(05-01-2024, 11:24 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2024, 11:15 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]B-. Didnt like the K and RB picks. Should have drafted for O line depth in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
So you want to draft depth rather than higher graded players with starter grades in those high picks???
(04-30-2024, 10:07 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, it gives your LBs and Safeties more tackles.
I do think that chart has some magical PFF sprinkles on it. No DT wins 90+% of his pass rush match-ups, let alone 4 in one draft.
Also, level of competition can significantly alter these ratings in college. NFL charts give a better picture of the player as competition is much closer to even across the league.
This is how Chicago started the darft with 4 picks and made one of them on a punter. We had a vacuum at K, and took one when the run was on. That one didn't upset me so much. Question is, if you don't take him in the 6th, does anyone else take him? IIRC he was the last kicker taken. Other teams brought in UDFA.
If we are that worried about KR, pretty sure you can grab a guy who does "run fast" in UDFA. We passed up on a lot of linemen who might help keep Trevor upright once the KR's job is done. So yeah, I put a heap more value on quality depth (Christian Mahogany went in the sixth!) than I do a specialist.
(04-30-2024, 06:46 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I give it a B/B-, but light years better than last year's.
I don't like that a guard or center wasn't drafted, especially picking Jefferson over some good prospects.
I like Maason Smith pick. He's boom or bust. He has all the measurables and was peaking toward the end of last season.
I also love the two scheme-specific corners. Both seem very competitive and talented, with Jones likely starting at nickel or outside.
Baalke's best work was fleecing Minnesota and still grabbing Thomas. I read the rumor that they had a mandate from Trevor's camp to get him another weapon. I also think Baalke also faced a lot of pressure from the new LSU defensive gurus to draft Maason Smith. If either of these are true, he pleased all stakeholders.
I strongly disliked the assistant GM's comments to Jags reporter Mia while round 5 or 6 was ongoing. He said no players on their board remained, and at that point the scouts start making arguments for players. He chuckled and said, "this is how they earn their money" or something to that effect. They should rank every potential draftable player and create a longer board so arguments for/against players don't need to occur on the clock. They treat the bottom 2-3 rounds as if it's throwing darts at the wall, with only special teams players remaining. It felt like Trent, Doug, and other top brass went to dinner after the 5th round. I wouldn't be asleep at the wheel leaving it to scouts to sift for hidden gems. If you make six figures, you should be supervising the whole time. It's just one more night, and it's kind of a big deal. I get it that they want to throw the hard-working scouts a bone and feel like they're part of the decisionmaking. But no, they're scouts. They can make the calls when/if they get promoted. Until then, their role is to provide reports and insights to the decisionmakers.
90% of this fanbase and local media are convinced that Baalke and Pederson are terrible drafters.
Why not let the scouts lead them by the nose for three late round picks if that is true?
And, unfortunately, it is very much like throwing darts at that point in the draft no matter who is steering the ship in the war room. These late rounders have roughly a 10% chance of ever making the 53.
(05-01-2024, 01:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2024, 06:46 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I give it a B/B-, but light years better than last year's.
I don't like that a guard or center wasn't drafted, especially picking Jefferson over some good prospects.
I like Maason Smith pick. He's boom or bust. He has all the measurables and was peaking toward the end of last season.
I also love the two scheme-specific corners. Both seem very competitive and talented, with Jones likely starting at nickel or outside.
Baalke's best work was fleecing Minnesota and still grabbing Thomas. I read the rumor that they had a mandate from Trevor's camp to get him another weapon. I also think Baalke also faced a lot of pressure from the new LSU defensive gurus to draft Maason Smith. If either of these are true, he pleased all stakeholders.
