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Yeah - this staff likes Fatukasi as the nose vs the run and Hamilton there vs pass when healthy - and neither are that 310 pound freak show some teams feature there.

Right now they are still finding a way without Hamilton which is impressive - but it has also been telling at times. Not yesterday, but in plenty of other games.

What Hargrave did to us recently is a good example of how an interior guy can wreck things and there are a dozen more around the league doing something similar if not as consistent. Whether it is a 290 guy from 3-4 end or a wrecking ball nose at 305 plus - it would be awesome to erase the pocket more often for opposing QBs.
I like the clips/highlights of Sweat from texas. Does he seem to be able to do that cosistently? Havent seen many of the texas games this year.
(11-27-2023, 05:38 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]I like the clips/highlights of Sweat from texas. Does he seem to be able to do that cosistently? Havent seen many of the texas games this year.
https://x.com/OOSSports/status/1727412831413522503?s=20

Yes. He's very consistent. Especially this year. The only DT to grade out 85.0 or better against the run and pass this year.

He was also good last year. Texas has played better on offense this year so him and that defense in general are able to play in a lot more one dimensional situations.

He's a really ideal prospect for this defense but I think you have to take him in RD2 if he's there because I doubt he's there in RD3 or RD4.

Leonard Taylor III from Miami is also good. I like him. He's 305 pounds but he's not a sloppy looking 305. He's a guy that could be there on the opening night but he also offers versatility if we need it.

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McKinnley Jackson out of Texas A&M. He's another guy I would target in this draft. Probably a day three pick.
(11-27-2023, 09:39 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-26-2023, 09:26 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]So you're looking at mostly 3rd and beyond.  So you basically the idea that IDL is an issue isn't really a thing...

Dude, our D-Line is pretty dog on solid.  What in the world, based on this game we just played, makes anyone think that we're suspect on the D-Line, specifically the "IDL"?

Yeah, we have to always draft depth and develop those we draft.  But why focus on an interior D-Lineman when we already have many of them and we have so many other needs?  We have O-Line needs, right?  I thought that was the thing that people were freaking out about.  

And now, with a D-Line that is 4th best in Run Defense, we have people calling out our D-Line???  What world are we living in?

Probably a look at our cap space and realizing that if you are looking for affordable replacement of present performance, Foley may be the easiest to replicate on the cheap.

Hamilton got paid, but hasn't seen the field. The depth behind him is not matching his output. We can fix that!

I'm also more concerned about pass rush and contain than I am rushing stats. It's a pass the ball and rush the passer league. Being stout against the run is fine, but few teams are relying on the run to win in today's game.

We're in a pretty good position, roster-wise. At this stage, we are fine-tuning, not wholesale overhauling. We have to spend the picks somewhere. Everyone in the thread is already saying that OL is the primary focus, but IDL help would be good, too. What would you propose otherwise? Darft yet another RB? How about an inside backer? We could always pull a Gene Smiff and grab a starting punter. That worked out, right?

All I'm saying is that your concern about the IDL is the least of our concerns.  If we pick an IDL in the 1st or 2nd rounds in the draft we wasted our pick.

This thread would be great if we were the Same Ole' Jags of 2010.  But to make a thread about IDL draft choices while we're 8-3???  LOL.  Why you thinking that way???

You realize we had an IDL sack on Sunday, right?  I believe it was RRH?  But you want to hurpy durpy...  Leave this type of nonsense for the off season.
(11-28-2023, 07:45 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-27-2023, 09:39 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Probably a look at our cap space and realizing that if you are looking for affordable replacement of present performance, Foley may be the easiest to replicate on the cheap.

Hamilton got paid, but hasn't seen the field. The depth behind him is not matching his output. We can fix that!

I'm also more concerned about pass rush and contain than I am rushing stats. It's a pass the ball and rush the passer league. Being stout against the run is fine, but few teams are relying on the run to win in today's game.

We're in a pretty good position, roster-wise. At this stage, we are fine-tuning, not wholesale overhauling. We have to spend the picks somewhere. Everyone in the thread is already saying that OL is the primary focus, but IDL help would be good, too. What would you propose otherwise? Darft yet another RB? How about an inside backer? We could always pull a Gene Smiff and grab a starting punter. That worked out, right?

All I'm saying is that your concern about the IDL is the least of our concerns.  If we pick an IDL in the 1st or 2nd rounds in the draft we wasted our pick.

This thread would be great if we were the Same Ole' Jags of 2010.  But to make a thread about IDL draft choices while we're 8-3???  LOL.  Why you thinking that way???

