(08-14-2024, 04:15 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 12:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/_John_Shipley/status/1823740800938992002
BTJ having a great practice. WR1
Good to see. Though, I won't be surprised if he starts the year slow still. I'm sure they are forcing opportunities his way right now to get him all the live reps they can, but when defenses start game planning, he's going to have to figure out how to understand and over come coverages and that will take a little bit of time.
Even if the ball isn't going his way very often early on, it's not going to take long for teams to be well aware of his speed/presence and they will have to gameplan and adjust for it. Him just being on the field is going to open up a lot of things for everybody else on the Offense.
(08-14-2024, 01:05 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 12:39 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]‘What can I say guys? The entire draft class of offensive linemen had short arms. Pretty weird, huh?’
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(08-14-2024, 12:56 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]If the O line is complete cheeks again I think it’s time for a coaching change. Whatever rauschner is teaching clearly isn’t working.
Four years into Lawrence's career here, and, it's still a topic. It's pretty concerning that Khan has not tried doing something more about it. Or, maybe he has. I am not sure.
However, this unit cannot seem to even crack the middle of the pack ranking and performance wise and is often left scraping by barely to finish in the mid to high 20's. If not... worse.
Something better give if we see another [BLEEP] collapse in 2024. They entertained Spielman two years ago for a VP role. Khan should consider this position again. Would love to pry Ozzie Newsome away from Baltimore or some big brain scout or personnel man that's known for finding quality offensive lineman.
You don't want owners getting involved in personnel stuff like that. Plus he is not a football guy. He has hired football people to make those types of decisions and then chooses to evaluate their results.
The only complaint regarding Khan is that he leans way more towards "stability" and giving coaches/GM/FO people extra chances/time before letting them go. It very much appears to be how he ran his previous businesses, but it is atypical with current sports business so it can come off as disinterested, slow, or incompetent. Honestly that has been his biggest fatal flaw, and he can eventually learn that.
(08-14-2024, 04:40 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 01:05 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Four years into Lawrence's career here, and, it's still a topic. It's pretty concerning that Khan has not tried doing something more about it. Or, maybe he has. I am not sure.
However, this unit cannot seem to even crack the middle of the pack ranking and performance wise and is often left scraping by barely to finish in the mid to high 20's. If not... worse.
Something better give if we see another [BLEEP] collapse in 2024. They entertained Spielman two years ago for a VP role. Khan should consider this position again. Would love to pry Ozzie Newsome away from Baltimore or some big brain scout or personnel man that's known for finding quality offensive lineman.
You don't want owners getting involved in personnel stuff like that. Plus he is not a football guy. He has hired football people to make those types of decisions and then chooses to evaluate their results.
The only complaint regarding Khan is that he leans way more towards "stability" and giving coaches/GM/FO people extra chances/time before letting them go. It very much appears to be how he ran his previous businesses, but it is atypical with current sports business so it can come off as disinterested, slow, or incompetent. Honestly that has been his biggest fatal flaw, and he can eventually learn that.
I agree with that. That's why I proceeded to mention that he should consider going back to the VP route he took in 2016/2017 with Tom Coughlin.
We seem to lack a strong football head of operations that can bind the two together, between the personnel department and coaching staff. A mind such as Ozzie Newsome's, hell, give me Bill Belichick in that role if no team wants him as a football coach.
But, somebody that's been around football forever, has a proven track record in a wide variety of roles, knows talent when they see it, and, can make final decisions that outweigh the GM or HC if they find it necessary.
The reason I mentioned Khan, is, he's just invested in Lawrence for the long haul with a pretty big contract extension, and, he's fixing to fork over some more of his money to get this new stadium done within this decade.
Protecting and doing anything and everything you can to elevate the face of your franchise? That has to be his highest priority, even as a businessman, he has to know that, he has to see that. He's not dumb...
(08-14-2024, 04:15 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 12:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/_John_Shipley/status/1823740800938992002
BTJ having a great practice. WR1
Good to see. Though, I won't be surprised if he starts the year slow still. I'm sure they are forcing opportunities his way right now to get him all the live reps they can, but when defenses start gameplanning, he's going to have to figure out how to understand and overcome coverages and that will take a little bit of time.
If teams have to start game planning for our rookie WR that's a good "problem" to have. It wouldn't shock me either but it could open things up for some of the others. I think BTJ will get his and improve as the season goes on.
