(12-17-2023, 02:23 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Then they aren't afraid of Trump, they are afraid of Trump's base. There's a big difference. It should also be an indicator of who holds the power. His base trusts him and mistrusts the establishment in the same way you trust the establishment and mistrust Trump. You seem to think Trump can do whatever he wants and keep support. Sure, for a small minority, that's true. The same way it's true for Dems or the establishment GOP. However, he would immediately lose most of his support if he rolled over and stopped attacking the corruption in our government. The vast majority of his support is based on that and that alone.
They are afraid of Trump and the base. They aren't afraid of the base by themselves because the base has no power. The base can't choose who runs in primaries and gets support from GOP. Now if the base takes over the local committees that recommend and vote to support candidates, then the GOP is in trouble.
Some local things are happening but right now the GOP will just crush the base if Trump is not there to drain the swamp. Same thing already happened to the Tea Party.
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(12-17-2023, 02:15 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2023, 02:23 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Then they aren't afraid of Trump, they are afraid of Trump's base. There's a big difference. It should also be an indicator of who holds the power. His base trusts him and mistrusts the establishment in the same way you trust the establishment and mistrust Trump. You seem to think Trump can do whatever he wants and keep support. Sure, for a small minority, that's true. The same way it's true for Dems or the establishment GOP. However, he would immediately lose most of his support if he rolled over and stopped attacking the corruption in our government. The vast majority of his support is based on that and that alone.
They are afraid of Trump and the base. They aren't afraid of the base by themselves because the base has no power. The base can't choose who runs in primaries and gets support from GOP. Now if the base takes over the local committees that recommend and vote to support candidates, then the GOP is in trouble.
Some local things are happening but right now the GOP will just crush the base if Trump is not there to drain the swamp. Same thing already happened to the Tea Party.
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I agree. The one is not dangerous or even important without the other. Trump without his base is just a random cranky man and his base without him will have no unity.
A lot of Trump's base didn't previously vote much, and didn't consistently vote for Republicans. I welcome any new people to come in and win nominations and change the Republican party if they can. It's when they congeal around a person who doesn't care about the constitution itself, a man who wants to be a dictator, that I have to fight them.
We're only dangerous to The Establishment..
(12-17-2023, 02:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2023, 02:15 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]They are afraid of Trump and the base. They aren't afraid of the base by themselves because the base has no power. The base can't choose who runs in primaries and gets support from GOP. Now if the base takes over the local committees that recommend and vote to support candidates, then the GOP is in trouble.
Some local things are happening but right now the GOP will just crush the base if Trump is not there to drain the swamp. Same thing already happened to the Tea Party.
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I agree. The one is not dangerous or even important without the other. Trump without his base is just a random cranky man and his base without him will have no unity.
A lot of Trump's base didn't previously vote much, and didn't consistently vote for Republicans. I welcome any new people to come in and win nominations and change the Republican party if they can. It's when they congeal around a person who doesn't care about the constitution itself, a man who wants to be a dictator, that I have to fight them.
And thereby give the country over to the left with the last three years as a result. Good [BLEEP] job Quizzie.
You know... because the left really cares about the constitution.
(12-18-2023, 12:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You know... because the left really cares about the constitution.
They care a hell of a lot more than Trump does.
(12-18-2023, 12:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 12:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You know... because the left really cares about the constitution.
They care a hell of a lot more than Trump does.
Does it hurt to be that tarded?
And this is why I struggle to take you seriously, Mikey. There is a giant pretense by our political elites that they care about our constitution. Aside from rhetoric that's used to wield power, what constitutional positions are taken up and defended by the left? Freedom of Religion? Freedom of speech? The right to bear arms? We don't follow its war rules. We don't follow its tax rules. We don't limit the power of the Executive branch. We don't care about privacy. We don't care about campaign finance corruption. We don't care about Judicial overreach. We don't care about our border. I mean, I could go on, but this should suffice. So, with these in mind, which part of the Constitution do you feel the left actively protects? Let me guess, the peaceful transition of power.
(12-18-2023, 03:06 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]And this is why I struggle to take you seriously, Mikey. There is a giant pretense by our political elites that they care about our constitution. Aside from rhetoric that's used to wield power, what constitutional positions are taken up and defended by the left? Freedom of Religion? Freedom of speech? The right to bear arms? We don't follow its war rules. We don't follow its tax rules. We don't limit the power of the Executive branch. We don't care about privacy. We don't care about campaign finance corruption. We don't care about Judicial overreach. We don't care about our border. I mean, I could go on, but this should suffice. So, with these in mind, which part of the Constitution do you feel the left actively protects? Let me guess, the peaceful transition of power.