You realize we had an IDL sack on Sunday, right?  I believe it was RRH?  But you want to hurpy durpy...  Leave this type of nonsense for the off season.

Board members may post anything Jags related in this forum they choose. 

You think IDL is the least of out concerns - several others have cited it as more than that. 

No harm in the discussion. It's what we do here.
(11-28-2023, 07:45 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-27-2023, 09:39 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Probably a look at our cap space and realizing that if you are looking for affordable replacement of present performance, Foley may be the easiest to replicate on the cheap.

Hamilton got paid, but hasn't seen the field. The depth behind him is not matching his output. We can fix that!

I'm also more concerned about pass rush and contain than I am rushing stats. It's a pass the ball and rush the passer league. Being stout against the run is fine, but few teams are relying on the run to win in today's game.

We're in a pretty good position, roster-wise. At this stage, we are fine-tuning, not wholesale overhauling. We have to spend the picks somewhere. Everyone in the thread is already saying that OL is the primary focus, but IDL help would be good, too. What would you propose otherwise? Darft yet another RB? How about an inside backer? We could always pull a Gene Smiff and grab a starting punter. That worked out, right?

All I'm saying is that your concern about the IDL is the least of our concerns.  If we pick an IDL in the 1st or 2nd rounds in the draft we wasted our pick.

This thread would be great if we were the Same Ole' Jags of 2010.  But to make a thread about IDL draft choices while we're 8-3???  LOL.  Why you thinking that way???

You realize we had an IDL sack on Sunday, right?  I believe it was RRH?  But you want to hurpy durpy...  Leave this type of nonsense for the off season.

Please indicate where I stated emphasis on taking IDL, especially in the first. I explicitly acknowledged that IDL want or need is secondary to OL.

So sorry for making you think of more than one thing at a time, we, or at least most of we, can absolutely assess where we have need (or forecasted need based on cap casualty) during the season. If you are unable, go ahead and skip this discussion and you can pop in over the offseason.

You ain't my supervisor, you don't get to tell me or anyone else here when it's appropriate to discuss the roster.

(11-28-2023, 07:53 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-28-2023, 07:45 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]All I'm saying is that your concern about the IDL is the least of our concerns.  If we pick an IDL in the 1st or 2nd rounds in the draft we wasted our pick.

This thread would be great if we were the Same Ole' Jags of 2010.  But to make a thread about IDL draft choices while we're 8-3???  LOL.  Why you thinking that way???

You realize we had an IDL sack on Sunday, right?  I believe it was RRH?  But you want to hurpy durpy...  Leave this type of nonsense for the off season.

Board members may post anything Jags related in this forum they choose. 

You think IDL is the least of out concerns - several others have cited is as more than that. 

No harm in the discussion. It's what we do here.

Quit hurpying and durpying. Not a good look for a mod. Ninja
(11-28-2023, 07:45 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-27-2023, 09:39 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Probably a look at our cap space and realizing that if you are looking for affordable replacement of present performance, Foley may be the easiest to replicate on the cheap.

Hamilton got paid, but hasn't seen the field. The depth behind him is not matching his output. We can fix that!

I'm also more concerned about pass rush and contain than I am rushing stats. It's a pass the ball and rush the passer league. Being stout against the run is fine, but few teams are relying on the run to win in today's game.

We're in a pretty good position, roster-wise. At this stage, we are fine-tuning, not wholesale overhauling. We have to spend the picks somewhere. Everyone in the thread is already saying that OL is the primary focus, but IDL help would be good, too. What would you propose otherwise? Darft yet another RB? How about an inside backer? We could always pull a Gene Smiff and grab a starting punter. That worked out, right?

All I'm saying is that your concern about the IDL is the least of our concerns.  If we pick an IDL in the 1st or 2nd rounds in the draft we wasted our pick.

This thread would be great if we were the Same Ole' Jags of 2010.  But to make a thread about IDL draft choices while we're 8-3???  LOL.  Why you thinking that way???

You realize we had an IDL sack on Sunday, right?  I believe it was RRH?  But you want to hurpy durpy...  Leave this type of nonsense for the off season.

It's completely rational to think like this. Even with an 8 - 3 team. Especially when you get down the stretch and the good teams begin to separate themselves from the average teams. Once you get into the play off's though? Trench Warfare gets real and it get's real FAST.

It sets the tone man. It always has. You want to know how a play-off game might go? Watch how the offensive line either gets rocked or bullies their opponent on their first drive. 

