(03-22-2023, 07:32 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 07:19 AM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke’s draft picks with San Fran 2011-2016
https://www.ninersnation.com/platform/am...icks-49ers
Yet, they had a nice little run out West with similar results to exactly what Lynch and Shanahan are doing now and since his departure. Close, but no cigar. Championship appearances with losses.
That article was written in 2018 to be fair. I wonder what that writer thinks of the Trey Lance trade and the fact that they now have him and Purdy to fix the QB situation.
I think Baalke has fared better here. Especially with the earlier rounds. Urban Miller was Khan's choice. Not Baalke's. Etienne landed on IR as a rookie. Cisco and Walker were not used at all that much.
Caldwell also left this team in far worse shape than Baalke did the 49ers. Last year's free agency haul for him was also one of the better hauls this franchise has seen in years.
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Completely agree that he’s done a much better job with the Jags. I guess the point I’m getting at is if you’re going to be a “draft and develop” football team then your GM has to draft well, especially in rounds 3-5.
(03-21-2023, 05:20 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2023, 07:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Has anyone?
I'll argue the Jags had decent 2nd and 3rd days in 2009 and 2014. Honorable mention for 2004 when we picked up Bobby McCray in the 7th round.
As for Baalke, he did trade a 6th rounder for Blaine Gabbert in 2014. Not sure what that says about his day 2 performance.
Probably nothing, since Rd 6 is a day 3 pick
(03-22-2023, 08:01 AM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 07:32 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Yet, they had a nice little run out West with similar results to exactly what Lynch and Shanahan are doing now and since his departure. Close, but no cigar. Championship appearances with losses.
That article was written in 2018 to be fair. I wonder what that writer thinks of the Trey Lance trade and the fact that they now have him and Purdy to fix the QB situation.
I think Baalke has fared better here. Especially with the earlier rounds. Urban Miller was Khan's choice. Not Baalke's. Etienne landed on IR as a rookie. Cisco and Walker were not used at all that much.
Caldwell also left this team in far worse shape than Baalke did the 49ers. Last year's free agency haul for him was also one of the better hauls this franchise has seen in years.
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Completely agree that he’s done a much better job with the Jags. I guess the point I’m getting at is if you’re going to be a “draft and develop” football team then your GM has to draft well, especially in rounds 3-5.
"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
(03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 08:01 AM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree that he’s done a much better job with the Jags. I guess the point I’m getting at is if you’re going to be a “draft and develop” football team then your GM has to draft well, especially in rounds 3-5.
"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
Of course the team cannot spend big after last season. But if they don’t bring back Gotsis and Herndon maybe, just maybe, they might be able to add a slot corner or TE.
I certainly agree that several of the listed picks need more developmental time. Cisco would certainly seem to be a hit.
(03-22-2023, 11:06 AM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
Of course the team cannot spend big after last season. But if they don’t bring back Gotsis and Herndon maybe, just maybe, they might be able to add a slot corner or TE.
I certainly agree that several of the listed picks need more developmental time. Cisco would certainly seem to be a hit.
Deep class at slot CB and TE though. Probably the logic behind not adding anybody too expensive via free agency.
We can get a guy like Sydney Brown, Riley Moss or Garrett Williams at some point in RD3/RD4 to fill the slot role. We still have two returning CBs from last year's class to challenge Herndon for his job.
TE wise there's a good one to be had in virtually every round this year. Not sweating it as much but I think they'll look to move Farrell up into Arnold's role and then draft another Manhertz type on day 3.
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(03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 08:01 AM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree that he’s done a much better job with the Jags. I guess the point I’m getting at is if you’re going to be a “draft and develop” football team then your GM has to draft well, especially in rounds 3-5.
"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
A meaningless stat considering how much the cap goes up year to year.
(03-22-2023, 06:57 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
A meaningless stat considering how much the cap goes up year to year.
If it was meaningless, we wouldn't be trying to figure out how to upgrade 5 positions with newly drafted rookies and lower tier free agents. We'd have already signed premier free agents for at least three of those spots.
It matters. The cap increase is usually only 5-9% in normal years. You're reaching - and failing.
(03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 08:01 AM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree that he’s done a much better job with the Jags. I guess the point I’m getting at is if you’re going to be a “draft and develop” football team then your GM has to draft well, especially in rounds 3-5.
