(05-28-2023, 05:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 03:16 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]Sick.
1.) U said "Traitor got shot for being a traitor" that's evil. U don't just shoot someone over political differences. That's sick.
2.) Stop them with what? Was she armed? Was she threatening someone? She was climbing through a broken window she didn't break. And there's dispute about a WARNING.
3.) The cowering lawmakers? Grow up. The cowering lawmakers who refused extra police presence and wanted the photo op.
Two things can be true @ the same time. J6 was absolutely stupid. One of the worst political decisions in the history of the presidency. Whatever legitimate questions there were about chain of custody or drop boxes died with those pictures, and we may never see another republican president in my lifetime. I don't defend the former president, or anyone that committed violence against persons or property.
Ashli babbitt being shotbwas a complete overreaction @ best cold blooded murder @ the worst. It was painfully obvious these people weren't armed. The idea of discharging lethal force against an unharmed woman is laughable on its face.
Horse [BLEEP]
It wasn't "an unarmed woman"
It was a mob of insurrectionists (some with more innocuous intent than others albeit, doesn't matter in this instance) and she just happened to be the first one through the window in front of the last line of defense of lawmakers. They acted as they should have in that scenario. To protect our elected officials.
And I'm sorry, there is absolutely nothing wrong with calling a duck a duck.
She was there illegally and seeking to interfere with legal process to verify an election.
However confused, disturbed, or misled she may have been.
You're just so twisted up in the alternative facts and conspiracy surrounding this you can't see the plain and simple truth of it.
No one was shot over political differences, LOL. No clue what the hell you are talking about there, pal. That's insanely NOT the scenario here.
I do not say this lightly, this is why "social justice" which is just collective justice is the most powerful manifestation of evil in our world today full stop.
Because you dislike a group of people you convince yourself that those associated with said group loose their basic rights as human beings. You're not even arguing that babbitt posed a threat of death or bodily injury. That would be comical. Your entire argument is based on "those people bad, they don't deserve to live" that kind if callous heinous, vile, hate filled propaganda poses a dar greater threat to constitutional order than a riot @ the capital. You and Marty should be ashamed of yourselves.
(05-28-2023, 05:36 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 05:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Horse [BLEEP]
It wasn't "an unarmed woman"
It was a mob of insurrectionists (some with more innocuous intent than others albeit, doesn't matter in this instance) and she just happened to be the first one through the window in front of the last line of defense of lawmakers. They acted as they should have in that scenario. To protect our elected officials.
And I'm sorry, there is absolutely nothing wrong with calling a duck a duck.
She was there illegally and seeking to interfere with legal process to verify an election.
However confused, disturbed, or misled she may have been.
You're just so twisted up in the alternative facts and conspiracy surrounding this you can't see the plain and simple truth of it.
No one was shot over political differences, LOL. No clue what the hell you are talking about there, pal. That's insanely NOT the scenario here.
I do not say this lightly, this is why "social justice" which is just collective justice is the most powerful manifestation of evil in our world today full stop.
Because you dislike a group of people you convince yourself that those associated with said group loose their basic rights as human beings. You're not even arguing that babbitt posed a threat of death or bodily injury. That would be comical. Your entire argument is based on "those people bad, they don't deserve to live" that kind if callous heinous, vile, hate filled propaganda poses a dar greater threat to constitutional order than a riot @ the capital. You and Marty should be ashamed of yourselves.
I literally never said any of this garbage you are feebly attempting to attribute to me!
Read my words. Read them.
And stop putting words in my mouth.
She broke the law and the mob that she was part of posed a threat that made lethal force unfortunate but necessary.
It is so [BLEEP] simple.
You're just emotional about something that you've contorted in your mind into something it isn't.
The same people that justify the Babbit shooting cry racism at every "justified" black death that gets broadcast around the MSM. Oh... this is different... this is treason, lol. Sure.
(05-28-2023, 06:09 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The same people that justify the Babbit shooting cry racism at every "justified" black death that gets broadcast around the MSM. Oh... this is different... this is treason, lol. Sure.
No.
None of that is true.
You're trying to generalize the crap out of a very specific situation.