You want to know which offense is going to have a long day? Watch how fast a defensive line knifes through a gap down the middle or gets around the corner on their first drive without any additional help. 

This team has several needs NOW that will carry over into the off season and you'll be one of the first ones on here losing your [BLEEP], when, you see a QB like Mahomes, Tagovailoa, maybe Stroud again playing against our defense with allllll [BLEEP] day to step up inside a clean pocket to pick our secondary apart. 

The interior pass rush argument was on here last year. A lot of folks were split on who should have been the 1st RD pick. We were even linked to guys like Mazi Smith, who ended up in Dallas when he came out of Michigan and he was basically what we're hoping DaVon Hamilton can turn into, which that odd injury in preseason set him back significantly. 

We were all screaming for an edge rusher or an interior rusher last year. We were all looking for improvement on the offensive line, with or without Taylor's impending departure or staying in JAX. We still needed to fix the issues we've had there. Ultimately, it's about value and the board. 

After the bowl games, the senior bowl game, the combine and pro days? A lot will go up and down but we're looking at interior needs on both sides. Period. It's the two biggest and most obvious areas of weakness on this team right now.

We need more cushin' for the pushin' on both sides my guy. Tighten up!
(11-29-2023, 09:02 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-28-2023, 07:45 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]All I'm saying is that your concern about the IDL is the least of our concerns.  If we pick an IDL in the 1st or 2nd rounds in the draft we wasted our pick.

This thread would be great if we were the Same Ole' Jags of 2010.  But to make a thread about IDL draft choices while we're 8-3???  LOL.  Why you thinking that way???

You realize we had an IDL sack on Sunday, right?  I believe it was RRH?  But you want to hurpy durpy...  Leave this type of nonsense for the off season.

It's completely rational to think like this. Even with an 8 - 3 team. Especially when you get down the stretch and the good teams begin to separate themselves from the average teams. Once you get into the play off's though? Trench Warfare gets real and it get's real FAST.

It sets the tone man. It always has. You want to know how a play-off game might go? Watch how the offensive line either gets rocked or bullies their opponent on their first drive. 

You want to know which offense is going to have a long day? Watch how fast a defensive line knifes through a gap down the middle or gets around the corner on their first drive without any additional help. 

This team has several needs NOW that will carry over into the off season and you'll be one of the first ones on here losing your [BLEEP], when, you see a QB like Mahomes, Tagovailoa, maybe Stroud again playing against our defense with allllll [BLEEP] day to step up inside a clean pocket to pick our secondary apart. 

The interior pass rush argument was on here last year. A lot of folks were split on who should have been the 1st RD pick. We were even linked to guys like Mazi Smith, who ended up in Dallas when he came out of Michigan and he was basically what we're hoping DaVon Hamilton can turn into, which that odd injury in preseason set him back significantly. 

We were all screaming for an edge rusher or an interior rusher last year. We were all looking for improvement on the offensive line, with or without Taylor's impending departure or staying in JAX. We still needed to fix the issues we've had there. Ultimately, it's about value and the board. 

After the bowl games, the senior bowl game, the combine and pro days? A lot will go up and down but we're looking at interior needs on both sides. Period. It's the two biggest and most obvious areas of weakness on this team right now.

We need more cushin' for the pushin' on both sides my guy. Tighten up!

I'd add edge as well and just as important imo.  We really have nothing after Walker and Allen.  If either go down and we be in trouble on defense and we also need someone to spell them.
(11-29-2023, 01:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2023, 09:02 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's completely rational to think like this. Even with an 8 - 3 team. Especially when you get down the stretch and the good teams begin to separate themselves from the average teams. Once you get into the play off's though? Trench Warfare gets real and it get's real FAST.

It sets the tone man. It always has. You want to know how a play-off game might go? Watch how the offensive line either gets rocked or bullies their opponent on their first drive. 

You want to know which offense is going to have a long day? Watch how fast a defensive line knifes through a gap down the middle or gets around the corner on their first drive without any additional help. 

This team has several needs NOW that will carry over into the off season and you'll be one of the first ones on here losing your [BLEEP], when, you see a QB like Mahomes, Tagovailoa, maybe Stroud again playing against our defense with allllll [BLEEP] day to step up inside a clean pocket to pick our secondary apart. 

The interior pass rush argument was on here last year. A lot of folks were split on who should have been the 1st RD pick. We were even linked to guys like Mazi Smith, who ended up in Dallas when he came out of Michigan and he was basically what we're hoping DaVon Hamilton can turn into, which that odd injury in preseason set him back significantly. 