"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
(03-22-2023, 07:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 06:57 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]A meaningless stat considering how much the cap goes up year to year.
If it was meaningless, we wouldn't be trying to figure out how to upgrade 5 positions with newly drafted rookies and lower tier free agents. We'd have already signed premier free agents for at least three of those spots.
It matters. The cap increase is usually only 5-9% in normal years. You're reaching - and failing.
We have spent the most money in free agency, not only this past season but in total since 2012. Source: (
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880...cent-years)
WE HAVE ALSO HAD A TON OF CAP SPACE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY FOR A MAJORITY OF THOSE 10 OFF SEASONS.
So once again, you absolute bafoon. Your point is irrelevant as usual.
(03-22-2023, 08:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
(03-22-2023, 07:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If it was meaningless, we wouldn't be trying to figure out how to upgrade 5 positions with newly drafted rookies and lower tier free agents. We'd have already signed premier free agents for at least three of those spots.
It matters. The cap increase is usually only 5-9% in normal years. You're reaching - and failing.
We have spent the most money in free agency, not only this past season but in total since 2012. Source: (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880...cent-years)
WE HAVE ALSO HAD A TON OF CAP SPACE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY FOR A MAJORITY OF THOSE 10 OFF SEASONS.
So once again, you absolute bafoon. Your point is irrelevant as usual.
Go back and look at the sentence of mine that you bolded. This was
your point. Your debate. You quoted me.
Don't try to twist it into something else other than what you quoted me on.
It doesn't say "we just spent a lot of money in free agency - so we can't do it again."
It doesn't say "our prior regime cumulatively spent a lot over an 8 year stretch - so we can't do it again."
It says we set a new record for a single offseason in FA spending.
Cap increase be damned. There is literally no way we could spend big again this year, and any big spending the following offseason is likely going to be used retaining our own players. My assertion is accurate.
Another side of this that should be obvious is that we should NOT want our team to not spend big in free agency in consecutive years. It usually means multiple signings or picks have busted or a team is propping up a roster for a short window of contention.
(03-22-2023, 06:57 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
A meaningless stat considering how much the cap goes up year to year.
meaningless, but you have been banging the drum over wasteful spending of 2.6M for Herndon?
good one.
(03-22-2023, 08:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
(03-22-2023, 07:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If it was meaningless, we wouldn't be trying to figure out how to upgrade 5 positions with newly drafted rookies and lower tier free agents. We'd have already signed premier free agents for at least three of those spots.
It matters. The cap increase is usually only 5-9% in normal years. You're reaching - and failing.
We have spent the most money in free agency, not only this past season but in total since 2012. Source: (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880...cent-years)
WE HAVE ALSO HAD A TON OF CAP SPACE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY FOR A MAJORITY OF THOSE 10 OFF SEASONS.
So once again, you absolute bafoon. Your point is irrelevant as usual.
when you fail in the darft, you spend in FA trying to right your wrong. I wonder how our darfts went over that span of time?
Sure the cap goes up, but spending in FA is more a sign that you're not doing well in growing your own, and usually that comes at a premium.
Had we darfted anyone worth keeping (or had a team that was desirable for talent to want to stay and build), FA spending would be an afterthought. We didn't spend just because the cap was going up. We were spending because we sucked at loud at building from the ground up.
(03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 08:01 AM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree that he’s done a much better job with the Jags. I guess the point I’m getting at is if you’re going to be a “draft and develop” football team then your GM has to draft well, especially in rounds 3-5.
"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
Fortner was a reach. The team went for "intelligence" over raw talent. His ceiling is limited. Conner is a bust.
Cisco is talented, but to me he should be playing free safety, not hovering around the line so much. Tufele was cut too soon. Jordan Smith and Luke Farrell were Urban Meyer specials, so we can't attribute those to Baalke.
Muma and Cisco are core defensive players and hopefully Farrell can fill Manhertz's blocking TE shoes. I give Baalke's mid-round work a B-/C+. Caldwell seemed to be better at the lower rounds, but he of course was an F 1st round drafter, which got him fired.
