(01-08-2023, 11:01 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]So 2021 players are no longer Meyer's fault but we should give all the credit to Baalke? hahaha never change guys.
You can’t be serious
I wonder what the O-Line Matters is thinking now.
This thread is likely overrating Baalke, he wasnt as bad as people thought for finding talent last year. Pedersen is the difference. I think thats pretty obvious. Trent did a good job with free agents tho, especially WR, which wasnt his str previously. Also did a good job of not drafting guys with major injuries prior to draft this year. I still think he hurt our chances of getting a good coach last year, but that doesnt matter now, cause doug p came anyway, prob for trevor.
(01-08-2023, 11:46 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2023, 11:01 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]So 2021 players are no longer Meyer's fault but we should give all the credit to Baalke? hahaha never change guys.
Yes, never change.
You just go right on ahead believing that the guy who didn't know who Aaron Donald was orchestrated the 2021 draft.
Which picks do you think Meyer made?
Was it all Meyer?
Did Baalke do anything?
Does it even matter?
Did Urban Meyer tell Baalke and Pederson who to sign in free agency this year?
Because that free agent haul is enough to not give a [BLEEP] about 2021.
The bolded part is exactly what I've been saying when people were trying to fault everything on Meyer duh! now that is looking good (not even all the players and some are still awful choices/FA's) everyone is like "look what Baalke did! such a great GM!"
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(01-08-2023, 11:48 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2023, 11:01 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]So 2021 players are no longer Meyer's fault but we should give all the credit to Baalke? hahaha never change guys.
Ummm, no. But Meyer was clueless, irresponsible, moron not worthy of being an NFL coach.
Other than that, he was great.
Out of curiosity, what good are players if you have no [BLEEP] idea what to do with them?
LOL. Never change.
So hey, are you still gonna make fun of the people who said (me included) that Pederson was the right choice? are you still gonna defend Hackett too?
I also (because I so know you won't remember) said that the most improvement this team would have this year would be because of Pederson not Baalke.... clearly I was wrong!
Urbz probably didn't even know who Jenkins and RRH were lol
You’re making zero sense.
(01-08-2023, 02:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Urbz probably didn't even know who Jenkins and RRH were lol
Which is the point! Of course he didn't have a clue! he didin't choose any FA last year and probably pretty much had nothing to do with the draft... and when this team was doing bad everyone was defending Baalke saying all that was Meyer's fault, now that some of those players are playing good (which should be obvious why) they wan't to give all the credit to Baalke lol
(01-08-2023, 02:07 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2023, 02:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Urbz probably didn't even know who Jenkins and RRH were lol
Which is the point! Of course he didn't have a clue! he didin't choose any FA last year and probably pretty much he had nothing to do with the draft... and when this team was doing bad everyone was defending Baalke saying all that was Meyer's fault, now that some of those players are playing good (which should be obvious why) they wan't to give all the credit to Baalke lol
Everyone was defending Baalke? Lolol. Like 90% of the fan base wanted the man gone lol. Were you not around during the clown out? It was obviously Urbz being now that Jenkins and RRH both look like really good FA additions. Regardless you have to have a good coaching for your players to see if they were good additions or not and now we're are seeing they are.
(01-08-2023, 02:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2023, 02:07 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Which is the point! Of course he didn't have a clue! he didin't choose any FA last year and probably pretty much he had nothing to do with the draft... and when this team was doing bad everyone was defending Baalke saying all that was Meyer's fault, now that some of those players are playing good (which should be obvious why) they wan't to give all the credit to Baalke lol
Everyone was defending Baalke? Lolol. Like 90% of the fan base wanted the man gone lol. Were you not around during the clown out? It was obviously Urbz being now that Jenkins and RRH both look like really good FA additions. Regardless you have to have a good coaching for your players to see if they were good additions or not and now we're are seeing they are.
RHH and Jenkins are mediocre most of the time.
Griffin is awful
Wilson was awful
Agnew is only ok
Manhertz has done nothing
Ward is gone and did nothing
Bunch of wasted money when we could have signed Hendrickson, Williams or others.