We were all screaming for an edge rusher or an interior rusher last year. We were all looking for improvement on the offensive line, with or without Taylor's impending departure or staying in JAX. We still needed to fix the issues we've had there. Ultimately, it's about value and the board. 

After the bowl games, the senior bowl game, the combine and pro days? A lot will go up and down but we're looking at interior needs on both sides. Period. It's the two biggest and most obvious areas of weakness on this team right now.

We need more cushin' for the pushin' on both sides my guy. Tighten up!

I'd add edge as well and just as important imo.  We really have nothing after Walker and Allen.  If either go down and we be in trouble on defense and we also need someone to spell them.

You can never have enough pass rushers they say, and I think they are correct. 

We did just spend capital on Abdullah - so we gotta hope that turns into value - but adding another guy (a bigger one preferably) to develop that way would make sense. 

The urgency of a quality IDL disruptor will largely hinge upon what happens when Hamilton is finally conditioned and strong enough to play near his former ability pre-illness. If he lines up after our wildcard week bye and starts compressing the pocket consistently - they can spend less and look for someone to rotate in more effectively than the current second tier DTs on the roster. But if a DT/NT with big upside falls in their lap - they have to consider it regardless. I don't think it is a position they have the luxury of addressing in free agency because of all the guys requiring new deals who are vital to our current roster.
(11-29-2023, 02:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2023, 01:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd add edge as well and just as important imo.  We really have nothing after Walker and Allen.  If either go down and we be in trouble on defense and we also need someone to spell them.

You can never have enough pass rushers they say, and I think they are correct. 

We did just spend capital on Abdullah - so we gotta hope that turns into value - but adding another guy (a bigger one preferably) to develop that way would make sense. 

The urgency of a quality IDL disruptor will largely hinge upon what happens when Hamilton is finally conditioned and strong enough to play near his former ability pre-illness. If he lines up after our wildcard week bye and starts compressing the pocket consistently - they can spend less and look for someone to rotate in more effectively than the current second tier DTs on the roster. But if a DT/NT with big upside falls in their lap - they have to consider it regardless. I don't think it is a position they have the luxury of addressing in free agency because of all the guys requiring new deals who are vital to our current roster.

ISWYDT
(11-29-2023, 02:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2023, 01:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd add edge as well and just as important imo.  We really have nothing after Walker and Allen.  If either go down and we be in trouble on defense and we also need someone to spell them.

You can never have enough pass rushers they say, and I think they are correct. 

We did just spend capital on Abdullah - so we gotta hope that turns into value - but adding another guy (a bigger one preferably) to develop that way would make sense. 


The urgency of a quality IDL disruptor will largely hinge upon what happens when Hamilton is finally conditioned and strong enough to play near his former ability pre-illness. If he lines up after our wildcard week bye and starts compressing the pocket consistently - they can spend less and look for someone to rotate in more effectively than the current second tier DTs on the roster. But if a DT/NT with big upside falls in their lap - they have to consider it regardless. I don't think it is a position they have the luxury of addressing in free agency because of all the guys requiring new deals who are vital to our current roster.
We drafted Lacey as well when talking about DT or interior pass rush being a need.  I believe they drafted him to develop into what we need there as a 3/4 DE or DT in the 4-3.  I'm saying if a edge pass rusher is there at the top of our board when we pick in the 1st I think they have to look at that and it would be a good pick to add another guy there.  Hopefully Abdulla does improve and can be a bigger part of the rotation. Regardless if Hamilton comes back or not shouldn't change our draft.  He isn't the pass rush DT we need imo.  He has 4.5 sacks in 3 years and is more of a space eating NT that can give you some pass rush at times.  We still need to add more of a pass rusher there imo

Hopefully Lacy can turn into what we have needed for years but you can't count on it
(11-30-2023, 10:55 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2023, 02:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You can never have enough pass rushers they say, and I think they are correct. 

We did just spend capital on Abdullah - so we gotta hope that turns into value - but adding another guy (a bigger one preferably) to develop that way would make sense. 