(03-23-2023, 09:32 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
Fortner was a reach. The team went for "intelligence" over raw talent. His ceiling is limited. Conner is a bust.
Cisco is talented, but to me he should be playing free safety, not hovering around the line so much. Tufele was cut too soon. Jordan Smith and Luke Farrell were Urban Meyer specials, so we can't attribute those to Baalke.
Muma and Cisco are core defensive players and hopefully Farrell can fill Manhertz's blocking TE shoes. I give Baalke's mid-round work a B-/C+. Caldwell seemed to be better at the lower rounds, but he of course was an F 1st round drafter, which got him fired.
Fortner was not a reach. That was a necessary need with the adequate amount of value there. After I actually read and found out that he played three or four years at guard and then played his last year at Center I put that on Baalke and the staff. Just like they did with Walker and Lloyd. They played three of their first four selections selected within the first three rounds out of position as rookies.
For better or worse, we won't really know what that yields the team in 2023 until they take the field and start to play again. Calling a 4th or 5th RD selection a bust after one year is just rich. Cisco was limited as a rookie. I think our year two and year three guys are going to be pretty damn good in 2023. It's inevitable. The game slows down. You know the system now. There's a benefit to bringing guys back as well.
Not worried about the TE group anymore. I was one of those "We have to have a pair of receiving weapons at TE" when Pederson was hired. However, after one year with this WR group? In addition to Ridley? It's pretty clear Pederson can make anything work regardless of the level of skill he has at his disposal at any position group. It's a deep TE class anyways. Engram and Farrell are enough for now. I could see them drafting two TE's late just to be safe.
Again, I was big on the Washington and Mayer train earlier this year. My focus is shifting back towards line play on both sides. We need another edge rusher. We need another interior lineman and tackle. I think we should be looking at guys like Zack Kuntz & Will Mallory and maybe Sam LaPorta. And less concerned with bigger names like Washington, Mayer, Kincaid, etc.
(03-23-2023, 09:32 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
Fortner was a reach. The team went for "intelligence" over raw talent. His ceiling is limited. Conner is a bust.
Cisco is talented, but to me he should be playing free safety, not hovering around the line so much. Tufele was cut too soon. Jordan Smith and Luke Farrell were Urban Meyer specials, so we can't attribute those to Baalke.
Muma and Cisco are core defensive players and hopefully Farrell can fill Manhertz's blocking TE shoes. I give Baalke's mid-round work a B-/C+. Caldwell seemed to be better at the lower rounds, but he of course was an F 1st round drafter, which got him fired.
Fortner could work out fine if he gets stronger, anchors better, and recognizes stunts quicker. All things that second year centers might actually do in year two. We'll see. Did they reach? Probably a bit, but it's early to say they reached too far for a payoff. I'm crossing my fingers here. I actually like the kid, I just get scared he's gonna get TL hurt and not create clean pockets very often.
Cisco
is playing free safety. They do switch them occasionally and try to disguise coverage, but if you watch him after the snap he is almost always dropping or backpedaling either to single-high, a quadrant, a deep-half, or shading to bracket a dangerous receiver. He doesn't stay in the box much at all post snap.
Getting rid of Tufele still makes absolutely no sense.
Nice evaluation there. When thinking of the draft, I am leaning on a little of quotes from recent years.
Free agents are certainly more expensive.
We are in the draft and develop mode.
Trying to build a big physical football team
Size matters
It's a big mans game, fast guys will slow down as the season progresses big guys are still big.
Get to the stadium in busses not in a Volkswagen.
I can't see them switching players we already have invested a year in to new positions this year.
Also, I believe they will draft players that are flexible across a few positions as they attach value to that ability.
(03-22-2023, 08:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"Going to be a draft and develop football team..."
We just spent the most money in free agency EVER SPENT - just last season.
When you do that - the next two years are going to be "draft and develop" oriented whether you like it or not.
So far - what we have to judge Baalke on in rounds 3-5 is hit and miss - or incomplete:
Fortner
Muma
Conner
Cisco
Tufele
Jordan Smith
Luke Farrell
You've got 3 guys that look promising, one guy they probably cut too soon (Tufele) , one guy who is solid depth with some potential (Farrell), and Conner/Smith who are long shots to succeed.
