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(11-10-2024, 03:27 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:21 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Good lord is jones arm that weak?

Mac has always been destined to be a perennial backup player.

I just wish Trevor would play so damn good - and consistently - where there was ZERO doubt about his perceived talent.

Agreed he needs to polish consistency. 

But at least we attempt those 3rd and longs with him in there. 

But in the end winning this game is a terrible let outcome

(11-10-2024, 03:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Does Jones know who BTJ is?

It's clear the play calling is geared to ball control and short yardage, Jones doesn't have a starter's arm talent.

(11-10-2024, 03:28 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:24 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Where was this defense the last 9 weeks though? We’d be sitting at 6 or 7 wins if they were playing like they are today

It was ALWAYS there.

The putrid offense couldn't help them out with maintaining a sustained drive, let alone a first down until the 3rd quarter of most games.

There has been multiple games this season whwre we have lost in the dying seconds
defence usually melts then

What we see, once again, is that this line cannot run or pass block well enough to carry the offense where it needs to go. Long yardage, short yardage...immaterial, they simply cannot power their way to keep the chains moving.

(11-10-2024, 03:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:20 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]There's the coaching and ineptitude we're all used to

Lol, what tripe.

You know it's true.   I know it's true.  The entire jaguar nation knows it's true.

(11-10-2024, 03:28 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:24 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Where was this defense the last 9 weeks though? We’d be sitting at 6 or 7 wins if they were playing like they are today

It was ALWAYS there.

The putrid offense couldn't help them out with maintaining a sustained drive, let alone a first down until the 3rd quarter of most games.

I'm pretty sure other teams were maintaining time of possession in the 1st and 2nd quarters all season, which would mean the defense getting tired in the 2nd half doesn't hold up with your theory.

Even in this game, TOP for Vikings is 18 minutes. The Vikings just set a season-long possession in number of plays and TOP because they were able to convert 5/7 3rd downs. 

If not for a gift TO from the refs, it would be 7-6 Jags or 10-7 Vikings.

The o line is inconsistent. They have moments where they look ok. But then they have moments kill drives.

At least the coaching is consistent... you know what you're gonna get from them

(11-10-2024, 03:29 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Does Jones know who BTJ is?

It's clear the play calling is geared to ball control and short yardage, Jones doesn't have a starter's arm talent.

Mac doesn't have elite arm strength but it's good enough.

(11-10-2024, 03:34 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, what tripe.

You know it's true.   I know it's true.  The entire jaguar nation knows it's true.

Coaches don't block, you dip [BLEEP].

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(11-10-2024, 03:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:29 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's clear the play calling is geared to ball control and short yardage, Jones doesn't have a starter's arm talent.

Mac doesn't have elite arm strength but it's good enough.

I agree, he's definitely good enough to be a back up.

(11-10-2024, 03:27 PM)raptor6581 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Does Jones know who BTJ is?

More important question is can Mac Jones throw the ball far enough for BTJ?

He doesn't have to throw a 50 yard bomb.  Get him on a crosser, slant, anything just to get him going.

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Why is Darby out there?

(11-10-2024, 03:33 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What we see, once again, is that this line cannot run or pass block well enough to carry the offense where it needs to go. Long yardage, short yardage...immaterial, they simply cannot power their way to keep the chains moving.

(11-10-2024, 03:36 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]The o line is inconsistent.  They have moments where they look ok.  But then they have moments kill drives.

At least the coaching is consistent...  you know what you're gonna get from them

Perfectly fine play calls that the players [BLEEP] up?

Yep.

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(11-10-2024, 03:39 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:33 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What we see, once again, is that this line cannot run or pass block well enough to carry the offense where it needs to go. Long yardage, short yardage...immaterial, they simply cannot power their way to keep the chains moving.

My dude, this is perfection!

(11-10-2024, 03:34 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:28 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]It was ALWAYS there.

The putrid offense couldn't help them out with maintaining a sustained drive, let alone a first down until the 3rd quarter of most games.

I'm pretty sure other teams were maintaining time of possession in the 1st and 2nd quarters all season, which would mean the defense getting tired in the 2nd half doesn't hold up with your theory.

