The DC mistake is on Doug. Pederson is 100% all in as an offensive coach - the last thing he should be doing is hiring a first-time DC to shore up that side of the ball. Doug really should have hired someone with more experience for that role.
(12-05-2022, 11:18 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 07:01 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I don't blame Baalke. He's done a lot with this roster. I blame Caldwell. Twelve games into the season, they should not be blowing coverages like this. Detroit scored on every possession. What I saw out there was confusion and missed assignments. Now knowing where to line up or who you're supposed to cover is not the result of a lack of talent. If we hadn't blown coverages late in at least 3 games, we'd have 7 wins and Trent Baalke wouldn't even be mentioned.
(WRONG!!! They didn't score on the kneel-down possession.
Signed - JW)
And Trevor must be part Gumby. Shocking that nothing more serious didn't happen to his knee or ankle. I kind of quit giving a crap about how we got our [BLEEP] handed to us yesterday when he went back into the game.
I didn’t say that.
(12-05-2022, 03:27 PM)JW Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 11:18 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ](WRONG!!! They didn't score on the kneel-down possession.
Signed - JW)
And Trevor must be part Gumby. Shocking that nothing more serious didn't happen to his knee or ankle. I kind of quit giving a crap about how we got our [BLEEP] handed to us yesterday when he went back into the game.
I didn’t say that.
The other one.
Our record sucks because of our losses early in the season. Once you get to around 4-7 / 4-8 in the league, you're usually done. However, we finally have a competitive team. This loss was ugly, but I still think we are much improved.
(12-05-2022, 06:50 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Our record sucks because of our losses early in the season. Once you get to around 4-7 / 4-8 in the league, you're usually done. However, we finally have a competitive team. This loss was ugly, but I still think we are much improved.
Will be interesting if they mentally check out now or show they're still buying in.
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(12-05-2022, 08:13 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 06:50 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Our record sucks because of our losses early in the season. Once you get to around 4-7 / 4-8 in the league, you're usually done. However, we finally have a competitive team. This loss was ugly, but I still think we are much improved.
Will be interesting if they mentally check out now or show they're still buying in.
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Maybe it was a wake up call and we might see some change
(12-05-2022, 01:33 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 01:25 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]The league is garbage with less scoring and less entertainment across the board and yet we break the trend and get 40 dropped on us. We are helped out this week by the Colts getting thrashed by Dallas.
I am not patient with the owner and front office but they are saved by the head coach and growth of the QB. This is a pitiful roster still in a pitiful league. They should be able to turn it around but sadly for the fans it will take more time.
All you need are the right leaders in the right spots.
Pederson has proven that. He's changed this offense.
All we need is a better DC. That's obvious.
I'm not sure why so many here are so fatalistic about the future. If you have the right management, you can get the best out of your personnel. Pederson is getting the best out of our offense, to the point where we are nearly playoff contenders, even with a garbage Defensive Coordinator.
If, come March, Pederson says that we are going with Caldwell as the DC... Then I'll start to get negative. But I think Pederson will evaluate the defense and realize that the coaching on that side of the ball has been unacceptable.
So you're saying that guys like Griffin, Jenkins, RoyRob, Williams and the like are just fine, all we need to do is change who's calling the D?
Might be a little of both failures - we've brought in mediocre guys, gotten less than mediocre results.
(12-05-2022, 03:27 PM)JW Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 11:18 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ](WRONG!!! They didn't score on the kneel-down possession.
Signed - JW)
And Trevor must be part Gumby. Shocking that nothing more serious didn't happen to his knee or ankle. I kind of quit giving a crap about how we got our [BLEEP] handed to us yesterday when he went back into the game.
I didn’t say that.
(This is the most JW response imaginable!)
If you've been around since '07, surely you crossed paths with JaguarWoman. And no, I refuse to stop calling you Shirley.
Everytime the Jags win, they (and we) think they're better than they really are.
The following week they get crushed and get brought back down to earth
(12-05-2022, 01:47 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]The DC mistake is on Doug. Pederson is 100% all in as an offensive coach - the last thing he should be doing is hiring a first-time DC to shore up that side of the ball. Doug really should have hired someone with more experience for that role.
That is all true in hindsight, and he definitely needs to make an adjustment at DC.
(12-06-2022, 10:41 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 01:33 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]All you need are the right leaders in the right spots.