All those players are veterans and should have done much better regardless of coaching. None of them was or is good/great.
(01-08-2023, 02:19 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2023, 02:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone was defending Baalke? Lolol. Like 90% of the fan base wanted the man gone lol. Were you not around during the clown out? It was obviously Urbz being now that Jenkins and RRH both look like really good FA additions. Regardless you have to have a good coaching for your players to see if they were good additions or not and now we're are seeing they are.
RHH and Jenkins are mediocre most of the time.
Griffin is awful
Wilson was awful
Agnew is only ok
Manhertz has done nothing
Ward is gone and did nothing
Bunch of wasted money when we could have signed Hendrickson, Williams or others.
All those players are veterans and should have done much better regardless of coaching. None of them was or is good/great.
RRH and Jenkins are 2 players that have been a huge part of the way this D have been playing as of late. All championship defenses have players like that. Donyou expect All Pros at every position at that price tag?
Agnew is the best return man in the league and a decent WR, not ok lol. Griffin is horrible, Ward and Wilson were on a 1 year deals and aren't even on the team anymore lol, Manhertz is on a cheap deal that is a FA at season end. I'm glad we didn't go sign those big contracts like you wanted in the first year of a rebuild because if so we would have Trevor nor some of these FAs we signed this year. You don't hit a home run with every FA signing. I guarantee you look at our FA signings over the last 2 and match it up around the league against all the other teams and our overall signing will look pretty good. He'll, a lot of times FA signings don't even work out.
(01-08-2023, 02:19 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2023, 02:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone was defending Baalke? Lolol. Like 90% of the fan base wanted the man gone lol. Were you not around during the clown out? It was obviously Urbz being now that Jenkins and RRH both look like really good FA additions. Regardless you have to have a good coaching for your players to see if they were good additions or not and now we're are seeing they are.
RHH and Jenkins are mediocre most of the time.
Griffin is awful
Wilson was awful
Agnew is only ok
Manhertz has done nothing
Ward is gone and did nothing
Bunch of wasted money when we could have signed Hendrickson, Williams or others.
All those players are veterans and should have done much better regardless of coaching. None of them was or is good/great.
You're just clowning yourself.
You should stop before you say something that makes you look even more stupid.
Any one who has paid any attention to the NFL for more than a few years knows that the percentage of hits in free agency we've experienced the past two years is high. We've hit on a higher number of free agents than we've missed on and several have been integral to our current win streak and postseason appearance.
Specific to your dumb little list:
Agnew is playing above his contract as a returner and as a receiver (which was never really anticipated.)
That comment is emblematic of your delusion.
Manhertz is getting peanuts to be a 6th linemen on 22 snaps per game. He's doing exactly what is required of him.
LOL - another idiotic assessment.
We’ll never know the full extent of how much involvement on decisions Baalke vs Meyer had and who gets credit for what. What we do know is that Khan knows the answer to that question and he stuck by Baalke in the face of enormous fan pressure to part ways with him.
At minimum, the narrative that Baalke is a snake, cancer, whatever else has been obliterated. We still have a few posters running around the board being completely governed by their negative emotional taek on the guy and their inability to admit they were wrong or got duped by groupthink which was based on little info and a lot of speculation or, lastly, at the very least have the sense to keep their shaky opinions to themselves in the face of the facts at hand that clearly do not support the narrative. Best of luck with that.
Should be enjoying the moment with an open mind that you just might have been wrong, but what do I know.
(01-08-2023, 02:01 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2023, 11:46 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, never change.
You just go right on ahead believing that the guy who didn't know who Aaron Donald was orchestrated the 2021 draft.
Which picks do you think Meyer made?
Was it all Meyer?
Did Baalke do anything?
Does it even matter?
Did Urban Meyer tell Baalke and Pederson who to sign in free agency this year?
Because that free agent haul is enough to not give a [BLEEP] about 2021.
