(11-17-2023, 01:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 01:49 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. It's called motion and trips bunch formations.
Yeah - they are already doing that. OK to want more of it - but it has been sniffed out pretty well so far.
Doug keeps throwing the word "execute" out there. So, execute harder I guess if you're a football player on offense. I would like to see a little bit more of what they did against the Steelers in Pittsburgh.
There were some flickers of hope there with some of the things they were doing scheme wise. The 1st and 20 pass attempt with Engram running a fake out and cutting back inside was perfect.
Etienne sneaking down the sideline for that game breaking TD catch with Ridley drawing safety coverage down to him was masterful. There's some things they can be doing more in that regard.
Starts with motion. Not every motion play they run has to be some type of gimmick with Kirk airing it out or Ridley getting a hand off on a jet sweep. Just use motion to get guys hesitating a split second longer so somebody can make a play.
I saw it early last night with Burrow. The little hesitant pause works wonders on any defense. No matter how bad your line is. This offense is way too talented to be stuck in the mud so much.
(11-17-2023, 03:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 01:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah - they are already doing that. OK to want more of it - but it has been sniffed out pretty well so far.
Doug keeps throwing the word "execute" out there. So, execute harder I guess if you're a football player on offense. I would like to see a little bit more of what they did against the Steelers in Pittsburgh.
There were some flickers of hope there with some of the things they were doing scheme wise. The 1st and 20 pass attempt with Engram running a fake out and cutting back inside was perfect.
Etienne sneaking down the sideline for that game breaking TD catch with Ridley drawing safety coverage down to him was masterful. There's some things they can be doing more in that regard.
Starts with motion. Not every motion play they run has to be some type of gimmick with Kirk airing it out or Ridley getting a hand off on a jet sweep. Just use motion to get guys hesitating a split second longer so somebody can make a play.
I saw it early last night with Burrow. The little hesitant pause works wonders on any defense. No matter how bad your line is. This offense is way too talented to be stuck in the mud so much.
Word.
As of now they are smack dab in the middle of the pack in terms of pre snap motion among the 32 teams.
Doing it a very normal/average amount.
So - there's room to call more of that stuff if it is available situationally.
They seem very married to calling plays from the sub-groups they have organized according to game situation, down and distance, and scoreboard.
So depending on the situation - there may not be many motion plays to choose from in that sub-group.
I think some of these calls that we want to see more are indeed being called - but also ruined when Trevor has to bail out of the "pocket" and either scramble or pray someone comes uncovered in the direction he's moving to evade pressure.
(11-17-2023, 03:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]At the cost of our season
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2023/11...ZmoYZmzGl8
We're 6-3.
Which of the three losses is Press Taylor's fault?
He's no Doug Pederson - but let's get real. Which loss would we have won with Doug calling plays?
(11-17-2023, 04:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 03:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Doug keeps throwing the word "execute" out there. So, execute harder I guess if you're a football player on offense. I would like to see a little bit more of what they did against the Steelers in Pittsburgh.
There were some flickers of hope there with some of the things they were doing scheme wise. The 1st and 20 pass attempt with Engram running a fake out and cutting back inside was perfect.
Etienne sneaking down the sideline for that game breaking TD catch with Ridley drawing safety coverage down to him was masterful. There's some things they can be doing more in that regard.
Starts with motion. Not every motion play they run has to be some type of gimmick with Kirk airing it out or Ridley getting a hand off on a jet sweep. Just use motion to get guys hesitating a split second longer so somebody can make a play.
I saw it early last night with Burrow. The little hesitant pause works wonders on any defense. No matter how bad your line is. This offense is way too talented to be stuck in the mud so much.
Word.
As of now they are smack dab in the middle of the pack in terms of pre snap motion among the 32 teams.
Doing it a very normal/average amount.
So - there's room to call more of that stuff if it is available situationally.
They seem very married to calling plays from the sub-groups they have organized according to game situation, down and distance, and scoreboard.
So depending on the situation - there may not be many motion plays to choose from in that sub-group.
I think some of these calls that we want to see more are indeed being called - but also ruined when Trevor has to bail out of the "pocket" and either scramble or pray someone comes uncovered in the direction he's moving to evade pressure.
(11-17-2023, 03:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]At the cost of our season
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2023/11...ZmoYZmzGl8
We're 6-3.
Which of the three losses is Press Taylor's fault?
He's no Doug Pederson - but let's get real. Which loss would we have won with Doug calling plays?
Maybe we can win in a shoot out or at least not get blow out because of an in over his head play caller.. IMO just saying
(11-17-2023, 04:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 03:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Doug keeps throwing the word "execute" out there. So, execute harder I guess if you're a football player on offense. I would like to see a little bit more of what they did against the Steelers in Pittsburgh.
There were some flickers of hope there with some of the things they were doing scheme wise. The 1st and 20 pass attempt with Engram running a fake out and cutting back inside was perfect.
Etienne sneaking down the sideline for that game breaking TD catch with Ridley drawing safety coverage down to him was masterful. There's some things they can be doing more in that regard.
