(01-16-2023, 02:00 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023, 01:57 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Coach Meyer is a good at evaluation of talent. He is not an offensive guru like coach pederson. 2 things can be right at the same time. Now I will say coach Meyer made a huge mistake in not getting a really good offensive coordinator. Coach pederson is one of the best offensive coaches ever. Period.
Go jags!
Who's "coach meyer"? Are you talking about the physically and mentally abusive douche bag that hired racist scum bags and cheated on his wife with skanks at a bar instead of flying home with the rest of his team? The same dude that can't identify HOF caliber players in the NFL and was shocked about how hard the work is in the NFL? You're talking about that guy? LOL. You give too much respect to that piece of [BLEEP].
I understand that he’s the antichrist lol I’m just saying you can give someone some credit while also acknowledging what the person’s problems were too. As far as all that cheating stuff, I don’t agree with it. I hate that. At the same time, there are many people who unfortunately cheat on their significant others. He happened to be a dumb one who went viral. Anyways, I do believe he was instrumental in those picks in that draft that we as jags fans are starting to love. Anyways , that’s all water under the bridge. Jags have one of the best head coaches around now thankfully.
(01-16-2023, 04:35 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023, 01:57 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Coach Meyer is a good at evaluation of talent. He is not an offensive guru like coach pederson. 2 things can be right at the same time. Now I will say coach Meyer made a huge mistake in not getting a really good offensive coordinator. Coach pederson is one of the best offensive coaches ever. Period.
Go jags!
What the hell??? Meyer didn't evaluate much of anything except how he could most effectively delegate any and all work that required actual work. Meyer seemed to have his fingerprints on the ETN pick more than anything, but I imagine pretty much everything else went something like this:
Baalke - "So and so is available with the next pick. You ok with that?"
Meyer - "Sounds good to me. If he doesn't work out, it's your [BLEEP]!"
Coach Meyer recruited all of those players while he was still a college coach if I’m not mistaken. Yes the etn pick was his finger prints most likely.
(01-15-2023, 09:21 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2023, 01:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]WOW
Baalke masterclass is in session, Jaguars fans.
Can't wait to see who is added to this line in March and April.
Trevor deserves better from LG and C.
2021 Draft:
Lawrence
Etienne
Campbell
Little
Cisco
This is looking like the best class in Jaguars history- by a big margin.
Whenever you land a franchise QB its the best draft in team history. The rest is gravy, and boy howdy did we get gallons of gravy
(01-17-2023, 09:15 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2023, 09:21 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]2021 Draft:
Lawrence
Etienne
Campbell
Little
Cisco
This is looking like the best class in Jaguars history- by a big margin.
Whenever you land a franchise QB its the best draft in team history. The rest is gravy, and boy howdy did we get gallons of gravy
True. Still need a little bit more salt and pepper though to put it over the top. By salt and pepper I mean a better offensive line and defensive line.
(01-16-2023, 05:00 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023, 04:35 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]What the hell??? Meyer didn't evaluate much of anything except how he could most effectively delegate any and all work that required actual work. Meyer seemed to have his fingerprints on the ETN pick more than anything, but I imagine pretty much everything else went something like this:
Baalke - "So and so is available with the next pick. You ok with that?"
Meyer - "Sounds good to me. If he doesn't work out, it's your [BLEEP]!"
Coach Meyer recruited all of those players while he was still a college coach if I’m not mistaken. Yes the etn pick was his finger prints most likely.
Stop with this "Coach Meyer" garbage. Urban has been chased out of every job by scandal and last I checked he's not coaching anyone. He's a piece of [BLEEP] who's great at intimidating kids. That's it.
(01-17-2023, 10:50 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023, 05:00 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Coach Meyer recruited all of those players while he was still a college coach if I’m not mistaken. Yes the etn pick was his finger prints most likely.
Stop with this "Coach Meyer" garbage. Urban has been chased out of every job by scandal and last I checked he's not coaching anyone. He's a piece of [BLEEP] who's great at intimidating kids. That's it.
There will always be a small clutch of gatur or buckeye fans out there that cling to some fantasy that he's not a walking pile of excrement.
But, you know...
he is
(01-16-2023, 04:22 PM)cat bells Wrote: [ -> ]Probably the most interesting roster decision in the offseason for me ...