From this list - it would appear it is rounds 4 and 5 that are tough for Baalke. (like most GMs I imagine)
His round 3 picks all appear on a decent trajectory for success, albeit early to be certain for 2 of them.
(03-22-2023, 07:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If it was meaningless, we wouldn't be trying to figure out how to upgrade 5 positions with newly drafted rookies and lower tier free agents. We'd have already signed premier free agents for at least three of those spots.
It matters. The cap increase is usually only 5-9% in normal years. You're reaching - and failing.
We have spent the most money in free agency, not only this past season but in total since 2012. Source: (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880...cent-years)
WE HAVE ALSO HAD A TON OF CAP SPACE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY FOR A MAJORITY OF THOSE 10 OFF SEASONS.
So once again, you absolute bafoon. Your point is irrelevant as usual.
Is a bafoon anything like a buffoon?
Asking for a friend.
(03-23-2023, 11:58 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 08:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]We have spent the most money in free agency, not only this past season but in total since 2012. Source: (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880...cent-years)
WE HAVE ALSO HAD A TON OF CAP SPACE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY FOR A MAJORITY OF THOSE 10 OFF SEASONS.
So once again, you absolute bafoon. Your point is irrelevant as usual.
Is a bafoon anything like a buffoon?
Asking for a friend.
@Like I'd believe that you have friends.@
what a maroon
(03-22-2023, 10:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2023, 08:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]We have spent the most money in free agency, not only this past season but in total since 2012. Source: (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880...cent-years)
WE HAVE ALSO HAD A TON OF CAP SPACE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY FOR A MAJORITY OF THOSE 10 OFF SEASONS.
So once again, you absolute bafoon. Your point is irrelevant as usual.
Go back and look at the sentence of mine that you bolded. This was your point. Your debate. You quoted me.
Don't try to twist it into something else other than what you quoted me on.
It doesn't say "we just spent a lot of money in free agency - so we can't do it again."
It doesn't say "our prior regime cumulatively spent a lot over an 8 year stretch - so we can't do it again."
It says we set a new record for a single offseason in FA spending.
Cap increase be damned. There is literally no way we could spend big again this year, and any big spending the following offseason is likely going to be used retaining our own players. My assertion is accurate.
Another side of this that should be obvious is that we should NOT want our team to not spend big in free agency in consecutive years. It usually means multiple signings or picks have busted or a team is propping up a roster for a short window of contention.
(03-23-2023, 12:10 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2023, 11:58 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Is a bafoon anything like a buffoon?
Asking for a friend.
@Like I'd believe that you have friends.@
what a maroon
I miss Doug too, I'm glad we got another Doug in his place.
(03-23-2023, 02:18 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2023, 08:29 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]meaningless, but you have been banging the drum over wasteful spending of 2.6M for Herndon?
good one.
when you fail in the darft, you spend in FA trying to right your wrong. I wonder how our darfts went over that span of time?
Sure the cap goes up, but spending in FA is more a sign that you're not doing well in growing your own, and usually that comes at a premium.
Had we darfted anyone worth keeping (or had a team that was desirable for talent to want to stay and build), FA spending would be an afterthought. We didn't spend just because the cap was going up. We were spending because we sucked at loud at building from the ground up.
I have no issue with spending money in free agency, I just don't see why you give a fully guranteed contract to a guy who might not even make the team once we draft a couple dbs. I'm fine with paying the big $ to guys like Kirk/Zay Jones/Scherf etc because they actually provide production to the team, Tre Herndon is a guy who loses you games.
That was not my point, I was saying that it being a "record breaking" amount of money spent in free agency is a redundant stat, i'd imagine some team this season has already spent more than we did last year and if not that "record" will be broken next season because that's just how it goes when the money you're allowed to spend gets increased annually. Last year when we "broke the record" for money spent in free agency, the previous record was set in 2021 by the Pats.. the offseason prior. And guess what, that record broke a record from the year prior.. and so on.
The point about your point was that the record breaking spending was a symptom of our failure to grow our own, not that the league gave us a blank check. The cap went up this past season, and even after we wiggled around to create cap, we didn't spend hardly any in free agency outside of our own guys that have either been drafted, signed, and developed.
Had we had anyone worth keeping that "record breaking FA" number wouldn't have been as inflated as it was.