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(07-07-2023, 08:58 PM)GaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Wait—the secondary was problematic? I thought our only weakness back there was the nickel position. Tyson Campbell is one of the best young corners in the game. Williams played well. Cisco had his moments, and I expect him to be better this year. As for Jenkins, we don’t go to the playoffs without him. So what am I missing here?
Jenkins was actually horrible in coverage (71% completion rate allowed) and we had ~4 games where impactful scoring drives by opponents were readily kept alive by simple wide open passes to slot receivers.
Fixing the slot coverage will make a big difference (if they find a way to do that) , but they didn't draft three late round safeties by accident. I'm sure they hope one can supplant Jenkins at some point down the road. He made a handful of incredible plays last season - but his overall body of work included being beaten like a drum when called on to cover.
To give some interesting perspective on this - Jenkins wouldn't have had to be a hero in that Dallas game last year if Tre Herndon didn't allow 110 yards worth of slot completions to CeeDee Lamb throughout the game.
Campbell, Williams and Cisco should be good, but it's hard to know what you'll get from Jenkins and whomever mans the nickel.
(Campbell played at an elite level last year, and Williams was borderline elite after he was moved outside - for the record)
(07-07-2023, 08:10 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]I am looking forward to watching the offensive line develop as a group and think that they will develop into a strength of this team.
I think we will get about the same as last season out of that unit. We can’t afford any injuries up front.
I know we've all moved on from Chaisson, myself included, but he could be another piece of the stars aligning for a superbowl run. Obviously Walker is the big piece we need to have a huge second year, but if Chaisson can get us anything as a rotational player, could be huge down the stretch. I'm not holding my breath, but these are the kind of things that need to happen if we are seriously going to make a run in the loaded AFC.
(07-08-2023, 01:46 PM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]I know we've all moved on from Chaisson, myself included, but he could be another piece of the stars aligning for a superbowl run. Obviously Walker is the big piece we need to have a huge second year, but if Chaisson can get us anything as a rotational player, could be huge down the stretch. I'm not holding my breath, but these are the kind of things that need to happen if we are seriously going to make a run in the loaded AFC.
Maybe. Stranger things have happened. Reminds me of Bobby McCray's name coming up yesterday on 1010XL. He was kind of a lull for a few years, now, granted, he was a 7th RD pick. However, during his 2nd to last year in a Jaguars uniform he managed to rack up 10.0 sacks in a lot of mop up plays in the backfield.
Perfectly fine with Chaisson doing the same thing. I would rather see sacks and our opponents taking negative yardage and longer down and distances to convert over hurried attempts or pressure percentages higher than actual impact plays. If that means guys like Allen and Walker end up commanding double teams and Mike Caldwell figures out a way to isolate a weak blocker with a twitch athlete like Chaisson and Abdullah to shoot free gaps at the QB? Knock yourself out!
(07-07-2023, 09:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-07-2023, 08:58 PM)GaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Wait—the secondary was problematic? I thought our only weakness back there was the nickel position. Tyson Campbell is one of the best young corners in the game. Williams played well. Cisco had his moments, and I expect him to be better this year. As for Jenkins, we don’t go to the playoffs without him. So what am I missing here?
Jenkins was actually horrible in coverage (71% completion rate allowed) and we had ~4 games where impactful scoring drives by opponents were readily kept alive by simple wide open passes to slot receivers.
Fixing the slot coverage will make a big difference (if they find a way to do that) , but they didn't draft three late round safeties by accident. I'm sure they hope one can supplant Jenkins at some point down the road. He made a handful of incredible plays last season - but his overall body of work included being beaten like a drum when called on to cover.
To give some interesting perspective on this - Jenkins wouldn't have had to be a hero in that Dallas game last year if Tre Herndon didn't allow 110 yards worth of slot completions to CeeDee Lamb throughout the game.
Campbell, Williams and Cisco should be good, but it's hard to know what you'll get from Jenkins and whomever mans the nickel.
(Campbell played at an elite level last year, and Williams was borderline elite after he was moved outside - for the record)
It's whoever. Whomever is never actually correct. It's a made up word used to trick students.
(07-10-2023, 07:41 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (07-07-2023, 09:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Jenkins was actually horrible in coverage (71% completion rate allowed) and we had ~4 games where impactful scoring drives by opponents were readily kept alive by simple wide open passes to slot receivers.
Fixing the slot coverage will make a big difference (if they find a way to do that) , but they didn't draft three late round safeties by accident. I'm sure they hope one can supplant Jenkins at some point down the road. He made a handful of incredible plays last season - but his overall body of work included being beaten like a drum when called on to cover.
To give some interesting perspective on this - Jenkins wouldn't have had to be a hero in that Dallas game last year if Tre Herndon didn't allow 110 yards worth of slot completions to CeeDee Lamb throughout the game.