Is kind of nostalgic isn't it hearing how trash out oline is for yet another year
Nothing will annoy me more than watching Trevor struggle due to bad o-line play. I take that back. Reading hot garbage takes about Trevor is bad and shouldn't have been drafted will annoy me more, but not by much.
I heard Cleveland was so bad today they took him out and put in Hance and Ezra wasn't hurt
(08-14-2024, 04:59 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 04:40 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]You don't want owners getting involved in personnel stuff like that. Plus he is not a football guy. He has hired football people to make those types of decisions and then chooses to evaluate their results.
The only complaint regarding Khan is that he leans way more towards "stability" and giving coaches/GM/FO people extra chances/time before letting them go. It very much appears to be how he ran his previous businesses, but it is atypical with current sports business so it can come off as disinterested, slow, or incompetent. Honestly that has been his biggest fatal flaw, and he can eventually learn that.
I agree with that. That's why I proceeded to mention that he should consider going back to the VP route he took in 2016/2017 with Tom Coughlin.
We seem to lack a strong football head of operations that can bind the two together, between the personnel department and coaching staff. A mind such as Ozzie Newsome's, hell, give me Bill Belichick in that role if no team wants him as a football coach.
But, somebody that's been around football forever, has a proven track record in a wide variety of roles, knows talent when they see it, and, can make final decisions that outweigh the GM or HC if they find it necessary.
The reason I mentioned Khan, is, he's just invested in Lawrence for the long haul with a pretty big contract extension, and, he's fixing to fork over some more of his money to get this new stadium done within this decade.
Protecting and doing anything and everything you can to elevate the face of your franchise? That has to be his highest priority, even as a businessman, he has to know that, he has to see that. He's not dumb...
Gotcha. I misread the tone. I agree with all that, especially the VP role. Another interesting option for the VP role could be Pete Carroll.
Unless something improves with the O line soon, it's going to be a disappointing and injury riddled (Lawrence) season.
Shad Khan laid out $275M for a QB but allows a brain-dead GM to leave him unprotected for yet another season. It's baffling.
Might be a long season. Banking on the idea that all we needed was a replacement at center and when healthy everyone else being really good was a bit of a gamble. First can't predict the health part and second no guarantee they're all that good when healthy. Not like we had to give up much to get Cleveland.
(08-14-2024, 05:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 04:15 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Good to see. Though, I won't be surprised if he starts the year slow still. I'm sure they are forcing opportunities his way right now to get him all the live reps they can, but when defenses start gameplanning, he's going to have to figure out how to understand and overcome coverages and that will take a little bit of time.
If teams have to start game planning for our rookie WR that's a good "problem" to have. It wouldn't shock me either but it could open things up for some of the others. I think BTJ will get his and improve as the season goes on.
I think that is the main hope. That all our guys fit their roles to allow of them to exceed expectations -- Live Together; Die Alone.
(08-14-2024, 06:13 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Might be a long season. Banking on the idea that all we needed was a replacement at center and when healthy everyone else being really good was a bit of a gamble. First can't predict the health part and second no guarantee they're all that good when healthy. Not like we had to give up much to get Cleveland.
Cleveland was available last year because he was hurt. He is now supposed to be healthy.
Also they didn't just do nothing beside signing Morse. They were expecting development of Anton Harrison as a 2nd year, and apparently some development from Hodges and possibly Little. Internal scouting is often more important than outside scouting.
Plus it's not like they had a lot of salary cap room to work with to bring in more than Morse, especially since they had to sign a guy like Gabe Thomas in case they weren't able to draft a guy like BTJ.
(08-14-2024, 06:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Unless something improves with the O line soon, it's going to be a disappointing and injury riddled (Lawrence) season.
Shad Khan laid out $275M for a QB but allows a brain-dead GM to leave him unprotected for yet another season. It's baffling.
I’m am no Baalke supporter, but why does this all fall on him? I thought Pederson was supposed to have equal say on the roster.
(08-14-2024, 06:20 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 06:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Unless something improves with the O line soon, it's going to be a disappointing and injury riddled (Lawrence) season.
Shad Khan laid out $275M for a QB but allows a brain-dead GM to leave him unprotected for yet another season. It's baffling.
I’m am no Baalke supporter, but why does this all fall on him? I thought Pederson was supposed to have equal say on the roster.
Does a HC really have as much control as the GM? My understanding of hierarchy in a FO says no, but I could be wrong. As GM, it's his job to take responsibility for roster picks and address deficiencies, with input from the HC.