Even in this game, TOP for Vikings is 18 minutes. The Vikings just set a season-long possession in number of plays and TOP because they were able to convert 5/7 3rd downs. 

If not for a gift TO from the refs, it would be 7-6 Jags or 10-7 Vikings.

If the other team maintains time of possession over us - just following proper logic would lead us to conclude that our defense WOULD get tired later in the game.

But, I'm not going to harp on that point and remain there. 

The offense was ALWAYS the issue plain and simple. They couldn't score, maintain a sustained drive or even get a first down until we torched our first 5 offensive possessions.

(11-10-2024, 03:40 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:34 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty sure other teams were maintaining time of possession in the 1st and 2nd quarters all season, which would mean the defense getting tired in the 2nd half doesn't hold up with your theory.

Even in this game, TOP for Vikings is 18 minutes. The Vikings just set a season-long possession in number of plays and TOP because they were able to convert 5/7 3rd downs. 

If not for a gift TO from the refs, it would be 7-6 Jags or 10-7 Vikings.

If the other team maintains time of possession over us - just following proper logic would lead us to conclude that our defense WOULD get tired later in the game.

But, I'm not going to harp on that point and remain there. 

The offense was ALWAYS the issue plain and simple. They couldn't score, maintain a sustained drive or even get a first down until we torched our first 5 offensive possessions.

Knowing the defense would tire later on in the game would mean they should rotate, right? For some reason fans are arguing about why Nielsen rotates d-line.

I do notice that you dip [BLEEP] have dropped the "Pederson lost the locker room" stuff in light of another week of very strong effort.

(11-10-2024, 03:40 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:34 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty sure other teams were maintaining time of possession in the 1st and 2nd quarters all season, which would mean the defense getting tired in the 2nd half doesn't hold up with your theory.

Even in this game, TOP for Vikings is 18 minutes. The Vikings just set a season-long possession in number of plays and TOP because they were able to convert 5/7 3rd downs. 

If not for a gift TO from the refs, it would be 7-6 Jags or 10-7 Vikings.

If the other team maintains time of possession over us - just following proper logic would lead us to conclude that our defense WOULD get tired later in the game.

But, I'm not going to harp on that point and remain there. 

The offense was ALWAYS the issue plain and simple. They couldn't score, maintain a sustained drive or even get a first down until we torched our first 5 offensive possessions.

And my point is the defense was playing this poorly in prior 1st half and even has been poor in this 1st half.

Sure getting tired may have worsened their performance in the 2nd halfs, but it is not the whole story and doesn't explain poor 1st half performances.

It is only part of the puzzle. You're argument ignores that there are other issues with the defense.

(11-10-2024, 03:40 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:34 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty sure other teams were maintaining time of possession in the 1st and 2nd quarters all season, which would mean the defense getting tired in the 2nd half doesn't hold up with your theory.

Even in this game, TOP for Vikings is 18 minutes. The Vikings just set a season-long possession in number of plays and TOP because they were able to convert 5/7 3rd downs. 

If not for a gift TO from the refs, it would be 7-6 Jags or 10-7 Vikings.

If the other team maintains time of possession over us - just following proper logic would lead us to conclude that our defense WOULD get tired later in the game.

But, I'm not going to harp on that point and remain there. 

The offense was ALWAYS the issue plain and simple. They couldn't score, maintain a sustained drive or even get a first down until we torched our first 5 offensive possessions.

Yep, and a gassed D is going to lose this game for us.

PICKED OFF AGAIN!!!

(11-10-2024, 03:41 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2024, 03:40 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]If the other team maintains time of possession over us - just following proper logic would lead us to conclude that our defense WOULD get tired later in the game.

But, I'm not going to harp on that point and remain there. 

The offense was ALWAYS the issue plain and simple. They couldn't score, maintain a sustained drive or even get a first down until we torched our first 5 offensive possessions.

Knowing the defense would tire later on in the game would mean they should rotate, right? For some reason fans are arguing about why Nielsen rotates d-line.

Yes.

However, I will push back slightly and say that on "pressure" downs, like 3rd down, is where I'd like to see my "best" players on the field (even if they suck more than the opponents we are playing).

ANOTHER PICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!