The urgency of a quality IDL disruptor will largely hinge upon what happens when Hamilton is finally conditioned and strong enough to play near his former ability pre-illness. If he lines up after our wildcard week bye and starts compressing the pocket consistently - they can spend less and look for someone to rotate in more effectively than the current second tier DTs on the roster. But if a DT/NT with big upside falls in their lap - they have to consider it regardless. I don't think it is a position they have the luxury of addressing in free agency because of all the guys requiring new deals who are vital to our current roster.
We drafted Lacey as well when talking about DT or interior pass rush being a need.  I believe they drafted him to develop into what we need there as a 3/4 DE or DT in the 4-3.  I'm saying if a edge pass rusher is there at the top of our board when we pick in the 1st I think they have to look at that and it would be a good pick to add another guy there.  Hopefully Abdulla does improve and can be a bigger part of the rotation. Regardless if Hamilton comes back or not shouldn't change our draft.  He isn't the pass rush DT we need imo.  He has 4.5 sacks in 3 years and is more of a space eating NT that can give you some pass rush at times.  We still need to add more of a pass rusher there imo

Hopefully Lacy can turn into what we have needed for years but you can't count on it

I'm reminded of the Bucs selection of Joe Tryon a few years back. They got a good player at the end of the 1st coming off a Super Bowl win and he's exactly the kind of player I'd like to see them get here next April.
(11-30-2023, 11:00 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-30-2023, 10:55 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We drafted Lacey as well when talking about DT or interior pass rush being a need.  I believe they drafted him to develop into what we need there as a 3/4 DE or DT in the 4-3.  I'm saying if a edge pass rusher is there at the top of our board when we pick in the 1st I think they have to look at that and it would be a good pick to add another guy there.  Hopefully Abdulla does improve and can be a bigger part of the rotation. Regardless if Hamilton comes back or not shouldn't change our draft.  He isn't the pass rush DT we need imo.  He has 4.5 sacks in 3 years and is more of a space eating NT that can give you some pass rush at times.  We still need to add more of a pass rusher there imo

Hopefully Lacy can turn into what we have needed for years but you can't count on it

I'm reminded of the Bucs selection of Joe Tryon a few years back. They got a good player at the end of the 1st coming off a Super Bowl win and he's exactly the kind of player I'd like to see them get here next April.
You can never have too many pass rushers or lineman but you can certainly have too many TEs or off ball linebackers lol
(11-30-2023, 10:55 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2023, 02:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You can never have enough pass rushers they say, and I think they are correct. 

We did just spend capital on Abdullah - so we gotta hope that turns into value - but adding another guy (a bigger one preferably) to develop that way would make sense. 


The urgency of a quality IDL disruptor will largely hinge upon what happens when Hamilton is finally conditioned and strong enough to play near his former ability pre-illness. If he lines up after our wildcard week bye and starts compressing the pocket consistently - they can spend less and look for someone to rotate in more effectively than the current second tier DTs on the roster. But if a DT/NT with big upside falls in their lap - they have to consider it regardless. I don't think it is a position they have the luxury of addressing in free agency because of all the guys requiring new deals who are vital to our current roster.
We drafted Lacey as well when talking about DT or interior pass rush being a need.  I believe they drafted him to develop into what we need there as a 3/4 DE or DT in the 4-3.  I'm saying if a edge pass rusher is there at the top of our board when we pick in the 1st I think they have to look at that and it would be a good pick to add another guy there.  Hopefully Abdulla does improve and can be a bigger part of the rotation. Regardless if Hamilton comes back or not shouldn't change our draft.  He isn't the pass rush DT we need imo.  He has 4.5 sacks in 3 years and is more of a space eating NT that can give you some pass rush at times.  We still need to add more of a pass rusher there imo

Hopefully Lacy can turn into what we have needed for years but you can't count on it

Lacy is similar to Abdullah - mid round pick with "rotational guy" being a more likely ceiling than taking over a starting spot or primary role. I'd love to be wrong about either of those guys or both, but we'll see. 

I know you haven't agreed with this in the past for some reason, but the facts are that they use Fatukasi as a space eater more than Hamilton - and actually ask Hamilton to disrupt pockets pretty often. 
Yes, he's the only other real NT type so they need him to eat space at times too, but they use him differently than Foley when both are available. 

He had a pass rush grade of 76.1 last year that was higher than his run defense grade and interestingly higher than nearly all of his DL/OLB teammates. He generated 31 pressures on the QB last year while usually playing fewer than 50% of the snaps.
That's a decent pressure rate for a big IDL.  Not outstanding, but good, which sort of aligns with the deal they gave him. 

 In only 4 of 17 games last year did he play beyond 60% of the snaps - and if you look at the game logs and injury reports - he only played these  "high" snap numbers in games when we faced a ton of passing, or Foley was banged up so they didn't have their run set NT available. This is because they use Ham. vs the pass more than the run. 