Starts with motion. Not every motion play they run has to be some type of gimmick with Kirk airing it out or Ridley getting a hand off on a jet sweep. Just use motion to get guys hesitating a split second longer so somebody can make a play.
I saw it early last night with Burrow. The little hesitant pause works wonders on any defense. No matter how bad your line is. This offense is way too talented to be stuck in the mud so much.
Word.
As of now they are smack dab in the middle of the pack in terms of pre snap motion among the 32 teams.
Doing it a very normal/average amount.
So - there's room to call more of that stuff if it is available situationally.
They seem very married to calling plays from the sub-groups they have organized according to game situation, down and distance, and scoreboard.
So depending on the situation - there may not be many motion plays to choose from in that sub-group.
I think some of these calls that we want to see more are indeed being called - but also ruined when Trevor has to bail out of the "pocket" and either scramble or pray someone comes uncovered in the direction he's moving to evade pressure.
(11-17-2023, 03:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]At the cost of our season
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2023/11...ZmoYZmzGl8
We're 6-3.
Which of the three losses is Press Taylor's fault?
He's no Doug Pederson - but let's get real. Which loss would we have won with Doug calling plays?
We are 6-3 because of the defense. It's about going forward and the rest of our season. Is he equal too or a better play caller than Doug? If the answer is no then we need Doug to take back over the play calling. We need the best play caller we have making the calls. Press isn't THE problem he's just one of the problems. We need to fix as many problems as we can. It's time to make a change.
Just one game at a time. The jags need to win, and they need to improve their offense. They have to do both if they want to make a deep run.
unforttanttly Arden Key will come back to hunt us. he will have his best game of this season due to his hard feelings againest the jags.
(11-17-2023, 04:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 04:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Word.
As of now they are smack dab in the middle of the pack in terms of pre snap motion among the 32 teams.
Doing it a very normal/average amount.
So - there's room to call more of that stuff if it is available situationally.
They seem very married to calling plays from the sub-groups they have organized according to game situation, down and distance, and scoreboard.
So depending on the situation - there may not be many motion plays to choose from in that sub-group.
I think some of these calls that we want to see more are indeed being called - but also ruined when Trevor has to bail out of the "pocket" and either scramble or pray someone comes uncovered in the direction he's moving to evade pressure.
We're 6-3.
Which of the three losses is Press Taylor's fault?
He's no Doug Pederson - but let's get real. Which loss would we have won with Doug calling plays?
We are 6-3 because of the defense. It's about going forward and the rest of our season. Is he equal too or a better play caller than Doug? If the answer is no then we need Doug to take back over the play calling. We need the best play caller we have making the calls. Press isn't THE problem he's just one of the problems. We need to fix as many problems as we can. It's time to make a change.
The record says he's a
better play caller than Doug - but I don't actually believe that to be the case.
They are probably not very far apart in the skill. He's worked with Doug for years. He has to have a good idea about what Doug wants to happen.
Nonetheless we are on pace to win more games this season than last.
So - Again - which of our losses are Press Taylor's fault?
(11-17-2023, 05:38 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 04:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We are 6-3 because of the defense. It's about going forward and the rest of our season. Is he equal too or a better play caller than Doug? If the answer is no then we need Doug to take back over the play calling. We need the best play caller we have making the calls. Press isn't THE problem he's just one of the problems. We need to fix as many problems as we can. It's time to make a change.
The record says he's a better play caller than Doug - but I don't actually believe that to be the case.
They are probably not very far apart in the skill. He's worked with Doug for years. He has to have a good idea about what Doug wants to happen.
Nonetheless we are on pace to win more games this season than last.
So - Again - which of our losses are Press Taylor's fault?
The 6-3 record doesn't say he's a better play caller than Doug lol. I'm a little surprised i have to tell you that. I thought you would understand that much. Last year we had a top 10 offense, this year we are 20th. You like Press as the play caller, give me Doug as the play caller. It's time for a spark and I think switch it up to the play caller we had last year could give the offense a boost
(11-17-2023, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 05:38 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The record says he's a better play caller than Doug - but I don't actually believe that to be the case.
They are probably not very far apart in the skill. He's worked with Doug for years. He has to have a good idea about what Doug wants to happen.
Nonetheless we are on pace to win more games this season than last.
So - Again - which of our losses are Press Taylor's fault?
The 6-3 record doesn't say he's a better play caller than Doug lol. I'm a little surprised i have to tell you that. I thought you would understand that much. Last year we had a top 10 offense, this year we are 20th. You like Press as the play caller, give me Doug as the play caller. It's time for a spark and I think switch it up to the play caller we had last year could give the offense a boost
Derp-derp-Yada-yada
All you guys whining about Press don't have any real answers.
I don't "like" the guy. I don't really know what to make of him yet really. I liked Doug's play calling better as far as I can tell - but I also loved what Press called last year in the second halves of many games. I loved what he called against the saints in most of that game too. He may turn out fine.
