(07-19-2024, 10:05 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2024, 02:30 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]So in reference to the question, there is nothing Biden has done to earn a vote.
Yes, but it is not the President's job to make the economy "good."
The government is supposed to manage some things on the margin of the economy, like social safety net when workers get laid of or become disabled. Then they oversee workplace safety, they punish fraud, they punish workplace discrimination.
Most workers have no interaction with these things at all most of the time.
Because as far as producing value and earning money off of it, that is entirely up to the private sector.
The President gets too much credit when the economy is good and too much blame when it is
Mike, the question was “What has Biden done to earn my vote”. The OP took certain answers off the table, this being one of them. In fact if you delve into your reply and compare that to what Biden has done, he clearly caused inflation to shoot through the roof by his all out attack on fossil fuels.
(07-18-2024, 01:40 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You're "inviting Democrats to school you," but there are no Democrats on this message board. It is 80% pro-Trump Republicans, 10% anti-Trump Republicans, 5% libertarian, and 5% pure troll.
More lion in this statement than you would find at the circus.
(07-19-2024, 10:20 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 10:05 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but it is not the President's job to make the economy "good."
The government is supposed to manage some things on the margin of the economy, like social safety net when workers get laid of or become disabled. Then they oversee workplace safety, they punish fraud, they punish workplace discrimination.
Most workers have no interaction with these things at all most of the time.
Because as far as producing value and earning money off of it, that is entirely up to the private sector.
The President gets too much credit when the economy is good and too much blame when it is
Mike, the question was “What has Biden done to earn my vote”. The OP took certain answers off the table, this being one of them. In fact if you delve into your reply and compare that to what Biden has done, he clearly caused inflation to shoot through the roof by his all out attack on fossil fuels.
The catalyst for starting the inflation was extra money sent out to consumers under the two COVID relief bills.
The inflation was self-sustaining once it started because the money supply in general has gotten so huge with over a decade of high national debt.
The inflation got under control with increased interest rates.
This stuff about fossil fuels has a smaller impact on inflation, and not all of it can be controlled by the President. The main reason natural gas and gasoline prices went up was global demand growing. US demand and US supply didn't change much.
(07-19-2024, 10:19 AM)MyBloodIsTeal Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 10:05 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but it is not the President's job to make the economy "good."
The government is supposed to manage some things on the margin of the economy, like social safety net when workers get laid of or become disabled. Then they oversee workplace safety, they punish fraud, they punish workplace discrimination.
Most workers have no interaction with these things at all most of the time.
Because as far as producing value and earning money off of it, that is entirely up to the private sector.
The President gets too much credit when the economy is good and too much blame when it is bad
The government has a huge hand on the scales of the economy. Regulations and policy regarding domestic energy, EPA requirements, permitting and licensing, minimum wage laws, OSHA, taxation, trade agreements. The list goes on and on and on. Some of these policies are great, others are very burdensome. The amount of hoops to be jumped through and shifting goal posts are ridiculous.
Sure that's all true but the government role is still much smaller than the private sector role.
(07-19-2024, 10:05 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2024, 02:30 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]So in reference to the question, there is nothing Biden has done to earn a vote.
Yes, but it is not the President's job to make the economy "good."
The government is supposed to manage some things on the margin of the economy, like social safety net when workers get laid of or become disabled. Then they oversee workplace safety, they punish fraud, they punish workplace discrimination.
Most workers have no interaction with these things at all most of the time.
Because as far as producing value and earning money off of it, that is entirely up to the private sector.
The President gets too much credit when the economy is good and too much blame when it is bad
While I agree generally, in the case of the lions share of this inflation I differ. Once taking office whether it was ego, the green plan etc. the Biden administration attacked the use of fossil fuels. I do not know if they fully understood the impact of their actions. They moved us away from being energy independent and reversed all Trump energy policies. This reduced domestic production and drove the price of oil up. It is not a coincidence that inflation peaked at the same time the price of diesel did. Shortly after that moment the administration began a loosening process. The price of oil came down and with it inflation. Of course this made quite a few liberal groups upset which was reported in the news. In this case the Biden administration's management of "things" failed horribly, the word safe and orderly transition must not be in their vocabulary. I suspect since many of these individuals have never run a business they do not quite understand how this is done or the impacts currently of energy prices on costs.
DEI is just another form of discrimination. Before you go all haywire let's examine the definition.
Discrimination is the process of making unfair or prejudicial distinctions between people based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they belong or are perceived to belong, such as race, gender, age, religion, physical attractiveness or sexual orientation.
You cannot eliminate discrimination by creating more of it. That is what DEI in it's current form does, just that. To enable more females to join the secret service the height requirements were eliminated. Additionally, there are lower physical requirements for only women. Just look at the different requirements link attached. So this current administration is by definition enabling discrimination? I thought they were suppose to punish it?
https://www.secretservice.gov/careers/te...-standards
(07-19-2024, 10:59 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 10:05 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but it is not the President's job to make the economy "good."