Three into two just won't do
There's literally 5/6 ways it could play out and I won't pretend i have a clue which way they'll go ... If they think Little is the real deal personally i'd be tempted to take what they can get for Cam (where's Dave Caldwell to burgle a 1st and 4th for a busted flush when you need him) and don't look back,... although where that would leave us on the cap, and whether it would even be feasible again i don't know, I'm happy to defer to the more knowledgeable portion of the board on those things.
One ingredient to add to the pot which I haven't seen mentioned though is that as Gajag points out Cam has said on more than one occasion that it's left tackle or bust ... If the staff decide they want to roll with Walker on the left, Robinson might decide he quite fancies a trade himself which would add another rabbit hole for Alice in Baalkeland to disappear down
Interested to see how it plays out, ... To paraphrase an English comic Trent might have to play this as crafty as a fox with a degree in cunning from Yale.
I have trouble seeing a scenario (barring injury) where our tackles next year aren't Cam and Little with Taylor being let go. Cam costs us more to cut than to keep. Considering we're over the salary cap and have some players to sign, I don't see Baalke making our cap worse by getting rid of a starter. The cap implications of trading are the same as if he was cut. I also see us getting very little trade value in return given Cam's salary.
If we cut him after June 1st, we save around a million. That's in the neighborhood of the veteran minimum. How are we going to find a suitable replacement for that money? Some may say the draft, but I think the team will prefer to use the draft to upgrade another position instead of finding a replacement for a player they could have kept. If they are going to cut a starter and draft a replacement, they will do it with a player that provides significant cap savings.
Cam's contract has an "out" after the 2023 season. I think they'll wait until at least then if they want to move on from him.
(01-17-2023, 10:26 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023, 04:22 PM)cat bells Wrote: [ -> ]Probably the most interesting roster decision in the offseason for me ...
Three into two just won't do
There's literally 5/6 ways it could play out and I won't pretend i have a clue which way they'll go ... If they think Little is the real deal personally i'd be tempted to take what they can get for Cam (where's Dave Caldwell to burgle a 1st and 4th for a busted flush when you need him) and don't look back,... although where that would leave us on the cap, and whether it would even be feasible again i don't know, I'm happy to defer to the more knowledgeable portion of the board on those things.
One ingredient to add to the pot which I haven't seen mentioned though is that as Gajag points out Cam has said on more than one occasion that it's left tackle or bust ... If the staff decide they want to roll with Walker on the left, Robinson might decide he quite fancies a trade himself which would add another rabbit hole for Alice in Baalkeland to disappear down
Interested to see how it plays out, ... To paraphrase an English comic Trent might have to play this as crafty as a fox with a degree in cunning from Yale.
I have trouble seeing a scenario (barring injury) where our tackles next year aren't Cam and Little with Taylor being let go. Cam costs us more to cut than to keep. Considering we're over the salary cap and have some players to sign, I don't see Baalke making our cap worse by getting rid of a starter. The cap implications of trading are the same as if he was cut. I also see us getting very little trade value in return given Cam's salary.
If we cut him after June 1st, we save around a million. That's in the neighborhood of the veteran minimum. How are we going to find a suitable replacement for that money? Some may say the draft, but I think the team will prefer to use the draft to upgrade another position instead of finding a replacement for a player they could have kept. If they are going to cut a starter and draft a replacement, they will do it with a player that provides significant cap savings.
Cam's contract has an "out" after the 2023 season. I think they'll wait until at least then if they want to move on from him.
In hindsight they should of let Cam go this past off season and let Little start at LT. They could have then re-signed Taylor this off season and you can just focus on LG and finding a swing tackle in the draft. Instead Taylor will likely walk and we'll be stuck with the problem of which one of our LTs are going to move over to the right side. Little looks far more natural on the left side and Cam probably wont want to switch over to RT. I'd rather see Little stay at LT from here on out.
I don't see anybody trading for Cam and his contract, especially coming off a knee injury that ended his season. They certainly can't just cut him either.
(01-17-2023, 10:41 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2023, 10:26 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I have trouble seeing a scenario (barring injury) where our tackles next year aren't Cam and Little with Taylor being let go. Cam costs us more to cut than to keep. Considering we're over the salary cap and have some players to sign, I don't see Baalke making our cap worse by getting rid of a starter. The cap implications of trading are the same as if he was cut. I also see us getting very little trade value in return given Cam's salary.
If we cut him after June 1st, we save around a million. That's in the neighborhood of the veteran minimum. How are we going to find a suitable replacement for that money? Some may say the draft, but I think the team will prefer to use the draft to upgrade another position instead of finding a replacement for a player they could have kept. If they are going to cut a starter and draft a replacement, they will do it with a player that provides significant cap savings.
