(12-10-2023, 09:31 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2023, 04:53 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Juat because someone accuses you of something, doesn't make you guilty of something..
Cope harder..
What make you think he cares about proof?
Did Trump not say he declassified it with his mind?
Did he not tell Raffensburger he would be prosecuted if he couldn't "find" votes?
Did you ask for proof of the sunset?
Neither party wants to solve this problem when it comes to immigration. It’s a political reality.
(12-10-2023, 07:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2023, 05:50 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, that's not cool. I find Biden a completely useless waste of space but I'm not going to say the bolded part above about him. You have a serious mental problem when it comes to Trump.
LOLOLOLOL
You really believe this?
Biden is useless and a waste of space. But if he dies tomorrow, assuming it's peacefully, it won't change much about the trajectory we are on and how we decide things. If Trump dies tomorrow, assuming peacefully, the Republican party will start acting like Republicans again. You can tell they want to.
As for your second question, yes, I really believe Trump has broken the law many times and cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star at least once.
I meant do you really believe Biden hasn't broken the law many times? Before and during his presidency?
(12-11-2023, 05:58 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Neither party wants to solve this problem when it comes to immigration. It’s a political reality.
It's certainly a tool they both use to sway public opinion and get votes.
(12-11-2023, 10:55 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2023, 07:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Biden is useless and a waste of space. But if he dies tomorrow, assuming it's peacefully, it won't change much about the trajectory we are on and how we decide things. If Trump dies tomorrow, assuming peacefully, the Republican party will start acting like Republicans again. You can tell they want to.
As for your second question, yes, I really believe Trump has broken the law many times and cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star at least once.
I meant do you really believe Biden hasn't broken the law many times? Before and during his presidency?
(12-11-2023, 05:58 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Neither party wants to solve this problem when it comes to immigration. It’s a political reality.
It's certainly a tool they both use to sway public opinion and get votes.
A few folders of classified docs in a private detached home and a private office
vs
About a hundred boxes of classified docs stored in a clubhouse bathroom.
A $50,000 loan that might be from China
vs
Control of $2 billion in Saudi sovereign wealth
All politicians at this level have warts and dealings you'd rather not think about. The Trumps have orders of magnitude more, though.
(12-10-2023, 03:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2023, 02:37 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Exhibit #1, ladies and gentlemen.
Has nothing to do with me. When the left feels like they only have to be better than Trump, they will let their freak flag fly because they know consequences will be minimal. When the Republican party puts better people in front the Democrats will be forced to respond in kind.
I agree with that. I think Trump chases a lot of people over to the Democrats, and these are people (like me) who would normally be repelled by the policies of the Democrat Party.
There are other factors involved, but I think Trump is the main one.
(12-12-2023, 09:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2023, 03:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Has nothing to do with me. When the left feels like they only have to be better than Trump, they will let their freak flag fly because they know consequences will be minimal. When the Republican party puts better people in front the Democrats will be forced to respond in kind.
I agree with that. I think Trump chases a lot of people over to the Democrats, and these are people (like me) who would normally be repelled by the policies of the Democrat Party.
There are other factors involved, but I think Trump is the main one.
And those people (like you) are huge vaginas that care nothing about our country, only care about lining Democrat pockets, like your Daddy Joe and Brother Hunter.
I mean, we don't even have to throw every RINO and Biden Democrat out on their butts. The Cartel could probably walk right into this country and pick em off clean, right out of their own castles built from smugness.
The democrats are hell bent on destroying this country. It used to be opinion that divides us, now it's Patriotism and Common Sense, and it's obvious that you lack both.
Personally, I think you pieces of scum are the true enemies of this great nation of ours.
But, you know what they say about opinions.. Everyone has one.
They aren't enemies. They are enablers. They aren't knowingly doing harm.
(12-12-2023, 09:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2023, 03:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Has nothing to do with me. When the left feels like they only have to be better than Trump, they will let their freak flag fly because they know consequences will be minimal. When the Republican party puts better people in front the Democrats will be forced to respond in kind.
I agree with that. I think Trump chases a lot of people over to the Democrats, and these are people (like me) who would normally be repelled by the policies of the Democrat Party.
There are other factors involved, but I think Trump is the main one.
I’m curious about this dynamic. You say you are normally repelled by the policies of the Democrats but you chose to vote for them because of one man. Are your values always so flexible and easily abandoned? Would you begin eating food you dislike because a person you detest also eats the foods you like?
