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Quote:So? You say fire him right now?

If you think changing coaching 2 weeks before the season starts is better, stick to Atari football

Dang.  Not Madden?!?

 

Not even Tecmo Bowl?

 

But Atari?!?

Sweet baby Jebus and the orphans. The worst coach ever? No, not even close.

 

His teams in 13 and 14 were terrible, just terrible. 7 wins in 2 years fully is what they deserved.

 

Last year the team wasn't as bad as its record, but not by much. A stud at WR isn't going to go far when just about every other player on the team is either 'promising' or flat out not very good. Now we're at the stage where he players who should be the core of the team are hitting their early peaks and we have enough big time free agents at the top of their games to say the talent level should have the team competitive. The firsts looked good week 1 and 2 of the preseason against teams we should be looking to beat and sucked against a team who are one of the best in the league.

I want to see that Gruden Camp thing, but for coaches. Would love to see Gus break down what it takes to be a high level coach. 

I think Cincinnati is going to be one of the better teams in the AFC and we're not likely going to get to that same level this year.  

 

And with most of the replies in this thread, it's good to see the board in mid-season form already.

So... serious question.

 

We were a 5 win team last year and got beat up by the starters of a playoff team and top 10 defense in 3 series of a preseason game and you want to fire the coach and you think he's the worst ever?

 

Seriously?

 

Give me a break. 

Quote:So... serious question.

 

We were a 5 win team last year and got beat up by the starters of a playoff team and top 10 defense in 3 series of a preseason game and you want to fire the coach and you think he's the worst ever?

 

Seriously?

 

Give me a break. 

 

With anything close to decent coaching we should have been a 9 win team last year.

Quote:With anything close to decent coaching we should have been a 9 win team last year.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

insane.

 

Ridiculous.

 

A) you don't know that and if you do, what 4 games did coaching cost us last year?

and 2) do people really not realize how stupid it sounds to say that...?

 

does putting Gus on the Patriots team make them an 8 win team instead of 12?

Khan needs to ditch the HC altogether and replace him with voting buttons so fans can call plays.  Tie it in to season ticket holders, downloadable app only accessed by your account and personal code.

 

Championship!

 

After all, it's science.

Quote:Khan needs to ditch the HC altogether and replace him with voting buttons so fans can call plays. Tie it in to season ticket holders, downloadable app only accessed by your account and personal code.


Championship!


After all, it's science.

A fan vote could do just as good a job if not better than bobblehead Gus calling soft zone D behind a 4 man rush (aka the ice cream defense). At the very least there would be some variety.

Quote:Khan needs to ditch the HC altogether and replace him with voting buttons so fans can call plays.  Tie it in to season ticket holders, downloadable app only accessed by your account and personal code.

 

Championship!

 

After all, it's science.

Can't be much worse than what we currently have. 

I don't think anyone's basing it off of 1 preseason game but instead his entire body of work. This preseason game was just a reminder of the major coaching lapses that we have seen over the past few years. Most were extremely excited about the off-season's influx of talent because lack of it has been the excuse for the past 3 years. Amidst all of the excitement about a fully developed roster, we forgot that our first time head coach was just as young and untalented. We had 7 points taken off the board for an unforced error for gods sake! More of the same absent minded style penalties/gaffs. How does the QB move without the ball? It was another one of those completely uninspired performances that leaves you scratching your head wondering did they even practice this week. I mean complete bush league "because Jaguars" type stuff. We're not talking about just getting beat by a better team. I know Geno Atkins is good but come on! Everyone plays against someone better than them at some point but you can't just mail it in. Especially since "he's just good" was the excuse for the last regular season performance against Mercilus. It's the coaches job to inspire the player to step his game up against a better opponent or help put the player in a position to succeed. After all, we are told that that's what Gus's strength is, motivation.

Quote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

insane.

 

Ridiculous.

 

A) you don't know that and if you do, what 4 games did coaching cost us last year?

and 2) do people really not realize how stupid it sounds to say that...?

 

does putting Gus on the Patriots team make them an 8 win team instead of 12?

 

Did you pay any attention to our opponents and their disasters at QB and OL last season? Average coaching would have had us around average on defense against the schedule we faced. Instead we were 31st. 31st!


 

We should have won the 1st Houston game (Babich should have been fired immediately after that). We also should have won the second tacks game and the Bucs game. Any competent defensive coordinator would have held the opponents to under 20 points in those three games.


 

That's three. There were also a few other close games where the defense failed, such as the first clots game.


 

And yes, Gus coaching the Pats would have them at 8-8, especially if he was responsible for player development for the previous two years.

Quote:A fan vote could do just as good a job if not better than bobblehead Gus calling soft zone D behind a 4 man rush (aka the ice cream defense). At the very least there would be some variety.

See... you probably actually think that.

 

Which means you really know nothing.

Quote:Did you pay any attention to our opponents and their disasters at QB and OL last season? Average coaching would have had us around average on defense against the schedule we faced. Instead we were 31st. 31st!


 

We should have won the 1st Houston game (Babich should have been fired immediately after that). We also should have won the second tacks game and the Bucs game. Any competent defensive coordinator would have held the opponents to under 20 points in those three games.


 

That's three. There were also a few other close games where the defense failed, such as the first clots game.


 

And yes, Gus coaching the Pats would have them at 8-8, especially if he was responsible for player development for the previous two years.

