing out of position. Frustrating.

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(10-04-2022, 09:23 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]How the heck did he hurt his ankle, cutting grass?  I definitely was not in the opponents backfield or tackling an opponent.

He was taking zumba classes during the week

(10-05-2022, 07:38 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2022, 09:23 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]How the heck did he hurt his ankle, cutting grass?  I definitely was not in the opponents backfield or tackling an opponent.

He was taking zumba classes during the week

So THATS what he was doing in the seizure video!

(10-03-2022, 06:11 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2022, 06:42 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]You are very uninformed.  His injury status got downgraded from questionable to out, the same as Zay Jones.  Chaisson is still on the 53 man roster.  The practice squad rules effective with COVID allows a team to bring up 2 players each week without it counting against their 53 man roster.  Basically, if a player is injured, you could use one of the players from your 53 man roster that otherwise would be a healthy scratch or you can pull from the practice squad.  None of the healthy inactives in week 1-3 played his position.  As such, a player was obviously elevated from the practice squad.  This has ZERO reflection on Chaisson.  They would have done the same thing if Walker or Allen were injured.

I must be uninformed. Williams and Summers were activated to the 53 while two were downgraded. I was under the impression that the COVID rules expired last season just like the seat relocations and having to wear masks within all NFL stadiums. If this is the case then Yes, I'm uninformed. I will check on that scenario. 

W/that being said/acknowledged, my true reasoning for this post is to point out that Chaisson Is Invisible as others have acknowledged. Do we need to Move On? I said the exact same thing about Myles Jack and we moved on. Whether we do or don't.

Update Allert: COVID rules no longer exists. We're back to personal opinions.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-nflpa-agree...ion-period

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

No, you have been and still remain very uninformed.  I never said that every single rule effective with COVID (masks mandates, etc.) were still in effect.  I said the practice squad rule effective during COVID allowing 2 players to be brought up to active roster without taking a spot is still effect.  That is 100% true.  If you don't believe me, see the link below.

What are the 2022 NFL practice squad rules?

If you are too lazy to read it, I refer you to the section called "Elevation".  It says in part:

"Starting in 2020, the league added a new rule for practice squad players, making them eligible to appear in a game without having to be signed to the active roster. Two practice squad players per week were allowed to be elevated to the active roster for game day, then reverted back to the practice squad immediately following the game."

(10-04-2022, 01:46 PM)Norseman Wrote: [ -> ]I am surprised that people use a player’s draft spot against him. I understand that there are expectations that follow with being drafted high, but I would direct criticism towards those who evaluated and drafted the player and not the player. It is not like a player will stand up on Draft Day and say ‘I am not that good, better let me drop to the third round’.

It is OK to criticize a player’s production, attitude and professionalism when that is warranted, but not every contribution shows up on a stat sheet. That being said, I cannot say I have the football iq to evaluate Chaisson’s play.

I find a lot of people act on emotion instead of logic.  Some people can't control their emotions and get angry when an early round pick doesn't live up to their draft status and therefore wants to reactively cut him to ease their emotions.  However, this isn't logical.  First, as you stated, the anger is largely misplaced.  It isn't Chaisson's fault that he was drafted early.  That was Dave Caldwell.  You're punishing the wrong person.  Second, the priority of logical football fans isn't to punish people.  It is to have the best roster possible.  If you cut that first rounder, who are you going to replace the player with?  Probably a UDFA or a street free agent.  Is he a better player with more upside?  That's the only question before us.  If no, you keep him.  In most cases, the answer is probably going to be no.

Logically, unless there are salary cap implications, where the player was drafted is irrelevant.  It's water under the bridge.  If we cut Chaisson, we don't get that first round draft pick back, so why does it matter?  If a first rounder plays like a 7th rounder, that by itself is not a reason to cut him.  You only cut him if his 7th round playing performance is worse than the UDFA or whoever you would replace him with on your 53 man roster.  As far as the salary cap, Chaisson's salary is guaranteed.  As such, there is no savings by cutting him.  It would actually hurt our salary cap because we would have to pay his replacement.  The only reason to cut him is if there is a better alternative player available at his position.  There's not, so we keep him.  It's that simple.

Did he almost make a play or something?

(10-05-2022, 07:48 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-05-2022, 07:38 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]He was taking zumba classes during the week

So THATS what he was doing in the seizure video!

Haha

I hope he makes some plays in this season. It would be great to see.

(10-05-2022, 11:52 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-05-2022, 07:48 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]So THATS what he was doing in the seizure video!

Haha

I hope he makes some plays in this season. It would be great to see.

Same, wish he would have a nice stretch of games to the point that we could use him as trade bait.

(10-05-2022, 08:27 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2022, 06:11 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]I must be uninformed. Williams and Summers were activated to the 53 while two were downgraded. I was under the impression that the COVID rules expired last season just like the seat relocations and having to wear masks within all NFL stadiums. If this is the case then Yes, I'm uninformed. I will check on that scenario. 

W/that being said/acknowledged, my true reasoning for this post is to point out that Chaisson Is Invisible as others have acknowledged. Do we need to Move On? I said the exact same thing about Myles Jack and we moved on. Whether we do or don't.

Update Allert: COVID rules no longer exists. We're back to personal opinions.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-nflpa-agree...ion-period

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

No, you have been and still remain very uninformed.  I never said that every single rule effective with COVID (masks mandates, etc.) were still in effect.  I said the practice squad rule effective during COVID allowing 2 players to be brought up to active roster without taking a spot is still effect.  That is 100% true.  If you don't believe me, see the link below.

