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It looks like bartch is out for the season?

(10-12-2022, 10:33 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]It looks like bartch is out for the season?

https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

Yup. Shatley starts at LG.

(10-12-2022, 10:33 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 10:33 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]It looks like bartch is out for the season?

https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

Yup. Shatley starts at LG.

Bummer.

Welp, they signed a guard off the street and have Van Lanen coming back from injury too. 

Maybe one of the 3 can step up. 

(10-11-2022, 12:54 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 12:49 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]not if your the jags. you set record  to be only team in nfl to lose 3 stright games to a winless team,and your always the first team to lose to a team that hasn't won a game. anyone can beat the same ol jags. nothigs changed. 

I'm going to start matt ryan in 1 of my fansty leagues this week.

You ok ?

yes i am ok,im just being real  right now Jags stink. Lost to winless  texans on your own home field isn't a winning team.   I'm not expecting playoffs or anything,but if the team is really getting better yoou should be able to beat the  bad teams in the League,but jags can't do that.

(10-12-2022, 11:50 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 12:54 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]You ok ?

yes i am ok,im just being real  right now Jags stink. Lost to winless  texans on your own home field isn't a winning team.   I'm not expecting playoffs or anything,but if the team is really getting better yoou should be able to beat the  bad teams in the League,but jags can't do that.

It happens bub. Home field advantage is coach speak. Our cheering don’t make them any better or any faster or any of that. Their paychecks takes care of any will to play better. 

Don’t get so emotionally involved. Just sit back and watch.

https://twitter.com/fboutsiders/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

"The Jags need to run the ball more!"

(10-12-2022, 12:29 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/fboutsiders/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

"The Jags need to run the ball more!"

They do need to run it more - since they are still averaging 4.2 YPC despite getting stuffed that often. 

I mean, it's not rocket science to see when certain run concepts are working for us really well. Yet we don't seem to take advantage of the success by staying with it.

(10-12-2022, 01:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 12:29 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/fboutsiders/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

"The Jags need to run the ball more!"

They do need to run it more - since they are still averaging 4.2 YPC despite getting stuffed that often. 

I mean, it's not rocket science to see when certain run concepts are working for us really well. Yet we don't seem to take advantage of the success by staying with it.

Etieene is averaging 4.9 ypc.  I have always thought he is elite but if we are last in getting stuffed against the run it shows you how good he really is at averaging 5 ypc., not to mention J Rob at 4.2.  Run the ball

(10-12-2022, 12:29 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/fboutsiders/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

"The Jags need to run the ball more!"

(10-12-2022, 01:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 12:29 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/fboutsiders/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

"The Jags need to run the ball more!"

They do need to run it more - since they are still averaging 4.2 YPC despite getting stuffed that often. 

I mean, it's not rocket science to see when certain run concepts are working for us really well. Yet we don't seem to take advantage of the success by staying with it.

(10-12-2022, 02:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 01:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]They do need to run it more - since they are still averaging 4.2 YPC despite getting stuffed that often. 

I mean, it's not rocket science to see when certain run concepts are working for us really well. Yet we don't seem to take advantage of the success by staying with it.

Etieene is averaging 4.9 ypc.  I have always thought he is elite but if we are last in getting stuffed against the run it shows you how good he really is at averaging 5 ypc., not to mention J Rob at 4.2.  Run the ball

They're still 6th in total rushing yardage in the AFC and 16th overall in the NFL. The running game is something we would see more of if they could just get out to a faster, earlier start offensively when Pederson is calling the plays. Again, it's Pederson's philosophy and approach. 

Which is true. Go back to the home opener where they shut out their opponent. Robinson ended up with 23 carries and Etienne ended up with 9. Go to the next game in L.A. Robinson ended up with 17 carries and Etienne ended up with 13. 

I think the other issue though is the nature in which they're running the football. I think we can all agree that it was frustrating to see Robinson on 4th and 1 running out of the shotgun formation. This is where I feel Pederson can improve his coaching a bit. 

I also think he needs to reconsider dialing back Lawrence's pass attempts once they start creeping inside the redzone. Or, at the minimum, get away from the shotgun formation and get them into formations that he was more comfortable doing at Clemson with split backfields and staggered formations. 

It's frustrating at times. I keep calling for it but I really want to see more screens overall in this offense. Don't care if it's geared towards the TE or RB position but it needs to just happen more frequently. You see this ALL the [BLEEP] time too with Kansas City and Buffalo. Once they start getting around the 20 yard mark and they're threatening to score they start going to the TE and RB.

It's rare you see an empty backfield from the 20 with Allen and Mahomes having no safety valve to either split out wide in motion or stay with them behind the LOS to offer a chip block or block/release. Those shovel passes to Kelce and Knox are common in their offensive approach.

Just not understanding why Pederson seems to stay away from it here Vs. what he did in Philadelphia with Ertz and Goedert. I get it. Arnold, Engram and Manhertz may not be THAT GOOD. But, [BLEEP], you're paying Engram $10M this year to show you that he could at least be that effective, athletic receiving threat that he was billed as coming out of Ole' Miss. Arnold and Manhertz are also more than capable.