I strongly disliked the assistant GM's comments to Jags reporter Mia while round 5 or 6 was ongoing. He said no players on their board remained, and at that point the scouts start making arguments for players. He chuckled and said, "this is how they earn their money" or something to that effect. They should rank every potential draftable player and create a longer board so arguments for/against players don't need to occur on the clock. They treat the bottom 2-3 rounds as if it's throwing darts at the wall, with only special teams players remaining. It felt like Trent, Doug, and other top brass went to dinner after the 5th round. I wouldn't be asleep at the wheel leaving it to scouts to sift for hidden gems. If you make six figures, you should be supervising the whole time. It's just one more night, and it's kind of a big deal. I get it that they want to throw the hard-working scouts a bone and feel like they're part of the decisionmaking. But no, they're scouts. They can make the calls when/if they get promoted. Until then, their role is to provide reports and insights to the decisionmakers.
90% of this fanbase and local media are convinced that Baalke and Pederson are terrible drafters.
Why not let the scouts lead them by the nose for three late round picks if that is true?
And, unfortunately, it is very much like throwing darts at that point in the draft no matter who is steering the ship in the war room. These late rounders have roughly a 10% chance of ever making the 53.
Fans flipping the proverbial table over when we don't take a guy they wanted in the 5th, 6th or 7th round is hysterical to me.
(05-01-2024, 12:57 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2024, 11:24 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]
So you want to draft depth rather than higher graded players with starter grades in those high picks???
Also, level of competition can significantly alter these ratings in college. NFL charts give a better picture of the player as competition is much closer to even across the league.
This is how Chicago started the darft with 4 picks and made one of them on a punter. We had a vacuum at K, and took one when the run was on. That one didn't upset me so much. Question is, if you don't take him in the 6th, does anyone else take him? IIRC he was the last kicker taken. Other teams brought in UDFA.
If we are that worried about KR, pretty sure you can grab a guy who does "run fast" in UDFA. We passed up on a lot of linemen who might help keep Trevor upright once the KR's job is done. So yeah, I put a heap more value on quality depth (Christian Mahogany went in the sixth!) than I do a specialist.
It sounds like you are upset about how they chose to prioritize their needs from round to round rather than whether or not they addressed needs.
I see every pick they made as a clear need except for maybe the 7th rounder developmental long shot tweener.
I think the new rules dictated they go after another return guy. The question is if they player is valuable enough to pick the need when they picked it instead of waiting later or for UDFA?
The DT/NT in the fourth instead of IOL is the only one sticking in my craw for now. But it was a need.
(05-01-2024, 12:57 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2024, 11:24 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]
So you want to draft depth rather than higher graded players with starter grades in those high picks???
Also, level of competition can significantly alter these ratings in college. NFL charts give a better picture of the player as competition is much closer to even across the league.
This is how Chicago started the darft with 4 picks and made one of them on a punter. We had a vacuum at K, and took one when the run was on. That one didn't upset me so much. Question is, if you don't take him in the 6th, does anyone else take him? IIRC he was the last kicker taken. Other teams brought in UDFA.
If we are that worried about KR, pretty sure you can grab a guy who does "run fast" in UDFA. We passed up on a lot of linemen who might help keep Trevor upright once the KR's job is done. So yeah, I put a heap more value on quality depth (Christian Mahogany went in the sixth!) than I do a specialist.
Exactly. It's easier to find KR/PRs and special teamers as UDFAs if you're deficient than interior O-line. Every draft has late rounders who blossom into starters. No reason Baalke couldn't have taken a flier on an interior OL in the 6th and 7th rather than effectively giving up and using the picks on UDFAs he was prioritizing.
(04-30-2024, 09:51 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2024, 08:40 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/fball_insights/statu...915L-t18Xg
Jefferson. Woof.
Bottom left is good right? Lol
On further review, it's easy to see that Baalke allowed the new defensive coaches to have too much input. They pounded the table for LSU defenders with whom they're familiar, being homers. It's similar to when Urban probably pressured Baalke into taking Luke Farrell from Ohio State. Doug should be the only one who can make strong recommendations or near mandates because his job is on the line. If he goes, everyone goes. You can foster a collaborative environment and solicit feedback, but don't pick a second tier prospect just because a position coach knows the dude personally and raves about his work ethic and coachability. If more talented prospects are available, mute the coach's opinion. They're not professional scouts; they're not doing global comparisons for a living.
(05-01-2024, 12:57 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2024, 11:24 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]
So you want to draft depth rather than higher graded players with starter grades in those high picks???