Cam's contract has an "out" after the 2023 season. I think they'll wait until at least then if they want to move on from him.
In hindsight they should of let Cam go this past off season and let Little start at LT. They could have then re-signed Taylor this off season and you can just focus on LG and finding a swing tackle in the draft. Instead Taylor will likely walk and we'll be stuck with the problem of which one of our LTs are going to move over to the right side. Little looks far more natural on the left side and Cam probably wont want to switch over to RT. I'd rather see Little stay at LT from here on out.
I don't see anybody trading for Cam and his contract, especially coming off a knee injury that ended his season. They certainly can't just cut him either.
I could see someone wanting Cam but I do agree that Little looks very natural at LT. Not everyone is Penei Sewell who can move seamlessly from LT to RT.
Didn't Little look bad at RT? I don't think he is the answer at RT but he looks like he is the guy at LT. I guess we could trade Cam but it doesn't look like we'll gain much from it. I guess we could trade Little too but I think that would be a bad idea.
(01-18-2023, 01:29 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't Little look bad at RT? I don't think he is the answer at RT but he looks like he is the guy at LT. I guess we could trade Cam but it doesn't look like we'll gain much from it. I guess we could trade Little too but I think that would be a bad idea.
Honestly we haven't really seen him much at RT, besides in the preseason and 15 snaps during the Cowboys game.
His 3 starts last season came at LT.
(01-17-2023, 11:26 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2023, 10:50 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Stop with this "Coach Meyer" garbage. Urban has been chased out of every job by scandal and last I checked he's not coaching anyone. He's a piece of [BLEEP] who's great at intimidating kids. That's it.
There will always be a small clutch of gatur or buckeye fans out there that cling to some fantasy that he's not a walking pile of excrement.
But, you know...
in my case, I’m a gator fan. Lol national champion ships. He gets credit for what was accomplished. It didn’t work in the nfl. Yes, that’s true.
he is
Little is the LT of the future. Any debate needs to be what to do with Cam if we elect to keep Taylor.
Watch Walker Little vs Kahlil Mack on the play the Jaguars scored their 26th point. It was the play Joey Bosa got a penalty.
Do we consider tagging Taylor?
Even if we can’t get a trade out of the Taylor tag, I wouldn’t mind keeping him next year and dealing Cam next offseason.
Or if Little falls apart next year, we would still have a good situation.
(01-21-2023, 02:39 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Do we consider tagging Taylor?
Even if we can’t get a trade out of the Taylor tag, I wouldn’t mind keeping him next year and dealing Cam next offseason.
Or if Little falls apart next year, we would still have a good situation.
I'd rather use the tag on Engram if we can't get a deal worked out. I think Taylor is all but gone. We don't have the money.
(01-21-2023, 02:46 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2023, 02:39 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Do we consider tagging Taylor?
Even if we can’t get a trade out of the Taylor tag, I wouldn’t mind keeping him next year and dealing Cam next offseason.
Or if Little falls apart next year, we would still have a good situation.
I'd rather use the tag on Engram if we can't get a deal worked out. I think Taylor is all but gone. We don't have the money.
I agree Engram over Taylor. I don’t think we can keep Taylor either, but I’m hopeful we figure out a way to get some value back.
Engram wants to be here (I think). Maybe he is willing to be flexible with the first year of his deal.
I think we should trade Cam and give his contract to Taylor
(01-21-2023, 02:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think we should trade Cam and give his contract to Taylor
If they can work out a scenario that makes Little and Taylor the bookends moving forward, that will be some impressive roster management.
I'm all for it.
It was cool to see Cam step up a bit as a leader to a degree this year and all, but the play on the field just doesn't justify his salary.
(01-21-2023, 03:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2023, 02:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think we should trade Cam and give his contract to Taylor
If they can work out a scenario that makes Little and Taylor the bookends moving forward, that will be some impressive roster management.
I'm all for it.
It was cool to see Cam step up a bit as a leader to a degree this year and all, but the play on the field just doesn't justify his salary.
Agreed, if for whatever reason we cant trade Cam or keep Taylor, if Cam is a true leader and will do whats best for this team and really wants to stay here he should move to RT. He shouldn't complain about it if our coaching staff thinks that will benefit the oline the most. He would still be getting paid the same. He needs to learn from Tyron Smith and Jason Peters who are both potential HOF's and have played LT, RT, and G this year to do whats best for the team.
Jawaan Taylor is this weeks 6th captain btw, fwiw