Right now the OL is about 30 times more concerning than the play calling. People just love to blame the easiest scapegoat and right now that's Press Taylor.
Still too weak to answer the question huh?
(11-17-2023, 06:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The 6-3 record doesn't say he's a better play caller than Doug lol. I'm a little surprised i have to tell you that. I thought you would understand that much. Last year we had a top 10 offense, this year we are 20th. You like Press as the play caller, give me Doug as the play caller. It's time for a spark and I think switch it up to the play caller we had last year could give the offense a boost
Derp-derp-Yada-yada
All you guys whining about Press don't have any real answers.
I don't "like" the guy. I don't really know what to make of him yet really. I liked Doug's play calling better as far as I can tell - but I also loved what Press called last year in the second halves of many games. I loved what he called against the saints in most of that game too. He may turn out fine.
Right now the OL is about 30 times more concerning than the play calling. People just love to blame the easiest scapegoat and right now that's Press Taylor.
Still too weak to answer the question huh?
Can you show me where anyone has said Press is the only problem or even the biggest problem outside of maybe one person? Not sure if that one person even said that. Like you said, you don't know what to make of Press yet, good for you. I know what Doug can do and I'd like to see a change.
To answer the stupid question you keep asking lol , none of the 3 i don't think, maybe the KC game. It's about going forward, and I don't want a play caller that's just not gonna lose us a game, I want one that will win us games like the multiple ones last year and this year we havent had 1 game where you can say that.
I don't care if switching the play caller even helps just a little bit, it's a start. I don't even think Press is a horrible play caller but it's time for a change and time for a spark.
(11-17-2023, 06:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 06:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Derp-derp-Yada-yada
All you guys whining about Press don't have any real answers.
I don't "like" the guy. I don't really know what to make of him yet really. I liked Doug's play calling better as far as I can tell - but I also loved what Press called last year in the second halves of many games. I loved what he called against the saints in most of that game too. He may turn out fine.
Right now the OL is about 30 times more concerning than the play calling. People just love to blame the easiest scapegoat and right now that's Press Taylor.
Still too weak to answer the question huh?
Can you show me where anyone has said Press is the only problem or even the biggest problem outside of maybe one person? Not sure if that one person even said that. Like you said, you don't know what to make of Press yet, good for you. I know what Doug can do and I'd like to see a change.
To answer the stupid question you keep asking lol , none of the 3 i don't think, maybe the KC game. It's about going forward, and I don't want a play caller that's just not gonna lose us a game, I want one that will win us games like the multiple ones last year and this year we havent had 1 game where you can say that.
I don't care if switching the play caller even helps just a little bit, it's a start. I don't even think Press is a horrible play caller but it's time for a change and time for a spark.
Lol, play callers don't win games. Madden-centric myopia.
Damn, things have been getting chippy around here lately. A little taste of success has made us argumentative.
(11-17-2023, 07:36 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Damn, things have been getting chippy around here lately. A little taste of success has made us argumentative.
People are still feeling the 49rs beat down. We need a get right game. Oh look who’s next. It’s the rivals.
(11-17-2023, 07:36 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Damn, things have been getting chippy around here lately. A little taste of success has made us argumentative.
Yeah, my bad, I just get a little annoyed at seeing 70% of the fan base railing against the OC when they can't put their collective finger on what would really be any different - much less pin a loss on the guy.
Just trying to make a point about the futility of blaming the OC when there are much bigger problems staring us in the face.
As is often the case, the easiest scapegoat isn't always accurately to blame for everything being attributed.
(11-17-2023, 07:13 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 06:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Can you show me where anyone has said Press is the only problem or even the biggest problem outside of maybe one person? Not sure if that one person even said that. Like you said, you don't know what to make of Press yet, good for you. I know what Doug can do and I'd like to see a change.
To answer the stupid question you keep asking lol , none of the 3 i don't think, maybe the KC game. It's about going forward, and I don't want a play caller that's just not gonna lose us a game, I want one that will win us games like the multiple ones last year and this year we havent had 1 game where you can say that.
I don't care if switching the play caller even helps just a little bit, it's a start. I don't even think Press is a horrible play caller but it's time for a change and time for a spark.
Lol, play callers don't win games. Madden-centric myopia.
Good coaches could get their respectable teams 3 points on "brain-trust" alone. Are you new to watching football?
Not sure why people are arguing about play-calling. The NFL script writers tell them what plays to pick. Doesn't matter anyways. They have the Jags beating the Titans.
(11-17-2023, 09:11 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2023, 08:27 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ]Good coaches could get their respectable teams 3 points on "brain-trust" alone. Are you new to watching football?
Nonsense
nonsense for people that lack the knowledge of a football game.
(11-17-2023, 06:36 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Agnew and Campbell out this Sunday.
https://x.com/jwyattsports/status/172561...74383?s=20
do we have anyone that could cover Hopkins?
(11-17-2023, 08:45 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure why people are arguing about play-calling. The NFL script writers tell them what plays to pick. Doesn't matter anyways. They have the Jags beating the Titans.
Did that sound good in your head?