Goes back to the ground game too. Why run the damn thing out of the shotgun when you can bring a pair of TE's into the mix and potentially sell a run and catch Arnold, Engram or Manhertz WIDE OPEN on a quick hitch inside or a flat route? Should be more routine in this offense yet it's not.

(10-12-2022, 04:55 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jaguars/status/15802...OUB_JdeH7Q

My biggest concern with Fatukasi out was something happening to Hamilton.  We need at least one of them and if both are out its almost a guaranteed loss.  Its way early but my number one need next year is a DT/3-4 end

Taylor's got a toe and ankle. Even if he plays he isn't full strength. Hines got a bad concussion. I doubt he plays. Indy's OL is a trainwreck and our DL is pretty good. Their punt and PK are weak. We will score on them. I don't think they can hurt us much if we don't turn over the ball.

24-10 Jags

(10-12-2022, 12:29 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/fboutsiders/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

"The Jags need to run the ball more!"

Guess ETN and JR are just not as good as we thought.

(10-12-2022, 08:54 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 12:29 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/fboutsiders/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

"The Jags need to run the ball more!"

Guess ETN and JR are just not as good as we thought.

That stat is about Cam, Bartch, Fortner ,  not the backs.

(10-12-2022, 08:54 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 12:29 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/fboutsiders/status/1...M5BOCxw4Ow

"The Jags need to run the ball more!"

Guess ETN and JR are just not as good as we thought.

I think it shows the opposite if that stat is accurate.  Jags RBs gets stuffed the most yet J Rob is still averaging over 4 yoc and Etienne is averaging 5 ypc., pretty impressive.  It's not a good stat for the oline though

(10-13-2022, 08:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 08:54 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Guess ETN and JR are just not as good as we thought.

I think it shows the opposite if that stat is accurate.  Jags RBs gets stuffed the most yet J Rob is still averaging over 4 yoc and Etienne is averaging 5 ypc., pretty impressive.  It's not a good stat for the oline though

I think their YPC is a bit skewed. They averaged under 3 in their win against the Colts. Just over 4 in the win against the Chargers (awful run defense) and that's with the 50 yard TD on 4th and 1. I don't think this team is consistently good at running the ball and yet everyone wants them to run the ball more. If you're getting stuffed on 31% of your runs, you likely need to establish the pass so it loosens up the defense more which is exactly what Pederson does.

(10-13-2022, 08:52 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 08:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it shows the opposite if that stat is accurate.  Jags RBs gets stuffed the most yet J Rob is still averaging over 4 yoc and Etienne is averaging 5 ypc., pretty impressive.  It's not a good stat for the oline though

I think their YPC is a bit skewed. They averaged under 3 in their win against the Colts. Just over 4 in the win against the Chargers (awful run defense) and that's with the 50 yard TD on 4th and 1. I don't think this team is consistently good at running the ball and yet everyone wants them to run the ball more. If you're getting stuffed on 31% of your runs, you likely need to establish the pass so it loosens up the defense more which is exactly what Pederson does.

I think the average for the Colt game is skewed because that last quarter we ran it close to 15 times to just run the clock down when the defense had the box stacked playing the run, they knew we were running out the clock.  It's no secret what Doug wants to do and teams know this which is why I think it's been a little difficult as of late.  He could switch it up a little and try to let the run set up the pass and see how it plays out. With that said I think the game plan could very each game depending on whom we play.  Last week we played the 31st ranked run D and the team with probably the worst DT/LB group in the league, we should of tried to run it down their throat and we were gashing them with Etienne then he decided to quit giving to him amd try to put it all on Trevor again.

(10-13-2022, 08:52 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 08:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it shows the opposite if that stat is accurate.  Jags RBs gets stuffed the most yet J Rob is still averaging over 4 yoc and Etienne is averaging 5 ypc., pretty impressive.  It's not a good stat for the oline though

I think their YPC is a bit skewed. They averaged under 3 in their win against the Colts. Just over 4 in the win against the Chargers (awful run defense) and that's with the 50 yard TD on 4th and 1. I don't think this team is consistently good at running the ball and yet everyone wants them to run the ball more. If you're getting stuffed on 31% of your runs, you likely need to establish the pass so it loosens up the defense more which is exactly what Pederson does.

Dude. 

They ran JRob into a loaded box the whole 4th quarter (and half of the 3rd)  just to chew clock vs Indy. 

C'mon. Think about that stat a little harder. They were hitting ~ 5 YPC before that quite easily.

(10-13-2022, 11:57 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 08:52 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I think their YPC is a bit skewed. They averaged under 3 in their win against the Colts. Just over 4 in the win against the Chargers (awful run defense) and that's with the 50 yard TD on 4th and 1. I don't think this team is consistently good at running the ball and yet everyone wants them to run the ball more. If you're getting stuffed on 31% of your runs, you likely need to establish the pass so it loosens up the defense more which is exactly what Pederson does.

Dude. 

They ran JRob into a loaded box the whole 4th quarter (and half of the 3rd)  just to chew clock vs Indy. 

C'mon. Think about that stat a little harder. They were hitting ~ 5 YPC before that quite easily.

I mean you're not wrong and maybe that's playing into the 31% stuff rate.

I know we all want them to run the ball more but I'm not sure they're very consistent or efficient at that.

It's nothing against JRob or ETN btw. I think they're fine.