What are the 2022 NFL practice squad rules?

If you are too lazy to read it, I refer you to the section called "Elevation".  It says in part:

"Starting in 2020, the league added a new rule for practice squad players, making them eligible to appear in a game without having to be signed to the active roster. Two practice squad players per week were allowed to be elevated to the active roster for game day, then reverted back to the practice squad immediately following the game."

TIL.

I've even read extensively on the PS and I don't recall seeing that before. Thanks for sharing.

LORD Have Mercy.

What you have somewhat stated is true to which I stopped being "too lazy" as you put it to get an better understanding of the revamped 2022 Practice Squad rules w/o COVID. Yes, players from the PS can be called up and play within games on an limited amount of times w/o affecting the 53 but will return to the PS if the clear the waver wire. Yes this was derived from the Former COVID PS rules as is the number of players that allowed to be on the practice squad. I also now know that tenured players can also be on the PS unlike prior to COVID. Alot has changed w/respect to the PS rules.

With that being said, excuse me for not knowing the revamped 2022 PS rules four games into the season. I'm not that Much of an Footbal Geek. No Pun Intended. I'll do better. Naw, I'll simply enjoy the games and let the effected personnel worry about the rules.

Now let's get back to my initial reasoning of this post w/respect to Chaisson's deficiencies/performances and or the lack of. Do you feel that he's worthy of the 53? In your opinion, has he lived up to the expectations? Your Expectations? The coaches expectations? I've rewatched this game three times now and there's No indications of him being injured from the team and or the broadcast that I'm aware of. Why was he downgraded? Hopefully you can better inform me on his status.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

(10-06-2022, 09:35 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]LORD Have Mercy.

What you have somewhat stated is true to which I stopped being too lazy as you put it to get an better understanding of the revamped 2022 Practice Squad rules w/o COVID. Yes, players from the PS can be called up and play within games on an limited amount of times w/o affecting the 53 but will return to the PS if the clear the waver wire. Yes this was derived from the Former COVID PS rules as is the number of players that allowed to be on the practice squad. I also now know that tenured players can also be on the PS unlike prior to COVID. Alot has changed w/respect to the PS rules.

With that being said, excuse me for not knowing the revamped 2022 PS rules four games into the season. I'm not that Much of an Footbal Geek. No Pun Intended. I'll do better. Naw, I simply enjoy the games and let the effected personnel worry about the rules.

Now let's get back to my initial reasoning of this post w/respect to Chaisson's deficiencies/performances and or the lack of. Do you feel that he's worth of the 53. In your opinion, has he lived up to the expectations. Your Expectations. The coaches expectations. I've rewatched this game three times now and there's No indications of him being injured from the team and or the broadcast that I'm aware of. Why was he downgraded? Hopefully you can better inform me on his status.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...y-jaguars/

Chaisson sucks. Bad pick when he was drafted and still a bad player.

NEXT.

(10-05-2022, 07:48 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-05-2022, 07:38 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]He was taking zumba classes during the week

So THATS what he was doing in the seizure video!

OMG - I forgot about that video

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(10-06-2022, 10:34 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Chaisson sucks. Bad pick when he was drafted and still a bad player.

NEXT.

Seriously ???  Without the CJ Henderson pick at #9 followed by the Chaisson pick at #20 in the 2020 Draft, we may not finish last, setting up the Trevor pick at #1 in 2021.

Joking aside, would have been nice just to tank and trade those 2020 picks for future draft picks.

(10-06-2022, 12:25 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-05-2022, 07:48 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]So THATS what he was doing in the seizure video!

OMG - I forgot about that video

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(10-06-2022, 10:34 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Chaisson sucks. Bad pick when he was drafted and still a bad player.

NEXT.

Seriously ???  Without the CJ Henderson pick at #9 followed by the Chaisson pick at #20 in the 2020 Draft, we may not finish last, setting up the Trevor pick at #1 in 2021.

Joking aside, would have been nice just to tank and trade those 2020 picks for future draft picks.

Oh Your first point isn't a joke! I'm glad the Jags drafted those two bums because it led to Lawrence.

I'm also glad the Jags hired Urban because it led to Walker and Pederson.

(10-06-2022, 10:34 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Chaisson sucks. Bad pick when he was drafted and still a bad player.

NEXT.

As much of a Jag's Fan that I am, it takes An Tremendous Amount of will power to be negative towards a player. When I do flip that switch I'm usually right. On an personal level I'll Never criticize BUT on an performance level my glass sometimes over flows. I Simply want Our team to have the best players available on the field of play. Shall we Move On?

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

Did Chaisson even play today? Did he get hurt again? I mean he was on the field pre-game BUT I don't remember seeing him during the game.

No Pun Intended. Honest enquiry...

NH3...

(10-09-2022, 05:09 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Did Chaisson even play today? Did he get hurt again? I mean he was on the field pre-game BUT I don't remember seeing him during the game.

No Pun Intended. Honest enquiry...

NH3...

He and Walker were stuck to thier blockers like.....VELCRO!

Was hard to see during the broadcast, but I'm curious who was blocking Walker primarily. He had 3tkls and 2 assists, but the only time i really heard him mentioned was because of the penalty.