Also, level of competition can significantly alter these ratings in college. NFL charts give a better picture of the player as competition is much closer to even across the league.
This is how Chicago started the darft with 4 picks and made one of them on a punter. We had a vacuum at K, and took one when the run was on. That one didn't upset me so much. Question is, if you don't take him in the 6th, does anyone else take him? IIRC he was the last kicker taken. Other teams brought in UDFA.
If we are that worried about KR, pretty sure you can grab a guy who does "run fast" in UDFA. We passed up on a lot of linemen who might help keep Trevor upright once the KR's job is done. So yeah, I put a heap more value on quality depth (Christian Mahogany went in the sixth!) than I do a specialist.
I was referring to the 2nd and 3rd round picks.
This is a huge year for Baalke. It is important last year’s picks produce and we see promise out of a couple of this year’s players.
(05-01-2024, 03:01 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]This is a huge year for Baalke. It is important last year’s picks produce and we see promise out of a couple of this year’s players.
Yeah. Between Strange, Bigsby and Johnson. We should expect more out of them in year two, as they at least cracked the field as rookies. Lacy and Abdullah might be on the bubble already this year due to the staff changes on defense. Hodges coming back is interesting.
This year I would think we expect splash plays out of our first three picks. Thomas Jr., Smith & Jones. I think they'll all contribute here and there and make plays in spurts but I would surprised if any of them come in blazing saddles, because it's rare.
For me, going back a year or two further. Need to see more plays out of Campbell and Cisco this year. Need to see Etienne become more consistent hopefully with a change at Center. Need to see Lawrence elevate his play while severely limiting his turnovers and tendencies there. Little needs to actually challenge for the LT job this summer.
I think people should be more patient with Strange, most TE’s take most of their full first contact to develop and show something. Especially if they are being to asked to be a true hybrid TE who can block and catch.
Early production like from Hockensen and LaPorta is very rare and often requires a scheme that treats them like slot WR’s.
I gave it a B-. I liked the first pick and that's the most important pick. I would have been happy with Thomas at #17, but we got three picks by trading down. Next year, we'll be happy to have that extra 3rd and 4th round pick.
We drafted at all of our needs with the exception of IOL. However, I'm not sure they correctly prioritized those needs. For example, I thought cornerback was our biggest need and we waited until a third round comp pick. I wanted a defensive end no later than the 4th round and we waited until the 7th round, etc.
Unlike some, I have no problem with drafting a kicker. I thought we should and would. In regards to the running back / kick returner, I don't particularly like the player, but I didn't have a problem with using a late round pick on that position. The new kickoff rules are expected to encourage the use of two returners. I also think most people are forgetting that keeping 4 running backs on your 53 man roster is the norm. We began last year with 4 on the roster. It was only after the injuries occurred and the Jaguars were desperate for available roster spots that they decided to release Hasty mid-season. For a healthy opening day roster, I would expect them to go back to 4. Prior to the draft, the Jaguars only had scrubs to fill that fourth spot.
In regard to value, I have serious questions. I realize that mock drafts and player evaluations aren't always right. However, they aren't always wrong either. It's an indication. If they are right, we reached on virtually every pick outside of the first and last round. Let's hope they are wrong. I could see this draft going in a lot of different directions. I do consider many of these to be "boom or bust" type of picks. If we hit on them, it could potentially be a very good draft.
(05-01-2024, 01:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2024, 06:46 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I give it a B/B-, but light years better than last year's.
I don't like that a guard or center wasn't drafted, especially picking Jefferson over some good prospects.
I like Maason Smith pick. He's boom or bust. He has all the measurables and was peaking toward the end of last season.
I also love the two scheme-specific corners. Both seem very competitive and talented, with Jones likely starting at nickel or outside.
Baalke's best work was fleecing Minnesota and still grabbing Thomas. I read the rumor that they had a mandate from Trevor's camp to get him another weapon. I also think Baalke also faced a lot of pressure from the new LSU defensive gurus to draft Maason Smith. If either of these are true, he pleased all stakeholders.