The government is supposed to manage some things on the margin of the economy, like social safety net when workers get laid of or become disabled. Then they oversee workplace safety, they punish fraud, they punish workplace discrimination.
Most workers have no interaction with these things at all most of the time.
Because as far as producing value and earning money off of it, that is entirely up to the private sector.
The President gets too much credit when the economy is good and too much blame when it is bad
While I agree generally, in the case of the lions share of this inflation I differ. Once taking office whether it was ego, the green plan etc. the Biden administration attacked the use of fossil fuels. I do not know if they fully understood the impact of their actions. They moved us away from being energy independent and reversed all Trump energy policies. This reduced domestic production and drove the price of oil up. It is not a coincidence that inflation peaked at the same time the price of diesel did. Shortly after that moment the administration began a loosening process. The price of oil came down and with it inflation. Of course this made quite a few liberal groups upset which was reported in the news. In this case the Biden administration's management of "things" failed horribly, the word safe and orderly transition must not be in their vocabulary. I suspect since many of these individuals have never run a business they do not quite understand how this is done or the impacts currently of energy prices on costs.
DEI is just another form of discrimination. Before you go all haywire let's examine the definition.
Discrimination is the process of making unfair or prejudicial distinctions between people based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they belong or are perceived to belong, such as race, gender, age, religion, physical attractiveness or sexual orientation.
You cannot eliminate discrimination by creating more of it. That is what DEI in it's current form does, just that. To enable more females to join the secret service the height requirements were eliminated. Additionally, there are lower physical requirements for only women. Just look at the different requirements link attached. So this current administration is by definition enabling discrimination? I thought they were suppose to punish it?
https://www.secretservice.gov/careers/te...-standards
I am not saying that the Biden administration is handling its job well.
They need to punish and prevent discrimination, and that's good, but I do agree with you that some of what they're doing in this area is overzealous, counterproductive, and bad.
I am only saying that them addressing discrimination is a big part of what they do, but it's a small part of the overall activity in the economy.
(07-19-2024, 11:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 11:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I am not saying that the Biden administration is handling it's job well.
They need to punish and prevent discrimination, and that's good, but I do agree with you that some of what they're doing in this area is overzealous, counterproductive, and bad.
I am only saying that them addressing discrimination is a big part of what they do, but it's a small part of the overall activity in the economy.
Why?
It is self evident. You explain why not if you wish.
(07-19-2024, 11:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 10:59 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]While I agree generally, in the case of the lions share of this inflation I differ. Once taking office whether it was ego, the green plan etc. the Biden administration attacked the use of fossil fuels. I do not know if they fully understood the impact of their actions. They moved us away from being energy independent and reversed all Trump energy policies. This reduced domestic production and drove the price of oil up. It is not a coincidence that inflation peaked at the same time the price of diesel did. Shortly after that moment the administration began a loosening process. The price of oil came down and with it inflation. Of course this made quite a few liberal groups upset which was reported in the news. In this case the Biden administration's management of "things" failed horribly, the word safe and orderly transition must not be in their vocabulary. I suspect since many of these individuals have never run a business they do not quite understand how this is done or the impacts currently of energy prices on costs.
DEI is just another form of discrimination. Before you go all haywire let's examine the definition.
Discrimination is the process of making unfair or prejudicial distinctions between people based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they belong or are perceived to belong, such as race, gender, age, religion, physical attractiveness or sexual orientation.
You cannot eliminate discrimination by creating more of it. That is what DEI in it's current form does, just that. To enable more females to join the secret service the height requirements were eliminated. Additionally, there are lower physical requirements for only women. Just look at the different requirements link attached. So this current administration is by definition enabling discrimination? I thought they were suppose to punish it?
https://www.secretservice.gov/careers/te...-standards
I am not saying that the Biden administration is handling its job well.
They need to punish and prevent discrimination, and that's good, but I do agree with you that some of what they're doing in this area is overzealous, counterproductive, and bad.
I am only saying that them addressing discrimination is a big part of what they do, but it's a small part of the overall activity in the economy.
The problem is, they tend to do the opposite of punishing and preventing discrimination.
(07-19-2024, 11:42 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 11:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Why?
It is self evident. You explain why not if you wish.
The only thing that's self-evident about it is that it's my business and it's none of anyone else's business how I run it. That people like you invite the government into your lives is why we have all the problems we do.
(07-19-2024, 11:42 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 11:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Why?
It is self evident. You explain why not if you wish.
Hey now. It is up to you to explain your belief, not his. Why is it self evident to you? You require us to provide detail and explain ourselves but refuse to do the same? That my friend is a one way street. You are better than that. I'll await your response.
(07-19-2024, 11:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 11:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I am not saying that the Biden administration is handling its job well.