That’s not sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.
(12-12-2023, 06:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2023, 09:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with that. I think Trump chases a lot of people over to the Democrats, and these are people (like me) who would normally be repelled by the policies of the Democrat Party.
There are other factors involved, but I think Trump is the main one.
I’m curious about this dynamic. You say you are normally repelled by the policies of the Democrats but you chose to vote for them because of one man. Are your values always so flexible and easily abandoned? Would you begin eating food you dislike because a person you detest also eats the foods you like?
That’s not sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.
I would begin eating food I dislike if someone started spreading poop on the food I like. Gotta eat. Sad that the food I like got ruined with literal human excrement. Might still look the same, many people might swear they can't taste it, will insist it's not there, but the risk of cholera and dysentery are never going to go away.
(12-12-2023, 09:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2023, 03:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Has nothing to do with me. When the left feels like they only have to be better than Trump, they will let their freak flag fly because they know consequences will be minimal. When the Republican party puts better people in front the Democrats will be forced to respond in kind.
I agree with that. I think Trump chases a lot of people over to the Democrats, and these are people (like me) who would normally be repelled by the policies of the Democrat Party.
There are other factors involved, but I think Trump is the main one.
So your strong dislike for one man overrides your values? I'd never be able to vote if that was my thought process.
(12-12-2023, 08:11 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2023, 09:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with that. I think Trump chases a lot of people over to the Democrats, and these are people (like me) who would normally be repelled by the policies of the Democrat Party.
There are other factors involved, but I think Trump is the main one.
So your strong dislike for one man overrides your values? I'd never be able to vote if that was my thought process.
Or vote for a third candidate who aligns more with my values.
(12-12-2023, 06:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2023, 09:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with that. I think Trump chases a lot of people over to the Democrats, and these are people (like me) who would normally be repelled by the policies of the Democrat Party.
There are other factors involved, but I think Trump is the main one.
I’m curious about this dynamic. You say you are normally repelled by the policies of the Democrats but you chose to vote for them because of one man. Are your values always so flexible and easily abandoned? Would you begin eating food you dislike because a person you detest also eats the foods you like?
That’s not sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.
To be a little more accurate, there are some Democrat policies I do like. I think we should continue to support Ukraine against Russia, and I also agree that climate change is real and we should try to do something to mitigate it. Some things I don't like about Democrats include identity politics and affirmative action, and their irresponsibility with the federal budget. I like some Republican policies as well, including but not limited to, much better border control, and getting the federal budget into a sustainable position. One of the things I don't like about Republicans is they don't seem to have any spine when it comes to Trump's claim that the election was stolen. They know it wasn't stolen, but they won't come out and say it, because they're scared.
I've already outlined many times all the reasons I can't vote for Trump because of who he is, how he behaves, and how he thinks, so I won't re-start that conversation here. No one ever changes their mind anyway. This message board seems to be mostly populated by people who have nothing better to do with their lives except getting their rocks off by irritating other people. I'm not talking about you. But I guarantee you the common response to this post will be to call me a Rino, to claim I'm a liberal, to say liberals should be gotten rid of, because they intentionally want to destroy the country, that I am blind to reality, etc, etc etc. Just trash talk.
(12-12-2023, 06:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2023, 09:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with that. I think Trump chases a lot of people over to the Democrats, and these are people (like me) who would normally be repelled by the policies of the Democrat Party.
There are other factors involved, but I think Trump is the main one.
I’m curious about this dynamic. You say you are normally repelled by the policies of the Democrats but you chose to vote for them because of one man. Are your values always so flexible and easily abandoned? Would you begin eating food you dislike because a person you detest also eats the foods you like?
That’s not sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.
Yes, moderates have no spine, no principle they will not offer up on the altar of appeasement. They twist in the wind like a weather vane, always pointed with and never against the prevailing wind.
(12-13-2023, 07:32 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2023, 06:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I’m curious about this dynamic. You say you are normally repelled by the policies of the Democrats but you chose to vote for them because of one man. Are your values always so flexible and easily abandoned? Would you begin eating food you dislike because a person you detest also eats the foods you like?
That’s not sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.
Yes, moderates have no spine, no principle they will not offer up on the altar of appeasement. They twist in the wind like a weather vane, always pointed with and never against the prevailing wind.