I'm sure plenty of folks that share many of my political views have been killed when they foolishly took their activism into illegal and treacherous territory. I find that unfortunate, but they made the beds they lie in.
Just like Babbitt did.
(05-28-2023, 05:27 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 12:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No
It isn't
She attempted to enter the floor of the capitol where lawmakers were gathered with the intent of disrupting the validation of a fair and just election.
She was warned to stop multiple times and when she breached the penultimate doorway prior to access to cowering lawmakers, she was justifiably shot and killed.
It is a shame that she felt the need to pursue such unreasonable action based on the lies of politicians, but that was a decision she made.
Consequence found her.
I agree. In fact, I wish they'd shot a lot more of them.
Imagine if she were a different race the uproar.
Race only matters when it advances a progressive talking point. It's insignificant when it comes to conservatism.
(05-28-2023, 06:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 06:09 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The same people that justify the Babbit shooting cry racism at every "justified" black death that gets broadcast around the MSM. Oh... this is different... this is treason, lol. Sure.
No.
None of that is true.
You're trying to generalize the crap out of a very specific situation.
I'm sure plenty of folks that share many of my political views have been killed when they foolishly took their activism into illegal and treacherous territory. I find that unfortunate, but they made the beds they lie in.
Just like Babbitt did.
Of course it's true. As long as your activism has a useful narrative, it's a "tragedy." If it doesn't, it's a well-deserved death. You just don't question the narratives that are fed to you. Eyewitness testimony confirmed that Michael Brown was charging a police officer. Hands up, don't shoot is still a rallying cry on the left. It was based on a lie. Which side of that issue were you on? He had just robbed a store, then went to assault a police office. Was he just a piece of crap that deserved to die?
(05-28-2023, 05:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 05:36 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]I do not say this lightly, this is why "social justice" which is just collective justice is the most powerful manifestation of evil in our world today full stop.
Because you dislike a group of people you convince yourself that those associated with said group loose their basic rights as human beings. You're not even arguing that babbitt posed a threat of death or bodily injury. That would be comical. Your entire argument is based on "those people bad, they don't deserve to live" that kind if callous heinous, vile, hate filled propaganda poses a dar greater threat to constitutional order than a riot @ the capital. You and Marty should be ashamed of yourselves.
I literally never said any of this garbage you are feebly attempting to attribute to me!
Read my words. Read them.
And stop putting words in my mouth.
She broke the law and the mob that she was part of posed a threat that made lethal force unfortunate but necessary.
It is so [BLEEP] simple.
You're just emotional about something that you've contorted in your mind into something it isn't.
Traitor got shot for being a "traitor", your words not mine.
U didn't say she posed a threat, and that argument doesn't hold water. You said BC she's a traitor. Check the tapes.
(05-28-2023, 07:25 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 05:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I literally never said any of this garbage you are feebly attempting to attribute to me!
Read my words. Read them.
And stop putting words in my mouth.
She broke the law and the mob that she was part of posed a threat that made lethal force unfortunate but necessary.
It is so [BLEEP] simple.
You're just emotional about something that you've contorted in your mind into something it isn't.
Traitor got shot for being a "traitor", your words not mine.
U didn't say she posed a threat, and that argument doesn't hold water. You said BC she's a traitor. Check the tapes.
Seriously, what are you talking about?
I called her a traitor.
Big deal.
Do you need me to post 17 definitions of the word that support the label?
By the way. That post was designed to be sharply contrary in response to your post that was laden to the gills with alternative facts (lies) and conspiracy.
When presented with such extreme nonsense - I tend to respond thusly.
It is by definition true 100% that she did something traitorous to her oath of enlistment. Is it not??
(05-28-2023, 07:18 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Race only matters when it advances a progressive talking point. It's insignificant when it comes to conservatism.
(05-28-2023, 06:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No.
None of that is true.
You're trying to generalize the crap out of a very specific situation.
I'm sure plenty of folks that share many of my political views have been killed when they foolishly took their activism into illegal and treacherous territory. I find that unfortunate, but they made the beds they lie in.
Just like Babbitt did.