They need to punish and prevent discrimination, and that's good, but I do agree with you that some of what they're doing in this area is overzealous, counterproductive, and bad.
I am only saying that them addressing discrimination is a big part of what they do, but it's a small part of the overall activity in the economy.
The problem is, they tend to do the opposite of punishing and preventing discrimination.
Their policies actually help create a dependency which in turn just punishes the very community they pander towards for their votes. Inflation impacts everybody. It especially impacts the already downtrodden, disenfranchised communities.
This then leads to an increase of crime out of desperation which tends to have the common denominator of being "I am [BLEEP] broke financially and need to eat" and thus, discrimination from the "Just roll up your sleeves and pull yourself up by your bootstraps" crowd becomes a focal point.
The left preaches about a system of oppression, and yet, they have some of the most oppressed cities and communities within their control and power to change that at a local level and they do nothing with it. Often times, you find them rolling around in misused and mismanaged funds instead of doing what needs to be done.
I just about hate more than 50% of the bleeding heart liberal and Democratic base for this belief alone and ideology. "The White Savior" complex. They have done more harm than actual good. Teach them how to fish. Stop giving them fish.
Also, for clarification, since the topic is about Democrats with the thread title.
I am an Independent. I am 36 years old. I have never voted for a Democrat. I have, in the past, leaned towards and voted for the likes of Ron Paul, who was the first candidate I ever voted for. I then proceeded to lose faith in our Government after the financial collapse of 2008, followed by more War, division and Obama's puppet master's being leaked.
For awhile, didn't care to vote. I then proceeded to write other candidate's names down. I honestly want to see a legitimate third party come to life in this country and I want to see the death of the Democratic and Republican party. As I feel both are deeply compromised, deeply rooted and in bed with Globalist's and they truly have very little, if not, no interest in keeping the American citizen and tax payer a priority as a whole.
The corrosion of the middle class, essentially, what was left of the American Dream? It's all but gone or will be gone at this rate. I am more than likely going to vote Trump this time. However, if a candidate arises from either side that speaks the right things, has the right policies and actually seems viable? I will consider them in the future.
I can tell you now, at the moment, not really a fan of the people Trump is surrounding himself with this time around. I don't expect Geopolitical things to improve too much, nor, much of the wall being done, etc.
However, if the man can get the economy back to where it was pre-Covid 19? I'll take it.
(07-19-2024, 12:07 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 11:42 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It is self evident. You explain why not if you wish.
Hey now. It is up to you to explain your belief, not his. Why is it self evident to you? You require us to provide detail and explain ourselves but refuse to do the same? That my friend is a one way street. You are better than that. I'll await your response.
You clearly haven't dealt with him enough or you'd know better.
(07-19-2024, 12:07 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 11:42 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It is self evident. You explain why not if you wish.
Hey now. It is up to you to explain your belief, not his. Why is it self evident to you? You require us to provide detail and explain ourselves but refuse to do the same? That my friend is a one way street. You are better than that. I'll await your response.
Jefferson didn't explain how he knew all men were created equal.
If you want to argue in favor of allowing blatant discrimination, you do you!
Can we bring back the negative reputation?
(07-21-2024, 09:34 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Can we bring back the negative reputation?
Love to, but a certain person whinged about it so he could feel better about his [BLEEP] posting.
(07-21-2024, 09:03 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-19-2024, 12:07 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey now. It is up to you to explain your belief, not his. Why is it self evident to you? You require us to provide detail and explain ourselves but refuse to do the same? That my friend is a one way street. You are better than that. I'll await your response.
Jefferson didn't explain how he knew all men were created equal.
If you want to argue in favor of allowing blatant discrimination, you do you!
"Allow"? No one should have that kind of control over other people. Tyranny for "good" is still just tyranny.
I was half kidding, but it would be nice to be able to smite a person that equivocates their sophistry with Jefferson.
I honestly think if they brought back the negative review, I'd have less to say to a certain few people here. I'd just drop my review and carry on. Can't do that anymore so I just go above and beyond and remind certain people about themselves..
This is 2024. Bill Buckley is dead. The National Review magazine has changed hands multiple times. We don't have to let Buckley define conservative values. We don't have to show any deference. We know he was sincerely in favor of racism and segregation and all his "limited government" and "conservative" talk he put out in the 50s and 60s was more of a means to an end. Let the dead argue with the dead.
It is best when there is no blatant discrimination in the first place, but in a world where blatant discrimination exists, that world becomes a better place when the blatant discrimination is punished. The government is legitimately part of that. It is self evident and borne out by experience.
(07-21-2024, 10:09 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly think if they brought back the negative review, I'd have less to say to a certain few people here. I'd just drop my review and carry on. Can't do that anymore so I just go above and beyond and remind certain people about themselves..
And that's exactly why it isn't here anymore.
If you can't explain why you think someone's wrong, you're either lazy, dumb, or wrong yourself.
That boot must be delicious.