Pederson has proven that. He's changed this offense.
All we need is a better DC. That's obvious.
I'm not sure why so many here are so fatalistic about the future. If you have the right management, you can get the best out of your personnel. Pederson is getting the best out of our offense, to the point where we are nearly playoff contenders, even with a garbage Defensive Coordinator.
If, come March, Pederson says that we are going with Caldwell as the DC... Then I'll start to get negative. But I think Pederson will evaluate the defense and realize that the coaching on that side of the ball has been unacceptable.
So you're saying that guys like Griffin, Jenkins, RoyRob, Williams and the like are just fine, all we need to do is change who's calling the D?
Might be a little of both failures - we've brought in mediocre guys, gotten less than mediocre results.
(12-05-2022, 03:27 PM)JW Wrote: [ -> ]I didn’t say that.
(This is the most JW response imaginable!)
If you've been around since '07, surely you crossed paths with JaguarWoman. And no, I refuse to stop calling you Shirley.
A classic arguement in bad faith.
Where did I say Shaq Griffin should be kept? Shaq Griffin is in IR and will never wear a Jaguar Jersey again. The fact that you would even mention Shaq Griffin is proof you're not really here to discuss what's best for the franchise, you just want to argue for the sake of argueing.
I'm tired of that type of stuff.
Enjoy your pyric victory.
(12-05-2022, 10:09 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 08:13 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Will be interesting if they mentally check out now or show they're still buying in.
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Maybe it was a wake up call and we might see some change
Starts with Caldwell. I really think these next five weeks will determine his future in Jacksonville already. Baalke went top heavy on defense the last two years, in particular, he picked up players that are known for snuffing out the run.
If this team gets steamrolled by Henry twice, Pierce again on the road in Houston, Pollard/Elliot at home and the Jets backfield in New York? Both of them will have a lot to answer for as soon as week 17 is concluded and behind us.
You cannot have sloppy performances anymore. The crossing route [BLEEP] needs to stop. The lack of push in the pass rushing department needs to stop. If you're going to make any changes this is the time to do it now with four of your games falling within the conference and three divisionally.
Walker needs to be moved inside. Lloyd needs to be spotted over on weakside. I can understand if you don't want to do that on 1st and 2nd downs but it absolutely needs to be the formation called when it's 3rd and 7 or longer. That's the right spot to involve that formation. Gives you enough speed to effect the QB while also giving you enough power and quickness to react to a RB screen or draw play.
[La Canfora] I also continue to hear a Jaguars front office shake-up is forthcoming, with Trent Baalke perhaps sticking around in another role, but with his future as a GM very much in the balance. Coach Doug Pederson could come away with more power in Jacksonville.
Baalke must be doing something right.. Of course, it may not be football related.
(12-06-2022, 03:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ][La Canfora] I also continue to hear a Jaguars front office shake-up is forthcoming, with Trent Baalke perhaps sticking around in another role, but with his future as a GM very much in the balance. Coach Doug Pederson could come away with more power in Jacksonville.
Not surprising. Still feel like they should pursue Rick Spielman. I like Pederson as a coach. I would be concerned with him taking on anymore added responsibilities outside of coaching and input with the personnel department. That's what got Tom Coughlin into trouble here as a football coach.
(12-06-2022, 03:19 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke must be doing something right.. Of course, it may not be football related.
Maybe he's mastered the art of not being a butthole behind closed doors and is genuinely decent to work with. Having said that. It continues to bother the [BLEEP] out of me with Khan's cyclical need to keep holdovers from previously failed marriages. The guy just cannot completely clean house to save his life.
It's like waking up on an off day and saying "Well, today I will clean the house". Instead of cleaning the house you end up eating an edible, washing a few dishes and then busting a nut and going back to bed. Meanwhile, the house is disorganized, the trash wasn't taken out and the floors are [BLEEP] filthy.
"Well, I'll clean all of that [BLEEP] up too, man, maybe.... like...sometime next year".
(12-06-2022, 03:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2022, 03:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ][La Canfora] I also continue to hear a Jaguars front office shake-up is forthcoming, with Trent Baalke perhaps sticking around in another role, but with his future as a GM very much in the balance. Coach Doug Pederson could come away with more power in Jacksonville.
