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(04-21-2023, 03:50 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2023, 03:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The conspiracy fails if one mail carrier delivers or attempts to deliver packages that are not supposed to be delivered. If he's not "in on it" he will quickly ask "too many questions" and probably go to the press.
So, no, it doesn't. Ok then.
How could the conspiracy ensure that only mail carriers who are "in on it" ever see the evidence of the conspiracy? Don't you see that's a pretty wild level of coordination of who does which shift on which day?
Let me try a different approach. You're a smart guy, right? Let's say I give a campaign 1 BILLION more dollars than another campaign, raised by superpacs that are funded by some of the most powerful and influential elites in the world. Considering there are many, many people who don't care about ethics, and KNOWING that many of these people feel completely justified in taking power (because the alternative is too egregious to even consider), you don't think that money can be used in a way to manipulate the end result?
Consider also that ballot harvesting is on the table, mail in voting is on the table, signature verification is off the table, voter id can be off the table, mass mailing of ballots can be on the table, you can make changes without going through certain state congresses. If I put you in charge of that, you couldn't think of any way to work around the system? You're that daft?
(04-21-2023, 10:05 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Let me try a different approach. You're a smart guy, right? Let's say I give a campaign 1 BILLION more dollars than another campaign, raised by superpacs that are funded by some of the most powerful and influential elites in the world. Considering there are many, many people who don't care about ethics, and KNOWING that many of these people feel completely justified in taking power (because the alternative is too egregious to even consider), you don't think that money can be used in a way to manipulate the end result?
Consider also that ballot harvesting is on the table, mail in voting is on the table, signature verification is off the table, voter id can be off the table, mass mailing of ballots can be on the table, you can make changes without going through certain state congresses. If I put you in charge of that, you couldn't think of any way to work around the system? You're that daft?
But the other side has almost as much money as me and anything I so much as discuss doing with any public official is likely to get leaked to the media. Because those public officials got locally elected to their jobs years before my candidate even decided to run.
Mizesez believes in the System. Since he believes in the System he cannot conceive that the System could be corrupted. Unless it's Trump, then the System doesn't have a chance.
Not gonna lie, the only thing I really miss from Fox News is Harris Faulkner..
Prettiest eyes on TV!!
Edit:
Had to provide a pic, not for your amusement, but for mine!
![[Image: Harris-Faulkner-ITB2.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/1zKM9LL4/Harris-Faulkner-ITB2.jpg)
(04-22-2023, 08:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Mizesez believes in the System. Since he believes in the System he cannot conceive that the System could be corrupted. Unless it's Trump, then the System doesn't have a chance.
The system is massive and diffuse numbers of self interested individuals trying to do their best and create the best future for themselves.
Ultimately the system did resist Trump and is resisting him. But it's just too close of a shave for my taste.
And I would have little problem with Trump using his power and influence to give us a better system, but, all he ever did was reward sycophants and isolate free thinkers. He only cares about his own glory.
This sums it up nicely…
![[Image: FuP6EwDXoAA4ZgM?format=jpg&name=medium]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuP6EwDXoAA4ZgM?format=jpg&name=medium)
You know... I didn't even read the op. I just figured it was out of context [BLEEP]. I've since done a deep dive on the issue, only to find that it's mostly out of context [BLEEP]. Tucker was specific about his concerns. He said Sidney Powell was a liar. She was. He didn't support her. The only thing he said AFTER he texted that is that we don't know anything about these machines. He can believe both things at once. He can think she's a liar and still want more information on the machines.
I felt the EXACT same way. I gave her a period of time to prove her claims, and I HOPED she had a "kraken," but it became clear very quickly that didn't. She was lying and probably off her rocker. I was probably one of the first conservatives here to move on from the machine narrative. I still didn't know if the machines had anything to do with the election or not. Considering the circumstances, it's only natural that they should be investigated for integrity. Literally EVERY person in America should want that. The only people that didn't are gullible ideologues who believe everything is on the up and up at all times (unless told otherwise by the MSM who is completely on the up and up, lol). Real democracy requires a healthy bit of skepticism, and there aren't enough of you that have it. Using this "email" thing like it's proof of something is just another example of where you guys fail to implement healthy skepticism.
If any of you ever listened to what Tucker actually says during independent interviews, it's not shocking to me at all that he hates Trump. That's not his job to like the guy. It's his job to spin the news in such a way that resonates with his viewers. He's a pundit, not a journalist. This is exactly what's wrong with our ENTIRE media complex. It makes me laugh that you guys think Fox is special based on any of these emails. They express a corporation's interest in ratings. Big deal.
Looking at the Hannity, Ingram, and Murdoch texts, are mostly mad at Fox for calling the election early. They felt the executives were in too big a hurry to call it for ratings, and it hurt their brand. It did... especially as the election results got narrower in favor of Trump. They did call it too soon. Even though they were right, there was no way they should have called it that early. None of those text used by dominion prove anything except that the pundits knew they were going to piss off their audience with that call. I don't see the "lies" you guys are referring to in any of these emails.
These emails weren't entered into evidence as an example of lies... they were entered in as an example of malice, which is necessary to win a defamation lawsuit. From what I can read, it looks like the main program that actually lied was Lou Dobbs, which the internal memos also declare. By combining the company's interest in ratings and showing the apparent discrepancy between on air and private behaviors, the lawyers of this case got a settlement largely based off Fox's news failing to shut down Lou Dobbs. He was fired btw.