The left passed campaign finance laws. The conservatives on the court ruled these laws infringed on free speech. The left passed anti corruption laws. The court overturned convictions and effectively nullified those laws. The left passed certain health care mandates and labor protections. The conservative court reduced the scope of these mandates due to religious freedom concerns. In each case the left cried "judicial overreach". Did the conservative court get these rulings wrong?
Regardless, are these not all examples of the checks and balances of the constitution working? Even if you don't like the outcome?
(12-17-2023, 05:36 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]We're only dangerous to The Establishment..
If you define "The Establishment" as "anyone who doesn't support Trump." Am I right?
(12-19-2023, 12:44 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2023, 05:36 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]We're only dangerous to The Establishment..
If you define "The Establishment" as "anyone who doesn't support Trump." Am I right?
Not even close, try again, commie..
(12-19-2023, 01:12 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 12:44 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]If you define "The Establishment" as "anyone who doesn't support Trump." Am I right?
Not even close, try again, commie..
Lol. Nothing like a good ol guessing game to make someone feel smarter than the person they're talking to. "You're wrong, but I won't tell you the right answer! Trust me, I know the right answer, but I'm just not telling! Just guess! What you can't guess?! What are you, stupid?"
Get out of here with that stoicism. Marty is projecting his own ideas of antiestablishment onto a group of people not using the term any differently than it'salways been used. This is a well known concept.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona...ablishment
Not hard to find. You are such a disingenuous person sometimes, bro.
(12-19-2023, 05:20 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of here with that stoicism. Marty is projecting his own ideas of antiestablishment onto a group of people not using the term any differently than it'salways been used. This is a well known concept.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona...ablishment
Not hard to find. You are such a disingenuous person sometimes, bro.
Marty is actually being generous. The dictionary definition you offer is too general to be useful and Winger wouldn't identify with it either. Commies and Nazis are both anti-establishment. Marty says he's dangerous to "the establishment" and that could mean a lot of people that Winger actually likes. Winger should be more specific.
(12-19-2023, 05:39 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 04:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Lol. Nothing like a good ol guessing game to make someone feel smarter than the person they're talking to. "You're wrong, but I won't tell you the right answer! Trust me, I know the right answer, but I'm just not telling! Just guess! What you can't guess?! What are you, stupid?"
Congratulations!!
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Thanks buddy! I got one for you too! I even got the neighbor's dog to fill the cup up for you! Merry Christmas!!
(12-19-2023, 05:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 05:20 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of here with that stoicism. Marty is projecting his own ideas of antiestablishment onto a group of people not using the term any differently than it'salways been used. This is a well known concept.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona...ablishment
Not hard to find. You are such a disingenuous person sometimes, bro.
Marty is actually being generous. The dictionary definition you offer is too general to be useful and Winger wouldn't identify with it either. Commies and Nazis are both anti-establishment. Marty says he's dangerous to "the establishment" and that could mean a lot of people that Winger actually likes. Winger should be more specific.
(12-19-2023, 05:39 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Congratulations!!
Thanks buddy! I got one for you too! I even got the neighbor's dog to fill the cup up for you! Merry Christmas!!
And I'm sure your neighbors saw you following their dog around with a cup in your hand..
This you?
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(12-19-2023, 05:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 05:20 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of here with that stoicism. Marty is projecting his own ideas of antiestablishment onto a group of people not using the term any differently than it'salways been used. This is a well known concept.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona...ablishment
Not hard to find. You are such a disingenuous person sometimes, bro.
Marty is actually being generous. The dictionary definition you offer is too general to be useful and Winger wouldn't identify with it either. Commies and Nazis are both anti-establishment. Marty says he's dangerous to "the establishment" and that could mean a lot of people that Winger actually likes. Winger should be more specific.
Neither you or Marty are dumb enough to mistakenly believe WingerDinger is a communist or nazi. Winger literally just agreed with me that Trump's base expects him to fight the establishment or they wouldn't support him. Who is the establishment. Don't play dumb.
(12-19-2023, 06:36 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Neither you or Marty are dumb enough to mistakenly believe WingerDinger is a communist or nazi. Winger literally just agreed with me that Trump's base expects him to fight the establishment or they wouldn't support him. Who is the establishment. Don't play dumb.
If Trump went with the elite Uniparty or (Mike & Marty's) precious establishment, I'd drop him too.. I'm pretty sure most of his fan base feels the same way.