I would make decisions that are based on practicality and results, and not on ideology. If that makes me a moderate, so be it. If you want to ask me a specific question about a specific issue, I will give you a specific answer, but I will not be all-in on any side of the political spectrum.
(12-12-2023, 07:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2023, 06:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I’m curious about this dynamic. You say you are normally repelled by the policies of the Democrats but you chose to vote for them because of one man. Are your values always so flexible and easily abandoned? Would you begin eating food you dislike because a person you detest also eats the foods you like?
That’s not sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.
I would begin eating food I dislike if someone started spreading poop on the food I like. Gotta eat. Sad that the food I like got ruined with literal human excrement. Might still look the same, many people might swear they can't taste it, will insist it's not there, but the risk of cholera and dysentery are never going to go away.
You traded excrement that washed off for arsenic that can not.
(12-13-2023, 07:35 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2023, 07:32 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, moderates have no spine, no principle they will not offer up on the altar of appeasement. They twist in the wind like a weather vane, always pointed with and never against the prevailing wind.
^ Right off the bat, example #1. Just trash talk. Worthless.
Just the facts, you chose to betray the principles of your Party and Country over your dislike of a person. You gave your vote to Joe Biden, little im my lifetime has been more horrific for our nation than that. Explain it away all you want, the last three years show why Anti-Trump moderates are fools.
(12-13-2023, 07:24 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2023, 06:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I’m curious about this dynamic. You say you are normally repelled by the policies of the Democrats but you chose to vote for them because of one man. Are your values always so flexible and easily abandoned? Would you begin eating food you dislike because a person you detest also eats the foods you like?
That’s not sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.
To be a little more accurate, there are some Democrat policies I do like. I think we should continue to support Ukraine against Russia, and I also agree that climate change is real and we should try to do something to mitigate it. Some things I don't like about Democrats include identity politics and affirmative action, and their irresponsibility with the federal budget. I like some Republican policies as well, including but not limited to, much better border control, and getting the federal budget into a sustainable position. One of the things I don't like about Republicans is they don't seem to have any spine when it comes to Trump's claim that the election was stolen. They know it wasn't stolen, but they won't come out and say it, because they're scared.
I've already outlined many times all the reasons I can't vote for Trump because of who he is, how he behaves, and how he thinks, so I won't re-start that conversation here. No one ever changes their mind anyway. This message board seems to be mostly populated by people who have nothing better to do with their lives except getting their rocks off by irritating other people. I'm not talking about you. But I guarantee you the common response to this post will be to call me a Rino, to claim I'm a liberal, to say liberals should be gotten rid of, because they intentionally want to destroy the country, that I am blind to reality, etc, etc etc. Just trash talk.
Fair enough. Thanks, Marty.
First we had Malibu Barbie, now we got Damage Control Marty..
(12-13-2023, 07:32 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2023, 06:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I’m curious about this dynamic. You say you are normally repelled by the policies of the Democrats but you chose to vote for them because of one man. Are your values always so flexible and easily abandoned? Would you begin eating food you dislike because a person you detest also eats the foods you like?
That’s not sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.
Yes, moderates have no spine, no principle they will not offer up on the altar of appeasement. They twist in the wind like a weather vane, always pointed with and never against the prevailing wind.
You hit the nail on the head with this one. Even thinking back on it, apart from the constant bombardment of Trump from the media, our lives were better in every way. They know this is true. It's the discontent they can't stomach. As long as they hear everything is fine, they are ok with everything not being fine. If they hear everything is falling apart, they agonize even though nothing is falling apart.
First it was Russiagate, which was proven to be entirely orchestrated by establishment powers, now it's J6, which they just can't fathom could be orchestrated by establishment powers. There will always be one more thing to cast doom and gloom, except, of course from the greed and entitlement that is truly a global threat.
(12-13-2023, 07:32 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2023, 06:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I’m curious about this dynamic. You say you are normally repelled by the policies of the Democrats but you chose to vote for them because of one man. Are your values always so flexible and easily abandoned? Would you begin eating food you dislike because a person you detest also eats the foods you like?
That’s not sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.
Yes, moderates have no spine, no principle they will not offer up on the altar of appeasement. They twist in the wind like a weather vane, always pointed with and never against the prevailing wind.
Speaking only for myself, I will never give up the principles of innocent until proven guilty, anyone can be investigated for their public behavior, no one is above the law, incitement and threats are not free speech, all leaders must be chosen on the basis of who has the most votes, among many others.