I just saw what route we were trying to hit on that play which resulted in a safety. A double move out and Up. No chip on Myles Garrett. No tEs for assistance, 10 personnel 4 wide. Nothing but base pass pro here ya go cam Robinson.
That tells you everything you need to know about this clown show calling plays right now.
If the OL could simply hold their blocks for 5 or 6 seconds, these plays could work.
(09-16-2024, 02:12 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]If the OL could simply hold their blocks for 5 or 6 seconds, these plays could work.
To be clear… I have no issue with even trying to take a shot here … the play absolutely could have worked…
My issue is if we are going to take a shot.. a developing play that requires for Lawerence to hold on the ball… for goodness sake bring in another body or two to help with protection!
We are on our own 2 yard line!
They know we have to pass so they are pinning their ears back!
Our O line in general is not consistent in pass pro and at times downright awful!
We are playing against some of the best pass rushers in the NFL!!!
I mean It’s kind of a DUHH moment isn’t it ?
Or at least have ONE safety valve dump off pass in the flat or a dig or something
(09-16-2024, 01:37 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]I just saw what route we were trying to hit on that play which resulted in a safety. A double move out and Up. No chip on Myles Garrett. No tEs for assistance, 10 personnel 4 wide. Nothing but base pass pro here ya go cam Robinson.
That tells you everything you need to know about this clown show calling plays right now.
I mean - the fact we can't get 2 seconds of protection from our tackles vs Garrett is the problem, but I would like to see a RB or TE there to help in that situation.
(09-16-2024, 02:19 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Or at least have ONE safety valve dump off pass in the flat or a dig or something
ETN went to the right flat on a Wheel route, Trevor was looking left then flushed.
(09-16-2024, 02:12 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]If the OL could simply hold their blocks for 5 or 6 seconds, these plays could work.
He doesn't need that much, he needs the same as what the other QBs get and he's consistently gotten less for the last two seasons.
(09-16-2024, 02:15 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-16-2024, 02:12 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]If the OL could simply hold their blocks for 5 or 6 seconds, these plays could work.
To be clear… I have no issue with even trying to take a shot here … the play absolutely could have worked…
My issue is if we are going to take a shot.. a developing play that requires for Lawerence to hold on the ball… for goodness sake bring in another body or two to help with protection!
We are on our own 2 yard line!
They know we have to pass so they are pinning their ears back!
Our O line in general is not consistent in pass pro and at times downright awful!
We are playing against some of the best pass rushers in the NFL!!!
I mean It’s kind of a DUHH moment isn’t it ?
Then your play down the field has 1 or 2 fewer targets and multiple receivers get double teamed. For every decision there's a consequence.
Imagine you are Cam in the huddle when that play was called....
Imagine a fan base so myopic that they blame Cam Robinson for a safety created by Alex Wright, the one man out of 4 browns rushers who was actually double teamed by the line on the play.
(09-16-2024, 02:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-16-2024, 02:19 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Or at least have ONE safety valve dump off pass in the flat or a dig or something
ETN went to the right flat on a Wheel route, Trevor was looking left then flushed.
(09-16-2024, 02:12 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]If the OL could simply hold their blocks for 5 or 6 seconds, these plays could work.
He doesn't need that much, he needs the same as what the other QBs get and he's consistently gotten less for the last two seasons.
(09-16-2024, 02:15 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]To be clear… I have no issue with even trying to take a shot here … the play absolutely could have worked…
My issue is if we are going to take a shot.. a developing play that requires for Lawerence to hold on the ball… for goodness sake bring in another body or two to help with protection!
We are on our own 2 yard line!
They know we have to pass so they are pinning their ears back!
Our O line in general is not consistent in pass pro and at times downright awful!
We are playing against some of the best pass rushers in the NFL!!!
I mean It’s kind of a DUHH moment isn’t it ?
Then your play down the field has 1 or 2 fewer targets and multiple receivers get double teamed. For every decision there's a consequence.
I mean so be it! Take one of the receivers from the right side and make him a TE.
Or run it out of a different personnel grouping all together.
Or understand your personnel and call something not so long developing..
Who cares if the route design is good if you can’t protect it?!?
That’s what the coaches job is, understand your personnel and scheme up something we can execute. That’s why they get paid the big bucks.
The whole thing was just sad ...
and another back-breaker like the ETN fumble in Miami
(09-16-2024, 02:43 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-16-2024, 02:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]ETN went to the right flat on a Wheel route, Trevor was looking left then flushed.
He doesn't need that much, he needs the same as what the other QBs get and he's consistently gotten less for the last two seasons.
Then your play down the field has 1 or 2 fewer targets and multiple receivers get double teamed. For every decision there's a consequence.
I mean so be it! Take one of the receivers from the right side and make him a TE.
Or run it out of a different personnel grouping all together.
Or understand your personnel and call something not so long developing..
Who cares if the route design is good if you can’t protect it?!?
That’s what the coaches job is, understand your personnel and scheme up something we can execute. That’s why they get paid the big bucks.
And what does that blocker do to help with that safety play? The tackler beat the guard and center, no back or end is fixing that disaster.
(09-16-2024, 02:45 PM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ]The whole thing was just sad ...
and another back-breaker like the ETN fumble in Miami
To me it was the punt, it was just perfect and put us in a place we just can't succeed regardless of whose 1 yard line it is.