Campbell, Williams and Cisco should be good, but it's hard to know what you'll get from Jenkins and whomever mans the nickel.
(Campbell played at an elite level last year, and Williams was borderline elite after he was moved outside - for the record)
It's whoever. Whomever is never actually correct. It's a made up word used to trick students.
Well thanks for the grammar policing, but I'm afraid you're wrong.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/2-effecti...confusion/
This is how we know definitively that dead zone is officially upon us. LOL
I'm looking most forward to seeing the offense with Ridley and Strange. If Ridley stays healthy and has totally overcome his "off the field" problems he should become the true number 1 receiver this team has lacked- although Kirk did have a great 2022 season. Strange will undoubtably take time to adjust to the speed of the NFL game, but I expect him to increasingly become an important part of the offense. It will be interesting to see how these two are utilized in the pre-season.
The entire defense will also be interesting to watch in the pre-season. I expect tremendous growth from both Walker and Lloyd. How they will be utilized will be the interesting thing to watch; Caldwell must utilize both in ways that their superior athleticism results in much better on-field production. While everyone talks about the potential of this offense (including me), I believe the defense is capable of making huge strides this season. For this to happen, other things need to happen besides the improvement of last year's 1st round picks. Cisco and Campbell need to continue to improve upon their much improved sophomore seasons; both are capable of becoming pro-bowlers. Fatukasi played hurt much of last season; he is capable of providing a good pass rush rush as he did for the Jets from 2019-2021.
As I have stated several times, the greatest concern on defense is the absence of a capable nickel Since my expectations are not high for Herndon or the late-round draft picks (at least for this season), my hope is that Baalke makes a move to upgrade this position- either via a trade or signing one of the few remaining capable nickels in free agency (Callahan is an option).
(07-10-2023, 10:15 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2023, 07:41 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]It's whoever. Whomever is never actually correct. It's a made up word used to trick students.
Well thanks for the grammar policing, but I'm afraid you're wrong.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/2-effecti...confusion/
This is how we know definitively that dead zone is officially upon us. LOL
my apologies for sidetracking disccussion, but I failed to successfully learn the difference between object pronouns and subject pronouns until I took a foreign language.
Once I did, though, it all made sense. So much grammar didn't make sense until then, but suddenly everything fell into place. Fascinating.
(07-10-2023, 12:30 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm looking most forward to seeing the offense with Ridley and Strange. If Ridley stays healthy and has totally overcome his "off the field" problems he should become the true number 1 receiver this team has lacked- although Kirk did have a great 2022 season. Strange will undoubtably take time to adjust to the speed of the NFL game, but I expect him to increasingly become an important part of the offense. It will be interesting to see how these two are utilized in the pre-season.
The entire defense will also be interesting to watch in the pre-season. I expect tremendous growth from both Walker and Lloyd. How they will be utilized will be the interesting thing to watch; Caldwell must utilize both in ways that their superior athleticism results in much better on-field production. While everyone talks about the potential of this offense (including me), I believe the defense is capable of making huge strides this season. For this to happen, other things need to happen besides the improvement of last year's 1st round picks. Cisco and Campbell need to continue to improve upon their much improved sophomore seasons; both are capable of becoming pro-bowlers. Fatukasi played hurt much of last season; he is capable of providing a good pass rush rush as he did for the Jets from 2019-2021.
As I have stated several times, the greatest concern on defense is the absence of a capable nickel Since my expectations are not high for Herndon or the late-round draft picks (at least for this season), my hope is that Baalke makes a move to upgrade this position- either via a trade or signing one of the few remaining capable nickels in free agency (Callahan is an option).
Good points.
I hope Strange becomes a weapon as you suggest - and my inclination is to believe he'll be utilized increasingly in the latter half of the season as he acclimates. A card up the sleeve if you will for Pederson and company. Which brings me to revisit a point I've made about the spoil of riches this offense now boasts.
I anticipate this offense focusing on different various playmakers from week to week in order to counter the strengths and weaknesses of individual opponents. Very excited about that development and the only thing that could limit it is the performance of the O-Line or injury IMO.
Fatukasi is another interesting topic. His prior strength was run defense, not pass rush. Some analysts believe his inability to grow there with his prior team was part of the equation in his departure. I hope that pocket disruption becomes a calling card for him. Would love to see that. Many believe he's capable. Fingers crossed.
With you 100% on the nickel concern.
(07-10-2023, 12:30 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm looking most forward to seeing the offense with Ridley and Strange. If Ridley stays healthy and has totally overcome his "off the field" problems he should become the true number 1 receiver this team has lacked- although Kirk did have a great 2022 season. Strange will undoubtably take time to adjust to the speed of the NFL game, but I expect him to increasingly become an important part of the offense. It will be interesting to see how these two are utilized in the pre-season.