Once again, we enter the world of double standards that are wielded to recklessly by our supposed informed moderates. We can hate Fox. They are ESPECIALLY bad, lol. This isn't a problem endemic in the system or anything... it's is just a Fox problem. We have PROOF. I am getting so worn out by politics because I am just constantly depressed at how easy good people can be manipulated. I have no problem with wanting an honest and transparent media. None. I would do anything to make that happen. We can't do that, because you guys just don't hold anyone to the fire (unless they are right wingers). You're just moldable tools that take soundbites and run with them to the good of one side, and the detriment of another. The ratchet only works one way. Always. Frequency bias in full affect.
(04-23-2023, 09:53 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You know... I didn't even read the op. I just figured it was out of context [BLEEP]. I've since done a deep dive on the issue, only to find that it's mostly out of context [BLEEP]. Tucker was specific about his concerns. He said Sidney Powell was a liar. She was. He didn't support her. The only thing he said AFTER he texted that is that we don't know anything about these machines. He can believe both things at once. He can think she's a liar and still want more information on the machines.
I felt the EXACT same way. I gave her a period of time to prove her claims, and I HOPED she had a "kraken," but it became clear very quickly that didn't. She was lying and probably off her rocker. I was probably one of the first conservatives here to move on from the machine narrative. I still didn't know if the machines had anything to do with the election or not. Considering the circumstances, it's only natural that they should be investigated for integrity. Literally EVERY person in America should want that. The only people that didn't are gullible ideologues who believe everything is on the up and up at all times (unless told otherwise by the MSM who is completely on the up and up, lol). Real democracy requires a healthy bit of skepticism, and there aren't enough of you that have it. Using this "email" thing like it's proof of something is just another example of where you guys fail to implement healthy skepticism.
If any of you ever listened to what Tucker actually says during independent interviews, it's not shocking to me at all that he hates Trump. That's not his job to like the guy. It's his job to spin the news in such a way that resonates with his viewers. He's a pundit, not a journalist. This is exactly what's wrong with our ENTIRE media complex. It makes me laugh that you guys think Fox is special based on any of these emails. They express a corporation's interest in ratings. Big deal.
Looking at the Hannity, Ingram, and Murdoch texts, are mostly mad at Fox for calling the election early. They felt the executives were in too big a hurry to call it for ratings, and it hurt their brand. It did... especially as the election results got narrower in favor of Trump. They did call it too soon. Even though they were right, there was no way they should have called it that early. None of those text used by dominion prove anything except that the pundits knew they were going to piss off their audience with that call. I don't see the "lies" you guys are referring to in any of these emails.
These emails weren't entered into evidence as an example of lies... they were entered in as an example of malice, which is necessary to win a defamation lawsuit. From what I can read, it looks like the main program that actually lied was Lou Dobbs, which the internal memos also declare. By combining the company's interest in ratings and showing the apparent discrepancy between on air and private behaviors, the lawyers of this case got a settlement largely based off Fox's news failing to shut down Lou Dobbs. He was fired btw.
Once again, we enter the world of double standards that are wielded to recklessly by our supposed informed moderates. We can hate Fox. They are ESPECIALLY bad, lol. This isn't a problem endemic in the system or anything... it's is just a Fox problem. We have PROOF. I am getting so worn out by politics because I am just constantly depressed at how easy good people can be manipulated. I have no problem with wanting an honest and transparent media. None. I would do anything to make that happen. We can't do that, because you guys just don't hold anyone to the fire (unless they are right wingers). You're just moldable tools that take soundbites and run with them to the good of one side, and the detriment of another. The ratchet only works one way. Always. Frequency bias in full affect.
It’s the same old song and dance. Conservatives constantly point out flaws in their party and their representatives. Heck even the all in Trumpsters call out his shortcomings. My personal observation is the liberals circle the wagon at every opportunity to hold their leadership accountable and instead defend. Even the so called moderates view every issue with a liberal slant. I honestly do not know nor understand how we became this divided. Every one of us want the same thing. A healthy future for our children. A sustainable planet. Prosperity for all. Clean air and water. Upward mobility, ect. Yet we fight each other because the people in charge with the help of state sanctioned media want us at odds and we fall right in line. We should all have a healthy dose of skepticism and do as the 70’s liberals and George Carlin asked us to do and question everything and everyone especially “the man”. Sadly too many of us on both sides of the spectrum eat up what we are told to.
(04-24-2023, 11:54 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Tucker Carlson out at Fox News.
I was betting this would be the outcome of the lawsuit. It should be.
I don't think he'll be fake laughing about that.. I hated that!!
I was surprised about Tucker because he is number 1 in the ratings. On the other hand, it was almost a billion that fox got hit for and more money to come, I wonder if this means anything for hannity and Ingram.
CNN has been trying to get back into the credible news game for the last year. Getting Lemon out of there was the next step. Fox now needs to get rid of Hannity and Ingram
Perhaps Fox and CNN are finally understanding that people are sick and tired of being blasted with biased broadcasting. Or maybe not.
I actually find all of theses people entertaining. I just think Tucker went off into really fake news land. If he goes to another network, I wonder how well he would do and if he would bring any of his audience. Fox News is a huge platform.
Don Lemon is an idiot and Tucker Carlson is a liar. Good riddance to both of them.
Fox is left with Paul Ryan lololol
I recall Alyson Camerota being a strong conservative at Fox and then when she was released and picked up by CNN she became a strong liberal. I really hate that [BLEEP] !!
(04-24-2023, 12:47 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2023, 01:12 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Not gonna lie, the only thing I really miss from Fox News is Harris Faulkner..
Prettiest eyes on TV!!
... and the worst set of bottom teeth in the US.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-.../95340651/
Hey! No body shaming allowed in 2023.
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