Vague examples at best. So, we're in a shoot out with the Bucs and can't tackle Martin, and Gus could fix that how exactly?

 

I still don't see how any of the examples given are won with "better coaching". 

 

There are a few others we did win that we could have not won.

What exactly is the point in the "almosts"? 


I'm asking for proof in this insane idea that coaching matters enough for 4 wins.

 

Stupidest thing I've heard since 'bae'.

Quote:I think Cincinnati is going to be one of the better teams in the AFC and we're not likely going to get to that same level this year.  

  

And with most of the replies in this thread, it's good to see the board in mid-season form already.

 

But Cincy doesn't game plan, yadda, yadda with preseason.  Didn't you hear?

 

I agree.  The have much talent top to bottom.  Our offense wasn't as strong and did not start as fast as in previous preseason games.

 

Yet the guys fighting for roster spots won the game for us.

 

Not time to light the torches and sharpen the pitchforks.

 

Not yet.  I wouldn't sell them just yet.  Might bring more later on ebay.

Quote:But Cincy doesn't game plan, yadda, yadda with preseason.  Didn't you hear?

 

I agree.  The have much talent top to bottom.  Our offense wasn't as strong and did not start as fast as in previous preseason games.

 

Yet the guys fighting for roster spots won the game for us.

 

Not time to light the torches and sharpen the pitchforks.

 

Not yet.  I wouldn't sell them just yet.  Might bring more later on ebay.

This.

 

If this team looks this sloppy and slow to start a couple into the regular season I'd probably guess there is more to it than "not enough talent"

 

Toward the end of last season I even joined in on the "time for Gus to go?" line.

DC decided no, and I'm OK with that.

If we can't win at LEAST 8 games this season, we need a change at least just for a change.

Quote:Vague examples at best. So, we're in a shoot out with the Bucs and can't tackle Martin, and Gus could fix that how exactly?

 

I still don't see how any of the examples given are won with "better coaching". 

 

There are a few others we did win that we could have not won.

What exactly is the point in the "almosts"? 

I'm asking for proof in this insane idea that coaching matters enough for 4 wins.

 

Stupidest thing I've heard since 'bae'.

 

So I have to get specific about every play before you accept that coaching matters?


 

KC and Arizona both improved by 9 and 5 wins respectively when they changed coaches.

Quote:Did you pay any attention to our opponents and their disasters at QB and OL last season? Average coaching would have had us around average on defense against the schedule we faced. Instead we were 31st. 31st!


 

We should have won the 1st Houston game (Babich should have been fired immediately after that). We also should have won the second tacks game and the Bucs game. Any competent defensive coordinator would have held the opponents to under 20 points in those three games.


 

That's three. There were also a few other close games where the defense failed, such as the first clots game.


 

And yes, Gus coaching the Pats would have them at 8-8, especially if he was responsible for player development for the previous two years.

A couple of problems with this argument.

 

1)  The defense actually performed decently against  these backup QBs you cited.

 

2)  I'm not sure how Bradley could have been blamed for Mariota running for 88 yards, and botched C shotgun snaps.

 

Furthermore, even assuming no play call changed at all in the first Colts game, if Myers hits a FG, the Jaguars win that game.  Not sure how Bradley is responsible for Myers missing makeable FGs.

Quote:So I have to get specific about every play before you accept that coaching matters?


 

KC and Arizona both improved by 9 and 5 wins respectively when they changed coaches.

With the exact same roster I'm sure.

 

Pretty sure those improvements came on the cusp of getting a real starter at QB.

 

Both on teams pretty well stacked at D already.

 

Coaching matters, never said it didn't. I just don't sign on to the idea that coaching matters enough to drastically change a record.

The players on the field matter most.

 

Coaches failing to call time outs, misplaced challenges, bad lineup changes (Gus screwed up benching House for Gratz, imo and had some poor challenges over the years, I agree with that)

He is responsibile for coaches, so Fisch and Babich, all on him.

I even called him out for allowing his DC last season to be SO predictable that BoB dissected us all over in that last game.

 

BUT... I've never believed the Pats are good because of Belicheat. Or the squeelers because of Tomlin (or Cowher). Players>Plays

But it is all part of the equation. And if Gus isn't getting done, he'll be gone sooner or later. 

But bringing in some other guy guarantees nothing. Especially not 4 more wins.

 

Sorry.

Quote:A couple of problems with this argument.

 

1)  The defense actually performed decently against  these backup QBs you cited.

 

2)  I'm not sure how Bradley could have been blamed for Mariota running for 88 yards, and botched C shotgun snaps.

 

Furthermore, even assuming no play call changed at all in the first Colts game, if Myers hits a FG, the Jaguars win that game.  Not sure how Bradley is responsible for Myers missing makeable FGs.

 

1) I disagree. Specifically, Houston with Brian Hoyer. Go back and watch the three plays in the first Houston game beginning with 6:15 left in the 3rd quarter.


 
The Bills game was a win, but the defense gave up 27 points to E.J. Manuel.


 

2) The tacks scored 42 points. I'm only suggesting the defense should have been able to keep them under 20. Even adding in the 14 points you mentioned only gets them to 34, which is still a win for the Jags.


 

3) If the defense was a little better the FGs wouldn't have been necessary.


 

And maybe, with a better DB coach and DC, Gratz and Cyprien and Evans and Colvin and McCray and Harris would have developed (or at least two of them). Although the game time decisions on defense were a problem, Gus also failed on player development.