I strongly disliked the assistant GM's comments to Jags reporter Mia while round 5 or 6 was ongoing. He said no players on their board remained, and at that point the scouts start making arguments for players. He chuckled and said, "this is how they earn their money" or something to that effect. They should rank every potential draftable player and create a longer board so arguments for/against players don't need to occur on the clock. They treat the bottom 2-3 rounds as if it's throwing darts at the wall, with only special teams players remaining. It felt like Trent, Doug, and other top brass went to dinner after the 5th round. I wouldn't be asleep at the wheel leaving it to scouts to sift for hidden gems. If you make six figures, you should be supervising the whole time. It's just one more night, and it's kind of a big deal. I get it that they want to throw the hard-working scouts a bone and feel like they're part of the decisionmaking. But no, they're scouts. They can make the calls when/if they get promoted. Until then, their role is to provide reports and insights to the decisionmakers.
90% of this fanbase and local media are convinced that Baalke and Pederson are terrible drafters.
Why not let the scouts lead them by the nose for three late round picks if that is true?
And, unfortunately, it is very much like throwing darts at that point in the draft no matter who is steering the ship in the war room. These late rounders have roughly a 10% chance of ever making the 53.
Would you pay a manager a manager's salary if their way of managing was to let their reports figure out scheduling and allocation of daily work?
Would you let your manager order inventory if they have no idea what the products your vendor sells are, or how they would work in your kitchen? Even if it is just ketchup packets, you want to be sure they've done some homework on whether you need ketchup, whether this ketchup is any good, or if you could get the ketchup elsewhere for a better price.
It's a bad look if what that assistant said was true.
(05-01-2024, 01:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2024, 12:57 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]This is how Chicago started the darft with 4 picks and made one of them on a punter. We had a vacuum at K, and took one when the run was on. That one didn't upset me so much. Question is, if you don't take him in the 6th, does anyone else take him? IIRC he was the last kicker taken. Other teams brought in UDFA.
If we are that worried about KR, pretty sure you can grab a guy who does "run fast" in UDFA. We passed up on a lot of linemen who might help keep Trevor upright once the KR's job is done. So yeah, I put a heap more value on quality depth (Christian Mahogany went in the sixth!) than I do a specialist.
It sounds like you are upset about how they chose to prioritize their needs from round to round rather than whether or not they addressed needs.
I see every pick they made as a clear need except for maybe the 7th rounder developmental long shot tweener.
I think the new rules dictated they go after another return guy. The question is if they player is valuable enough to pick the need when they picked it instead of waiting later or for UDFA?
The DT/NT in the fourth instead of IOL is the only one sticking in my craw for now. But it was a need.
It's more that this darft was perfectly suited to fill a glaring need and we did dookie to take advantage.
It's that our primary goal should be to keep our QB upright and we are putting faith in old and/or oft-injured guys to do the heavy lifting with little support or future planning.
It's that we already have a crowded CB room full of young talent and we spent two picks to add more to the room.
It's that we don't seem to be preparing for the future. We cannot continue to rely on FA to produce starting caliber players. Eventually they get old, expensive, or both. When that happens, you need to have depth ready to go. Next year, we'll need OL line help still, but if the darft pool is not nearly as stacked, we'll end up having to reach to get guys of similar ability as were there this year.
Maybe it would have sucked less if we put any resources toward improving the IOL. It may be unfounded, but one of my peeves is that we made no movement on any of day 2 or 3. Maybe we had a plan and the guys we targeted just so happened to fit where we picked, but it seemed to me that the approach was bordering on apathy. It's one of those, "It's ok, but it could have been so much better" types of feelings. I'm hopeful that the guys we picked hit. I'm even more hopeful that not addressing IOL doesn't come back to bite them in the rump. I'm hopeful that my assessment is wrong, for the sake of the team, but I still can't help but be anxious.
(05-02-2024, 08:48 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2024, 01:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It sounds like you are upset about how they chose to prioritize their needs from round to round rather than whether or not they addressed needs.
I see every pick they made as a clear need except for maybe the 7th rounder developmental long shot tweener.