If Pederson does have equal say, then yes, he deserves a swift kick in the nuts as much as Baalke. Sometimes I wish Khan would channel his inner Jerrah when needed. I'm sure he has one because a person doesn't get to be a self-made billionaire industrialist without it.
(08-14-2024, 06:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 06:20 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I’m am no Baalke supporter, but why does this all fall on him? I thought Pederson was supposed to have equal say on the roster.
Does a HC really have as much control as the GM? My understanding of hierarchy in a FO says no, but I could be wrong. As GM, it's his job to take responsibility for roster picks and address deficiencies, with input from the HC.
If Pederson does have equal say, then yes, he deserves a swift kick in the nuts as much as Baalke. Sometimes I wish Khan would channel his inner Jerrah when needed. I'm sure he has one because a person doesn't get to be a self-made billionaire industrialist without it.
And what has that gotten Jones? They have as many championships as the Jaguars have in the last 30 years…zero.
(08-14-2024, 06:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 06:20 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I’m am no Baalke supporter, but why does this all fall on him? I thought Pederson was supposed to have equal say on the roster.
Does a HC really have as much control as the GM? My understanding of hierarchy in a FO says no, but I could be wrong. As GM, it's his job to take responsibility for roster picks and address deficiencies, with input from the HC.
If Pederson does have equal say, then yes, he deserves a swift kick in the nuts as much as Baalke. Sometimes I wish Khan would channel his inner Jerrah when needed. I'm sure he has one because a person doesn't get to be a self-made billionaire industrialist without it.
The idea that Doug has equal input to Baalke is ridiculous.
Doug's main job is coaching the team, Trent's main job is supposed to be talent evaluation and roster building.
If a team is doing things right then there isn't enough time for one guy to do both jobs well. Some teams have a coach that is supposed to be GM, too, but they still have a different guy actually doing the main work of evaluating players and the coach just picks guys from the lists of players the player evaluation guy provides.
(08-14-2024, 07:53 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 06:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Does a HC really have as much control as the GM? My understanding of hierarchy in a FO says no, but I could be wrong. As GM, it's his job to take responsibility for roster picks and address deficiencies, with input from the HC.
If Pederson does have equal say, then yes, he deserves a swift kick in the nuts as much as Baalke. Sometimes I wish Khan would channel his inner Jerrah when needed. I'm sure he has one because a person doesn't get to be a self-made billionaire industrialist without it.
The idea that Doug has equal input to Baalke is ridiculous.
Doug's main job is coaching the team, Trent's main job is supposed to be talent evaluation and roster building.
If a team is doing things right then there isn't enough time for one guy to do both jobs well. Some teams have a coach that is supposed to be GM, too, but they still have a different guy actually doing the main work of evaluating players and the coach just picks guys from the lists of players the player evaluation guy provides.
So the DOES have input on who to draft.
Thanks for clarifying.
(08-14-2024, 08:07 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 07:53 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The idea that Doug has equal input to Baalke is ridiculous.
Doug's main job is coaching the team, Trent's main job is supposed to be talent evaluation and roster building.
If a team is doing things right then there isn't enough time for one guy to do both jobs well. Some teams have a coach that is supposed to be GM, too, but they still have a different guy actually doing the main work of evaluating players and the coach just picks guys from the lists of players the player evaluation guy provides.
So the DOES have input on who to draft.
Thanks for clarifying.
Supposedly.
If I had to guess it's probably something like Doug says, "we need some offensive linemen, Trent, any good ones in this draft?" To which Trent answers, "nope, only tight ends and running backs graded high left on the board."
Doug then proceeds to pick strange and bigsby.
(08-14-2024, 06:20 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 06:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Unless something improves with the O line soon, it's going to be a disappointing and injury riddled (Lawrence) season.
Shad Khan laid out $275M for a QB but allows a brain-dead GM to leave him unprotected for yet another season. It's baffling.
I’m am no Baalke supporter, but why does this all fall on him? I thought Pederson was supposed to have equal say on the roster.
Traditionally Baalke would be in charge of how much "say" Pederson has...and at the end of the day there is not such thing as "equal" say; sooner or later it's going to come down to option A or B. Whomever decides that option is the one with final say. IMO it should be the GM, I've seen way to many cases of Head Coaches getting control of the roster then ruining the franchise.