Of course it's true. As long as your activism has a useful narrative, it's a "tragedy." If it doesn't, it's a well-deserved death. You just don't question the narratives that are fed to you. Eyewitness testimony confirmed that Michael Brown was charging a police officer. Hands up, don't shoot is still a rallying cry on the left. It was based on a lie. Which side of that issue were you on? He had just robbed a store, then went to assault a police office. Was he just a piece of crap that deserved to die?
Please keep trying to drag race into this since you are failing in every relevant facet of the argument.
On second thought, I'm going to just offer up a call of impasse on this sidetracked conversation and let you all know I respect your opinions even if I don't agree.
I apologize for the insults, implied or otherwise, and I'll try to let the thread return to topic
(05-28-2023, 08:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]On second thought, I'm going to just offer up a call of impasse on this sidetracked conversation and let you all know I respect your opinions even if I don't agree.
I apologize the the insults, implied or otherwise, and I'll try to let the thread return to topic.
It's political discussion NY sometimes people get personal with it, I don't ever let it bother me. Personally I enjoy back and forth with democrats try to understand other perspectives and it either re-enforces my position or I explore new positions.
But back on topic Daddy DeSantis! Bring on the Ron take down the Don!
Nah, it's good for us to remember there are people behind these words. I have a tendency to escalate, too. I appreciate passion. I often question what I'm missing. I really want to understand the other side, but there is a serious disconnect between how we view the world.
(05-28-2023, 06:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 06:09 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The same people that justify the Babbit shooting cry racism at every "justified" black death that gets broadcast around the MSM. Oh... this is different... this is treason, lol. Sure.
No.
None of that is true.
You're trying to generalize the crap out of a very specific situation.
I'm sure plenty of folks that share many of my political views have been killed when they foolishly took their activism into illegal and treacherous territory. I find that unfortunate, but they made the beds they lie in.
Just like Babbitt did.
The hell they did, they were welcomed and the whole [BLEEP] government shut down for them. Because the left is the favored class and when the right does the same things they have to be jailed or killed for it. Because the left is in power and will do anything or kill anyone to keep it.
All of ya'll are equals in my eyes too.. Never take anything too personally. I never have any ill will towards anyone. Everyone knows I like to stir the [BLEEP] pot.
Ya'll still punks though..
(05-28-2023, 07:18 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Race only matters when it advances a progressive talking point. It's insignificant when it comes to conservatism.
(05-28-2023, 06:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No.
None of that is true.
You're trying to generalize the crap out of a very specific situation.
I'm sure plenty of folks that share many of my political views have been killed when they foolishly took their activism into illegal and treacherous territory. I find that unfortunate, but they made the beds they lie in.
Just like Babbitt did.
Of course it's true. As long as your activism has a useful narrative, it's a "tragedy." If it doesn't, it's a well-deserved death. You just don't question the narratives that are fed to you. Eyewitness testimony confirmed that Michael Brown was charging a police officer. Hands up, don't shoot is still a rallying cry on the left. It was based on a lie. Which side of that issue were you on? He had just robbed a store, then went to assault a police office. Was he just a piece of crap that deserved to die?
There were a lot of problems in Ferguson. The leftists are indeed willing to lie to kick off protests, but it usually doesn't work. There are multiple officer involved shootings in north Florida every year that could become the next catalyst for protests if leftists wanted to lie about them.
Compare Michael Brown to Corey Jones. Brown, there was a lot of evidence exonerating the officer. Jones, there was not. Brown, there were large scale, vigorous and violent protests based on lies about Brown. Jones, there were only brief protests, only in the one area.
Why?
(1) folks in Ferguson were much more fed up with their police and judges than folks in Palm Beach County. Listen to the interviews that protestors gave. They were protesting speeding tickets. Child support. Landscaping violations. They were just waiting for the right time to air it out.
(2) folks in Palm Beach County mostly believed the officer would be arrested and jailed, and he was. Because the protestors and the county officials were all agreeing about the facts of the case.
(05-28-2023, 11:13 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Casey DeSantis is trending on Twitter. She’s being accused of faking breast cancer for political gain now. The main claim seems to be that Ron wouldn’t have opened Florida up during Covid if his wife was going through chemotherapy and Casey never lost her hair…so everything was a lie.
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I saw that get a little movement but right now it's mainly a bunch of bots on each side.