We have absolutely missed him this year in 5 or 6 games when opposing QBs had really clean pockets to operate from too often.
In many passing downs those games would have seen D-Ham and RRH on the field simultaneously and that's our best IDL pressure combo when both are healthy. 

 But if his health is a question mark in the offseason and we can do better than what he's giving us... An IDL disruptor should be an option on the table.  

My primary concern with D-Ham is whether or not he is going to bounce back from this infection and subsequent loss of weight and conditioning properly. 

Those 290 pound + guys walk a very fine line between holding weight and staying conditioned and athletic. He may need some time, and he may not return to that 2022 form that was supposed to only be the beginning for him. I hope we see something good from him by week 18 but this is a big setback.
Why I wanted Kancey. Missed the first quarter of the season and should be way behind in development.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootbal...-the-month


" His arms are to short" lol
(12-01-2023, 09:10 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Why I wanted Kancey.  Missed the first quarter of the season and should be way behind in development.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootbal...-the-month


" His arms are to short"  lol

I liked him more than Mazi Smith coming out in the draft. Never understood the fear of having "short" or "short armed" defensive lineman working the inside. Guys that are barely 6'0 or 6'1 with size to them and have that much quickness are viable, especially in today's NFL where the pass game is dominate. 

John Randle had no issues throughout his career. Aaron Donald has had no issues throughout his career. Chris Hovan was also decent earlier in his career with the Vikings. I hope Hamilton can turn it around but we need to be looking at a dominate 1-tech / 3-tech that can generate pressure either through leverage and arm technique or outright power.
(12-01-2023, 09:58 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-01-2023, 09:10 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Why I wanted Kancey.  Missed the first quarter of the season and should be way behind in development.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootbal...-the-month


" His arms are to short"  lol

I liked him more than Mazi Smith coming out in the draft. Never understood the fear of having "short" or "short armed" defensive lineman working the inside. Guys that are barely 6'0 or 6'1 with size to them and have that much quickness are viable, especially in today's NFL where the pass game is dominate. 

John Randle had no issues throughout his career. Aaron Donald has had no issues throughout his career. Chris Hovan was also decent earlier in his career with the Vikings. I hope Hamilton can turn it around but we need to be looking at a dominate 1-tech / 3-tech that can generate pressure either through leverage and arm technique or outright power.

Even if Hamilton comes back 100% we still need that pass rushing 3 tech and im a big Hamilton fan.  We needed it after last year and still need it
(12-01-2023, 10:02 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-01-2023, 09:58 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I liked him more than Mazi Smith coming out in the draft. Never understood the fear of having "short" or "short armed" defensive lineman working the inside. Guys that are barely 6'0 or 6'1 with size to them and have that much quickness are viable, especially in today's NFL where the pass game is dominate. 

John Randle had no issues throughout his career. Aaron Donald has had no issues throughout his career. Chris Hovan was also decent earlier in his career with the Vikings. I hope Hamilton can turn it around but we need to be looking at a dominate 1-tech / 3-tech that can generate pressure either through leverage and arm technique or outright power.

Even if Hamilton comes back 100% we still need that pass rushing 3 tech and im a big Hamilton fan.  We needed it after last year and still need it

Yeah. It's a hard position to pin down for this type of defense. You're probably forced into looking at a tweener type of guy. If you want balance? I think you target Sweat out of Texas. If you want a guy that can move around a bit? I think you target Leonard Taylor III. If you want a pure pass rushing big man down the middle? I think you look at TJ Sanders from South Carolina. 

If James Madison's Jalen Green can be had on day three? I would take him. He's a 6'1, 245 pound DE that was having a crazy good year before a season ending injury. If I could get him late and work on getting him heavier for a year? I would try him out at DT on pass rushing situations. That guy can move for his size. He's just about 30 - 40 pounds too light to play inside at the moment.
Bumping this because it needs to be emphasized now given the circumstances on offense.

We're now short Lawrence, potentially Kirk and Little going into this match-up in Cleveland. We're going to be tasked with scheming a good offense up against the #1 or #2 best ranked defense in the NFL.

They're scrappy and they have a questionable QB situation as well at the moment. With that said? Somebody on this defensive line NOT named Josh Allen and Travon Walker need to pick up the [BLEEP] pace here and set the tone.

Play-off teams and play-off football starts with intensity, power and dominance in the trenches. It starts from the inside, out. If this interior of the defense continues to lay down like a dog? Doesn't matter who the opposing QB is. A good head coach and good offensive coordinator is going to exploit the [BLEEP] out of it.

GUT CHECK time boys. GUT CHECK time.
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