I think the new rules dictated they go after another return guy. The question is if they player is valuable enough to pick the need when they picked it instead of waiting later or for UDFA?
The DT/NT in the fourth instead of IOL is the only one sticking in my craw for now. But it was a need.
It's more that this darft was perfectly suited to fill a glaring need and we did dookie to take advantage.
It's that our primary goal should be to keep our QB upright and we are putting faith in old and/or oft-injured guys to do the heavy lifting with little support or future planning.
It's that we already have a crowded CB room full of young talent and we spent two picks to add more to the room.
It's that we don't seem to be preparing for the future. We cannot continue to rely on FA to produce starting caliber players. Eventually they get old, expensive, or both. When that happens, you need to have depth ready to go. Next year, we'll need OL line help still, but if the darft pool is not nearly as stacked, we'll end up having to reach to get guys of similar ability as were there this year.
Maybe it would have sucked less if we put any resources toward improving the IOL. It may be unfounded, but one of my peeves is that we made no movement on any of day 2 or 3. Maybe we had a plan and the guys we targeted just so happened to fit where we picked, but it seemed to me that the approach was bordering on apathy. It's one of those, "It's ok, but it could have been so much better" types of feelings. I'm hopeful that the guys we picked hit. I'm even more hopeful that not addressing IOL doesn't come back to bite them in the rump. I'm hopeful that my assessment is wrong, for the sake of the team, but I still can't help but be anxious.
So you’re a needs drafter, got it.
(05-02-2024, 10:11 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2024, 08:48 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]It's more that this darft was perfectly suited to fill a glaring need and we did dookie to take advantage.
It's that our primary goal should be to keep our QB upright and we are putting faith in old and/or oft-injured guys to do the heavy lifting with little support or future planning.
It's that we already have a crowded CB room full of young talent and we spent two picks to add more to the room.
It's that we don't seem to be preparing for the future. We cannot continue to rely on FA to produce starting caliber players. Eventually they get old, expensive, or both. When that happens, you need to have depth ready to go. Next year, we'll need OL line help still, but if the darft pool is not nearly as stacked, we'll end up having to reach to get guys of similar ability as were there this year.
Maybe it would have sucked less if we put any resources toward improving the IOL. It may be unfounded, but one of my peeves is that we made no movement on any of day 2 or 3. Maybe we had a plan and the guys we targeted just so happened to fit where we picked, but it seemed to me that the approach was bordering on apathy. It's one of those, "It's ok, but it could have been so much better" types of feelings. I'm hopeful that the guys we picked hit. I'm even more hopeful that not addressing IOL doesn't come back to bite them in the rump. I'm hopeful that my assessment is wrong, for the sake of the team, but I still can't help but be anxious.
So you’re a needs drafter, got it.
No. This draft was a perfect scenario where needs met value.
Instead of taking a DT who will be 5th (maybe lower) on your depth chart who is limited to just being a NT, you take Bortolini and McCormick to help the OL for the present and future. They both have G/C flexibility.
I'm pulling for all these dudes but I would have done something different in almost every round except the 1st. That means nothing obviously but it's fun to talk about.
(05-01-2024, 01:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]90% of this fanbase and local media are convinced that Baalke and Pederson are terrible drafters.
YOU MAKE THE CALL --- The 2nd and 3rd rounds are critical to building a solid team. Look at what Baalke has historically done in the 2nd and 3rd rounds
Year Rnd Player [BLEEP] Games
Jags
2024 2 Maason Smith DT
2024 3 Jarrian Jones DB
2023 2 Brenton Strange TE 14
2023 3 Tank Bigsby RB 17
2022 1 Devin Lloyd LB 32 (trade up 2nd, 4th, 6th)
2022 3 Luke Fortner G 34
2022 3 Chad Muma LB 33
2021 2 Tyson Campbell DB 43
2021 2 Walker Little T 40
2021 3 Andre Cisco DB 47
49ers
2016 3 Will Redmond CB 37
2015 2 Jaquiski Tartt S 80
2015 3 Eli Harold OLB 61
2014 2 Carlos Hyde RB 102
2014 3 Marcus Martin C 29
2014 3 Chris Borland LB 14
2014 3 Brandon Thomas OL 0
2013 2 Tank Carradine DE 46
2013 2 Vance McDonald TE 101
2013 3 Corey Lemonier DE 51
2012 2 LaMichael James RB 18
2011 2 Colin Kaepernick QB 69
2011 3 Chris Culliver DB 52
(05-02-2024, 10:11 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2024, 08:48 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]It's more that this darft was perfectly suited to fill a glaring need and we did dookie to take advantage.