The bolded part is exactly what I've been saying when people were trying to fault everything on Meyer duh! now that is looking good (not even all the players and some are still awful choices/FA's) everyone is like "look what Baalke did! such a great GM!"
(01-08-2023, 11:48 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Ummm, no. But Meyer was clueless, irresponsible, moron not worthy of being an NFL coach.
Other than that, he was great.
Out of curiosity, what good are players if you have no [BLEEP] idea what to do with them?
LOL. Never change.
So hey, are you still gonna make fun of the people who said (me included) that Pederson was the right choice? are you still gonna defend Hackett too?
I also (because I so know you won't remember) said that the most improvement this team would have this year would be because of Pederson not Baalke.... clearly I was wrong!
What in the [BLEEP] are you talking about? I can absolutely guarantee I have never even typed the name Hackett until now. And if you’re going to try to give people [BLEEP], at least make an attempt not to make [BLEEP] up. I was on board with Leftwich and I, more than once, said Pederson was my #2 choice. And before you try to put words…or false statements…in my mouth, a poster a FEW WEEKS AGO was proclaiming Pederson was the right choice before this whole streak started. I said it was too soon to say that because I’ve seen that happen too many times on this board with people jumping all over a player or coach before anything of note actually happened. I never once said that Pederson was THE WRONG CHOICE as you incorrectly state. Aside from all of that…WHAT THE [BLEEP] DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH BAALKE?
(01-08-2023, 11:48 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2023, 11:01 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]So 2021 players are no longer Meyer's fault but we should give all the credit to Baalke? hahaha never change guys.
Ummm, no. But Meyer was clueless, irresponsible, moron not worthy of being an NFL coach.
Other than that, he was great.
Out of curiosity, what good are players if you have no [BLEEP] idea what to do with them?
LOL. Never change.
He was worse than clueless he was absent. Yes, I have always believed the players were Baalke's. Meyers was a large feeling Teflon suit guy, delegate...delegate...delegate. Always has been every where he went. I will say he will not last on TV unless he has some very good writers giving him things to say.
I do recall reading, which suggests Meyer was strongly involved in at least the first two round picks. I remember reading how Meyer wanted speed on offense and touchdown makers (Etienne), plus he liked that Little was a 5-star out of high school.
Anyone saying that this is all Pederson and not Baalke is a fool. He has done a pretty darn good job with this roster.
Alright. Ok. Hang on a sec. I didn’t like Baalke. I will own it. But can we agree that he just looks flaky and snaky? I mean, how would I know he wasn’t after the ‘9er yearsAnd rumors? I think the Baalke haters deserve a little bit of a (how do you golf people say it?) a mulligan?
I judged Baalke on league wide feelings and grumbling. Shame on me for not believing in second chances. I value Pederson over Baalke but they are working together.
I am happy to be wrong. Let's keep building.
(01-08-2023, 02:33 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2023, 02:19 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]RHH and Jenkins are mediocre most of the time.
Griffin is awful
Wilson was awful
Agnew is only ok
Manhertz has done nothing
Ward is gone and did nothing
Bunch of wasted money when we could have signed Hendrickson, Williams or others.
All those players are veterans and should have done much better regardless of coaching. None of them was or is good/great.
RRH and Jenkins are 2 players that have been a huge part of the way this D have been playing as of late. All championship defenses have players like that. Donyou expect All Pros at every position at that price tag?
Agnew is the best return man in the league and a decent WR, not ok lol. Griffin is horrible, Ward and Wilson were on a 1 year deals and aren't even on the team anymore lol, Manhertz is on a cheap deal that is a FA at season end. I'm glad we didn't go sign those big contracts like you wanted in the first year of a rebuild because if so we would have Trevor nor some of these FAs we signed this year. You don't hit a home run with every FA signing. I guarantee you look at our FA signings over the last 2 and match it up around the league against all the other teams and our overall signing will look pretty good. He'll, a lot of times FA signings don't even work out.
Preach! Like the Eagles dream team.
It takes a big man to admit he was wrong and I am that big man.