I doubt anyone fakes that but without sharing any info, saying she was starting chemo and then not losing any hair, you can't prove anything either way since there hasn't been more details given.
She does seem to have the traits that RINO wives have though.
(05-28-2023, 03:17 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]DeSantis is too far right. I don't want to go from old Joe who is as left as can be to the complete opposite. I hate to say it but Trump is looking better and better. We need some young blood in this race.
He is definitely not far right. He is neocon, RINO all the way. He is entirely a crafted image but he will be shifting back once he is given the nomination. He's got all the uniparty families backing him, so it won't matter who wins.
Unless Biden is replaced, they will probably let DeSantis win but the senate will be kept and the house will be given switched. Then nothing will be done and DeSantis will play the same act that Mccarthy is doing now while giving the uniparty whatever they want.
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(05-28-2023, 06:09 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The same people that justify the Babbit shooting cry racism at every "justified" black death that gets broadcast around the MSM. Oh... this is different... this is treason, lol. Sure.
Maybe some of them do, but I don't. I think in order to put down lawlessness, police need to have the threat of force, and it needs to be credible, and the only way to make it credible is to use it.
I'd say the same thing about the riots in Portland that I say about the riot at the Capitol on January 6. There's no excuse for either one.
(05-28-2023, 10:50 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 06:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No.
None of that is true.
You're trying to generalize the crap out of a very specific situation.
I'm sure plenty of folks that share many of my political views have been killed when they foolishly took their activism into illegal and treacherous territory. I find that unfortunate, but they made the beds they lie in.
Just like Babbitt did.
The hell they did, they were welcomed and the whole [BLEEP] government shut down for them. Because the left is the favored class and when the right does the same things they have to be jailed or killed for it. Because the left is in power and will do anything or kill anyone to keep it.
Damn right, there is a clear double standard and this illegitimate government has declared open war with everyone on the right. They have the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA. And they are coming for us. They have a short window, they don’t plan on wasting it…
(05-29-2023, 06:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 06:09 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The same people that justify the Babbit shooting cry racism at every "justified" black death that gets broadcast around the MSM. Oh... this is different... this is treason, lol. Sure.
Maybe some of them do, but I don't. I think in order to put down lawlessness, police need to have the threat of force, and it needs to be credible, and the only way to make it credible is to use it.
I'd say the same thing about the riots in Portland that I say about the riot at the Capitol on January 6. There's no excuse for either one.
I thought of you when I typed that. I agree that you've been pretty consistent. I also don't really care that she was shot. Officers have difficult choices to make in those moments.
(05-28-2023, 10:50 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2023, 06:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No.
None of that is true.
You're trying to generalize the crap out of a very specific situation.
I'm sure plenty of folks that share many of my political views have been killed when they foolishly took their activism into illegal and treacherous territory. I find that unfortunate, but they made the beds they lie in.
Just like Babbitt did.
The hell they did, they were welcomed and the whole [BLEEP] government shut down for them. Because the left is the favored class and when the right does the same things they have to be jailed or killed for it. Because the left is in power and will do anything or kill anyone to keep it.
The dozens of cops who were maced, trampled, and bludgeoned were "welcoming" them?
Or do you have some alternative facts on that stuff as well?
How do you just spin away from stark reality so casually?
A significant percentage of trump's little rabble had very bad intentions that day and it is very well documented.
The rest of these grown adults along for the ride should have damn well known better.
THEY MADE THEIR BEDS
Let em lie in them.
A significant portion? There were estimates that 120,000 people showed up to DC that day, and they only got a dozen cops? That's not really a significant number.
Aside from that, you guys still won't acknowledge that there were multiple, disingenuous agitators there that day. Ray Epps should be in jail. Period. There is no reason this guy is still unprosecuted unless he's protected. He's on video giving a command to two young men to remove the barriers. We know from multiple trials that the FBI was there undercover. We know there were some known ANTIFA affiliates present. We have, on video, some type of undercover personnel changing out of plain clothes and being welcomed into the building by other police, and they were claiming to be dressed as ANTIFA agents.
You ignore ALL of this. Why is it hard to admit that the government may have played a role in what happened that day?