It's that our primary goal should be to keep our QB upright and we are putting faith in old and/or oft-injured guys to do the heavy lifting with little support or future planning.
It's that we already have a crowded CB room full of young talent and we spent two picks to add more to the room.
It's that we don't seem to be preparing for the future. We cannot continue to rely on FA to produce starting caliber players. Eventually they get old, expensive, or both. When that happens, you need to have depth ready to go. Next year, we'll need OL line help still, but if the darft pool is not nearly as stacked, we'll end up having to reach to get guys of similar ability as were there this year.
Maybe it would have sucked less if we put any resources toward improving the IOL. It may be unfounded, but one of my peeves is that we made no movement on any of day 2 or 3. Maybe we had a plan and the guys we targeted just so happened to fit where we picked, but it seemed to me that the approach was bordering on apathy. It's one of those, "It's ok, but it could have been so much better" types of feelings. I'm hopeful that the guys we picked hit. I'm even more hopeful that not addressing IOL doesn't come back to bite them in the rump. I'm hopeful that my assessment is wrong, for the sake of the team, but I still can't help but be anxious.
So you’re a needs drafter, got it.
On the contrary. The value of IOL was skewed this draft because the class was unusually deep. We made no moves fit picks where value met need. So either we sat on our hands and relied on value to fall to our picks, or just took BPA on our board when our turn came up, or we gave zero farts about value or need and just targeted the guys we picked.
Are you trying to say that the guys we took where we took em represented such value that we woulda been foolish not to take them where we did, while continuing to leave the line practically unchanged in three days of picks? Were the IOL guys on the board when we picked that mediocre that choosing yet another reserve DB or a kick returner was that much more valuable to the improvement of our roster? It wasn't even just about IOL, either. Guys were sliding all over this draft, and may not be immediate need, but represented development potential. Depth today, but possibly starter in a year or two. Someone to save you from having to rely on overpriced FA when the current guys get pricey or old, or both. Were we truly taking best guys available?
(05-02-2024, 10:55 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2024, 01:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]90% of this fanbase and local media are convinced that Baalke and Pederson are terrible drafters.
YOU MAKE THE CALL --- The 2nd and 3rd rounds are critical to building a solid team. Look at what Baalke has historically done in the 2nd and 3rd rounds
Year Rnd Player [BLEEP] Games
Jags
2024 2 Maason Smith DT
2024 3 Jarrian Jones DB
2023 2 Brenton Strange TE 14
2023 3 Tank Bigsby RB 17
2022 1 Devin Lloyd LB 32 (trade up 2nd, 4th, 6th)
2022 3 Luke Fortner G 34
2022 3 Chad Muma LB 33
2021 2 Tyson Campbell DB 43
2021 2 Walker Little T 40
2021 3 Andre Cisco DB 47
49ers
2016 3 Will Redmond CB 37
2015 2 Jaquiski Tartt S 80
2015 3 Eli Harold OLB 61
2014 2 Carlos Hyde RB 102
2014 3 Marcus Martin C 29
2014 3 Chris Borland LB 14
2014 3 Brandon Thomas OL 0
2013 2 Tank Carradine DE 46
2013 2 Vance McDonald TE 101
2013 3 Corey Lemonier DE 51
2012 2 LaMichael James RB 18
2011 2 Colin Kaepernick QB 69
2011 3 Chris Culliver DB 52
You didn't get the memo? You're not allowed to use his time in SF.....
(05-02-2024, 10:22 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2024, 10:11 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]So you’re a needs drafter, got it.
No. This draft was a perfect scenario where needs met value.