(09-16-2024, 02:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine a fan base so myopic that they blame Cam Robinson for a safety created by Alex Wright, the one man out of 4 browns rushers who was actually double teamed by the line on the play.
You are missing the point! Maybe it wouldn’t have helped one iota on that particular play because the sack came from the interior…
I can concur that players have to execute too.
But we were asking for something bad to happen in that kind of a situation because of that coaching decision / play call / play design whatever you want to call it!
I’m sure there are many more instances we can point to where we are not helping out our defecencies as an offense or taking advantage of our strengths.
Not to mention a sack down there you don’t get a second chance .. it’s a safety game over. No second down and try again!
(09-16-2024, 01:37 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]I just saw what route we were trying to hit on that play which resulted in a safety. A double move out and Up. No chip on Myles Garrett. No tEs for assistance, 10 personnel 4 wide. Nothing but base pass pro here ya go cam Robinson.
That tells you everything you need to know about this clown show calling plays right now.
Speaks to the ineptitude of the Play caller and coaching staff.
(09-16-2024, 02:54 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (09-16-2024, 01:37 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]I just saw what route we were trying to hit on that play which resulted in a safety. A double move out and Up. No chip on Myles Garrett. No tEs for assistance, 10 personnel 4 wide. Nothing but base pass pro here ya go cam Robinson.
That tells you everything you need to know about this clown show calling plays right now.
Speaks to the ineptitude of the Play caller and coaching staff.
And who is the play caller these days?
Doug to Press to TL?
Press to Doug back to Press to TL?
2 Delay of Game penalties it's not going direct
(09-16-2024, 02:49 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-16-2024, 02:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine a fan base so myopic that they blame Cam Robinson for a safety created by Alex Wright, the one man out of 4 browns rushers who was actually double teamed by the line on the play.
You are missing the point! Maybe it wouldn’t have helped one iota on that particular play because the sack came from the interior…
I can concur that players have to execute too.
But we were asking for something bad to happen in that kind of a situation because of that coaching decision / play call / play design whatever you want to call it!
I’m sure there are many more instances we can point to where we are not helping out our defecencies as an offense or taking advantage of our strengths.
Not to mention a sack down there you don’t get a second chance .. it’s a safety game over. No second down and try again!
No, you're missing the point. This thread is about that one play. On that one play what you're claiming would've helped wouldn't have mattered. Robinson took Garrett around Lawrence out of the play, actually pretty well all things considered. Wright beat Cleveland with the swim and left him flat footed and then went right by Morse to Lawrence. What would've helped is if the two guys blocking the one guy had...blocked the one guy. That's it. That's the whole enchilada. They doubled a guy and he got the safety anyway. Had they kept a back or tight end in the formation they would've been looking the other way anyway because double team blocks AREN'T SUPPOSED TO FAIL IN 0.65 SECONDS.
(09-16-2024, 03:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-16-2024, 02:49 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]You are missing the point! Maybe it wouldn’t have helped one iota on that particular play because the sack came from the interior…
I can concur that players have to execute too.
But we were asking for something bad to happen in that kind of a situation because of that coaching decision / play call / play design whatever you want to call it!
I’m sure there are many more instances we can point to where we are not helping out our defecencies as an offense or taking advantage of our strengths.
Not to mention a sack down there you don’t get a second chance .. it’s a safety game over. No second down and try again!
No, you're missing the point. This thread is about that one play. On that one play what you're claiming would've helped wouldn't have mattered. Robinson took Garrett around Lawrence out of the play, actually pretty well all things considered. Wright beat Cleveland with the swim and left him flat footed and then went right by Morse to Lawrence. What would've helped is if the two guys blocking the one guy had...blocked the one guy. That's it. That's the whole enchilada. They doubled a guy and he got the safety anyway. Had they kept a back or tight end in the formation they would've been looking the other way anyway because double team blocks AREN'T SUPPOSED TO FAIL IN 0.65 SECONDS.
O brother. I can see that I’m only going to be talking to a brick wall here… ok sportsgod… you win the argument.. I’ll go ahead and direct my comments to people who actually seem to understand that I’m referencing the bigger picture here through this particular play and not just the play itself.
That's a TD if the line doesn't collapse like it did.
(09-16-2024, 02:34 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine you are Cam in the huddle when that play was called....
You crap your pants
ETN was open in the flat. But Trevor couldn't see it. Trevor stepped up to avoid Garrett, but he was trapped at that point. The other four each yielded too much space and trapped him, and they were blocking Trevor's view of ETN. From the snap, the only plausible winning moves were (1) Trevor runs right as soon as he has the ball, (2) Trevor runs forward (QB draw) as soon as he has the ball. Neither is great. (1) would require Cam to change his blocking angle and (2) would require center and guard to be aware so they could create a lane. And Trevor would have to know as well, of course.
It was the wrong play call, plain and simple. It was the wrong formation for the situation.
(09-16-2024, 01:37 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]I just saw what route we were trying to hit on that play which resulted in a safety. A double move out and Up. No chip on Myles Garrett. No tEs for assistance, 10 personnel 4 wide. Nothing but base pass pro here ya go cam Robinson.
That tells you everything you need to know about this clown show calling plays right now.
CRANK THE TANK