Not surprising. Still feel like they should pursue Rick Spielman. I like Pederson as a coach. I would be concerned with him taking on anymore added responsibilities outside of coaching and input with the personnel department. That's what got Tom Coughlin into trouble here as a football coach.
(12-06-2022, 03:19 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke must be doing something right.. Of course, it may not be football related.
Maybe he's mastered the art of not being a butthole behind closed doors and is genuinely decent to work with. Having said that. It continues to bother the [BLEEP] out of me with Khan's cyclical need to keep holdovers from previously failed marriages. The guy just cannot completely clean house to save his life.
It's like waking up on an off day and saying "Well, today I will clean the house". Instead of cleaning the house you end up eating an edible, washing a few dishes and then busting a nut and going back to bed. Meanwhile, the house is disorganized, the trash wasn't taken out and the floors are [BLEEP] filthy.
"Well, I'll clean all of that [BLEEP] up to, man, maybe.... like...sometime next year".
I'm sure he's good at..
something.
(12-06-2022, 03:33 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2022, 03:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Not surprising. Still feel like they should pursue Rick Spielman. I like Pederson as a coach. I would be concerned with him taking on anymore added responsibilities outside of coaching and input with the personnel department. That's what got Tom Coughlin into trouble here as a football coach.
Maybe he's mastered the art of not being a butthole behind closed doors and is genuinely decent to work with. Having said that. It continues to bother the [BLEEP] out of me with Khan's cyclical need to keep holdovers from previously failed marriages. The guy just cannot completely clean house to save his life.
It's like waking up on an off day and saying "Well, today I will clean the house". Instead of cleaning the house you end up eating an edible, washing a few dishes and then busting a nut and going back to bed. Meanwhile, the house is disorganized, the trash wasn't taken out and the floors are [BLEEP] filthy.
"Well, I'll clean all of that [BLEEP] up to, man, maybe.... like...sometime next year".
I'm sure he's good at.. something.
Would explain the raspy voice...
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(12-06-2022, 03:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ][La Canfora] I also continue to hear a Jaguars front office shake-up is forthcoming, with Trent Baalke perhaps sticking around in another role, but with his future as a GM very much in the balance. Coach Doug Pederson could come away with more power in Jacksonville.
Where did you hear this? Do you have a link?
(12-06-2022, 11:07 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 01:47 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]The DC mistake is on Doug. Pederson is 100% all in as an offensive coach - the last thing he should be doing is hiring a first-time DC to shore up that side of the ball. Doug really should have hired someone with more experience for that role.
That is all true in hindsight, and he definitely needs to make an adjustment at DC.
Doug knows offense as well as anyone and still hired guys with crap-tons of offensive experience to help him on that side of the ball. I was really surprised he went with a first-time DC when he initially made the hire, and even more surprised now when it seems painfully obvious that Doug doesn't appear to know how to help his struggling DC.
(12-06-2022, 10:41 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 01:33 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]All you need are the right leaders in the right spots.
Pederson has proven that. He's changed this offense.
All we need is a better DC. That's obvious.
I'm not sure why so many here are so fatalistic about the future. If you have the right management, you can get the best out of your personnel. Pederson is getting the best out of our offense, to the point where we are nearly playoff contenders, even with a garbage Defensive Coordinator.
If, come March, Pederson says that we are going with Caldwell as the DC... Then I'll start to get negative. But I think Pederson will evaluate the defense and realize that the coaching on that side of the ball has been unacceptable.
So you're saying that guys like Griffin, Jenkins, RoyRob, Williams and the like are just fine, all we need to do is change who's calling the D?
Might be a little of both failures - we've brought in mediocre guys, gotten less than mediocre results.
(12-05-2022, 03:27 PM)JW Wrote: [ -> ]I didn’t say that.
(This is the most JW response imaginable!)
If you've been around since '07, surely you crossed paths with JaguarWoman. And no, I refuse to stop calling you Shirley.
Yea…i talked to her….told her i was the original JW
(12-06-2022, 03:52 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2022, 03:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ][La Canfora] I also continue to hear a Jaguars front office shake-up is forthcoming, with Trent Baalke perhaps sticking around in another role, but with his future as a GM very much in the balance. Coach Doug Pederson could come away with more power in Jacksonville.
Where did you hear this? Do you have a link?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...-hot-seat/