Instead of taking a DT who will be 5th (maybe lower) on your depth chart who is limited to just being a NT, you take Bortolini and McCormick to help the OL for the present and future. They both have G/C flexibility.
I'm pulling for all these dudes but I would have done something different in almost every round except the 1st. That means nothing obviously but it's fun to talk about.
Had they taken one of those guards, I would have felt great about this class. They will need someone to replace Scherff after this season and both those guys look like very good prospects who could have done that after one year of development. Jefferson may turn out to be a good pick, however, since he can turn into a very good nose tackle due to his size and strength. The coaches obviously have a lot of confidence that Cleveland and Scherff can do a more than adequate job, especially when having Morse at center.
It would be a huge bonus if Jones makes the roster as an undrafted free agent and is able to compete for a starting role after a year of development. Realistically, that is unlikely to happen or someone would have drafted him.
(05-02-2024, 10:55 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2024, 01:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]90% of this fanbase and local media are convinced that Baalke and Pederson are terrible drafters.
YOU MAKE THE CALL --- The 2nd and 3rd rounds are critical to building a solid team. Look at what Baalke has historically done in the 2nd and 3rd rounds
Year Rnd Player [BLEEP] Games
Jags
2024 2 Maason Smith DT
2024 3 Jarrian Jones DB
2023 2 Brenton Strange TE 14
2023 3 Tank Bigsby RB 17
2022 1 Devin Lloyd LB 32 (trade up 2nd, 4th, 6th)
2022 3 Luke Fortner G 34
2022 3 Chad Muma LB 33
2021 2 Tyson Campbell DB 43
2021 2 Walker Little T 40
2021 3 Andre Cisco DB 47
49ers
2016 3 Will Redmond CB 37
2015 2 Jaquiski Tartt S 80
2015 3 Eli Harold OLB 61
2014 2 Carlos Hyde RB 102
2014 3 Marcus Martin C 29
2014 3 Chris Borland LB 14
2014 3 Brandon Thomas OL 0
2013 2 Tank Carradine DE 46
2013 2 Vance McDonald TE 101
2013 3 Corey Lemonier DE 51
2012 2 LaMichael James RB 18
2011 2 Colin Kaepernick QB 69
2011 3 Chris Culliver DB 52
I can look at this in fairness. From his tenure with the 49ers as well. Some of those guys he drafted with the 49ers were decent players for awhile. Hate him or love him. Kapernick was basically LaMar Jackson before he came into the NFL and he had some crazy play-off games against the Packers where he ran all over them. He also did beat the Patriots with a Tom Brady in his prime in a duel in the snow. He also at least made one Superbowl appearance before he went full woke.
Chris Borland retired early but at one point he was poised for good things. I think concussions scared him off. Hyde was okay. Carradine was a role player that couldn't stay healthy. McDonald was a decent TE and a good role player. Rest of that group is underwhelming. Woefully underwhelming. But, again, as a whole? His tenure with the 49ers and Harbaugh were good for awhile.
With what he did here. Again, Campbell, Little and Cisco are good football players. Little being a disappointment in that he's failed now solidifying a full time starting job on this offensive line going into year four. Campbell and Cisco I think you get them extended this year for sure. Muma and Fortner are wasted picks in my opinion. I don't mind the Lloyd selection. I think Lloyd is fixing to breakout massively in year three personally.
Jury out on Bigsby and Strange in year two. I expect them to combine for a minimum of 1,000 yards of total offense between the two of them though at the minimum. They have to make an impact and find their roles and clearly define them with play out on the football field. Bigsby's goal should be ball security and seeing a hole and sticking to it. Strange's goal should be mental discipline and cutting back on holding calls and false starts.
I think Maason Smith and Jarrian Jones will catch on quickly as rookies though and surprise people. I think Baalke's a better drafter on the defensive side of things Vs. the offensive side of things and I liked what I saw watching Jones at FSU last year and on the highlight reel. Maason Smith could be a really good pass rushing rotational piece as a rookie this year. Again, 20+ pressures last year and 7th amongst DT's in total pressures.
That should not be taken lightly for a guy that worked his way back since his freshman year from back-to-back injuries.