The entire defense will also be interesting to watch in the pre-season. I expect tremendous growth from both Walker and Lloyd. How they will be utilized will be the interesting thing to watch; Caldwell must utilize both in ways that their superior athleticism results in much better on-field production. While everyone talks about the potential of this offense (including me), I believe the defense is capable of making huge strides this season. For this to happen, other things need to happen besides the improvement of last year's 1st round picks. Cisco and Campbell need to continue to improve upon their much improved sophomore seasons; both are capable of becoming pro-bowlers. Fatukasi played hurt much of last season; he is capable of providing a good pass rush rush as he did for the Jets from 2019-2021.
As I have stated several times, the greatest concern on defense is the absence of a capable nickel Since my expectations are not high for Herndon or the late-round draft picks (at least for this season), my hope is that Baalke makes a move to upgrade this position- either via a trade or signing one of the few remaining capable nickels in free agency (Callahan is an option).
I'm curious if everyone's interest with Strange is more about his capability/potential or just compensating for the expected departure of Engram?
You couldn't fill a thimble with my knowledge of Strange or his game; I know how EE played and was very pivotal in a number of games/drives being successful. I certainly want Strange to be the long-term equivalent if the team is not planning to keep Engram around. Does anyone else here get the feeling that unless Strange essentially becomes a carbon copy of EE, we're going to deem him a flop?
I really hope we see some flashes from our newest TE this preseason. Hopefully the backup QBs give him some decent passes to work with
(07-10-2023, 12:45 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2023, 12:30 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm looking most forward to seeing the offense with Ridley and Strange. If Ridley stays healthy and has totally overcome his "off the field" problems he should become the true number 1 receiver this team has lacked- although Kirk did have a great 2022 season. Strange will undoubtably take time to adjust to the speed of the NFL game, but I expect him to increasingly become an important part of the offense. It will be interesting to see how these two are utilized in the pre-season.
The entire defense will also be interesting to watch in the pre-season. I expect tremendous growth from both Walker and Lloyd. How they will be utilized will be the interesting thing to watch; Caldwell must utilize both in ways that their superior athleticism results in much better on-field production. While everyone talks about the potential of this offense (including me), I believe the defense is capable of making huge strides this season. For this to happen, other things need to happen besides the improvement of last year's 1st round picks. Cisco and Campbell need to continue to improve upon their much improved sophomore seasons; both are capable of becoming pro-bowlers. Fatukasi played hurt much of last season; he is capable of providing a good pass rush rush as he did for the Jets from 2019-2021.
As I have stated several times, the greatest concern on defense is the absence of a capable nickel Since my expectations are not high for Herndon or the late-round draft picks (at least for this season), my hope is that Baalke makes a move to upgrade this position- either via a trade or signing one of the few remaining capable nickels in free agency (Callahan is an option).
I'm curious if everyone's interest with Strange is more about his capability/potential or just compensating for the expected departure of Engram?
You couldn't fill a thimble with my knowledge of Strange or his game; I know how EE played and was very pivotal in a number of games/drives being successful. I certainly want Strange to be the long-term equivalent if the team is not planning to keep Engram around. Does anyone else here get the feeling that unless Strange essentially becomes a carbon copy of EE, we're going to deem him a flop?
I really hope we see some flashes from our newest TE this preseason. Hopefully the backup QBs give him some decent passes to work with
I think they see Strange as a chess piece to be used in conjunction with Engram or
whomever might replace Engram as the primary "move-TE" should he not sign a long term deal.
Two tight end sets in 2022 did not offer the Jags offense with any additional influence on opposing coverage.
If Engram was in - defenses fully expected a route to be run.
If Manhertz (or basically any other TE) was in - defenses expected him to block.
Strange will ideally allow the offense to field a two-TE set that requires defenses to consider both players as receiving threats while simultaneously giving our personnel an additional capable run blocker should they call a play requiring one.
Having another big body that can do more than block 95% of the time and leak out for a screen the other 5% should provide another facet of strategy.
I’m ready to see Strange in this offense because the position has been ignored for years, excluding last season. I’ve heard guys say if they threw the ball more, he would’ve been drafted higher. He catches the ball clean with strong hands and runs good. Leans in-and-out of his breaks well, to get the defender to turn his hips. Something Marcedes Lewis didn’t do well.
Engram broke some team records last season and helped us win some ball games so we know what he can do. It’s going to be real nice when they break the huddle with 2 capable TEs which forces a LB or a Safety matchup. Down there in the redzone, a quick jerk route or double move and it’s touchdown city. Maybe come back later and work some motion with both TEs flooding one side or dragging backside. He’s going to add another dimension.
Ryan used me like an object.
countdown status.... One day closer than yesterday.
We should plan a board meet and greet at the scrimmage.
Parker washinton has me intigued. I know wr is kind of a strength now but i will be watching. TE is a tough position to contribute much as a rook but would love to see it from Strange.
Btw Parrker washingtons voice man o man lol.
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