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Quote:Because BLM and all of the rest of the male cow feces.

 

Yet you get offended when people call police officers pigs.

Quote:Yet you get offended when people call police officers pigs.

 

Police officers aren't going around burning and looting entire towns.

Quote:Police officers aren't going around burning and looting entire towns.

Just shooting first asking questions later.

Quote:Where do u live again?

 

Look around, it's been a disaster wherever D's are in charge.  They do the typical stuff.

 

Play Santa Claus for votes, bankrupt cities during the process, and let crime destroy their communities.

 

Detroit, Baltimore are the epitome of radical left "policies" at work.

 

Whether he realizes it or not, these are the results of radical left policy.

 

Govt intrusion killed healthcare because they had not expertise on the subject.  Just like every subject.

Quote:you're not getting it. i just got done telling you this has been an economic focused campaign for trump. "Americanism, not Globalism" has nothing to do with abortion or any other social issue... and Trump dominated the competition. what does that tell you?

I'm probably doing a bad job of making myself clear.


I'm in agreement with you and JW for the most part when it comes to this topic.


My only point is that trump hasn't been on his same economic message that resonated with primary voters since at least March.


His message has changed. When was the last time you heard trump bring up the fact that his wall street friends were not going to like him and how he was going to make sure the wealthy were paying in on taxes?


He's been corrupted by Paul Ryan and their faction of the GOP.


I think it is too late for trump. But there can be a new GOP candidate that can rise out of the ashes that focuses on true populist economic policies that do not have any bigotry and "sarcasm".


There are alot of policies Bernie and trump supporters have in common. But as a Bernie bro, I think I can speak for most of us that find trump unacceptable based on how he's run his campaign.

Quote:you're not getting it.  i just got done telling you this has been an economic focused campaign for trump.  "Americanism, not Globalism" has nothing to do with abortion or any other social issue... and Trump dominated the competition.  what does that tell you?

 

Tells me his head remains up his [BLEEP], while reality happens beyond his view.

Quote:I'm probably doing a bad job of making myself clear.


I'm in agreement with you and JW for the most part when it comes to this topic.


My only point is that trump hasn't been on his same economic message that resonated with primary voters since at least March.

His message has changed. When was the last time you heard trump bring up the fact that his wall street friends were not going to like him and how he was going to make sure the wealthy were paying in on taxes?


He's been corrupted by Paul Ryan and their faction of the GOP.


I think it is too late for trump. But there can be a new GOP candidate that can rise out of the ashes that focuses on true populist economic policies that do not have any bigotry and "sarcasm".


There are alot of policies Bernie and trump supporters have in common. But as a Bernie bro, I think I can speak for most of us that find trump unacceptable based on how he's run his campaign.

 

preventing illegal immigrants from coming here, leaching off the system and taking jobs is not "bigotry"

 

you are focusing on a few lines of one speech he gave like weeks ago and saying "THIS IS HIS WHOLE POLICY." Stop. He's clearly a nationalist based on the way he's talking and, yes, that includes his recent speeches and everything else. whether he backs up the talk remains to be seen.

 

if he was so much the Paul Ryan fanboy as you seem to think, there would have been no hesitation to endorse him.  he did it reluctantly.

 

too late for Trump?  haha, this thing is just getting started. Wikileaks is just getting started. Trump will rip Hillary to shreds in a debate... that is if Hillary even has the balls to face him, which I dont think she will.

Quote:preventing illegal immigrants from coming here, leaching off the system and taking jobs is not "bigotry"


you are focusing on a few lines of one speech he gave like weeks ago and saying "THIS IS HIS WHOLE POLICY." Stop. He's clearly a nationalist based on the way he's talking and, yes, that includes his recent speeches and everything else. whether he backs up the talk remains to be seen.


if he was so much the Paul Ryan fanboy as you seem to think, there would have been no hesitation to endorse him. he did it reluctantly.


too late for Trump? haha, this thing is just getting started. Wikileaks is just getting started. Trump will rip Hillary to shreds in a debate... that is if Hillary even has the balls to face him, which I dont think she will.

Fair enough. We'll just have to wait and see. The debates are going to be important.


But honest question - you do remember when trump was talking in his rallies about taking on wall street and making them pay more in taxes, right?


I mean, he was running on that I the fall and winter during the primaries...

Quote:Fair enough. We'll just have to wait and see. The debates are going to be important.


But honest question - you do remember when trump was talking in his rallies about taking on wall street and making them pay more in taxes, right?


I mean, he was running on that I the fall and winter during the primaries...

 

Honestly I do not see as much change in his message as you do.  No doubt there are some mixed signals. but they seem pretty subtle.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2...aters.html

Quote:Look around, it's been a disaster wherever D's are in charge.  They do the typical stuff.

 

Play Santa Claus for votes, bankrupt cities during the process, and let crime destroy their communities.

 

Detroit, Baltimore are the epitome of radical left "policies" at work.

 

Whether he realizes it or not, these are the results of radical left policy.

 

Govt intrusion killed healthcare because they had not expertise on the subject.  Just like every subject.

 

There is nothing stopping politicians getting advice from the private sector, or from other successful public health systems in the world. Hey, a fully public system works very well in the UK while spending way less money per capita on healthcare than the US.

 

The problem I see with your system is you have tried to enact universal healthcare whilst working in the constraints of the previous failed model.

 

A friend of mine works as a private consultant in healthcare here and knows different models of care in countries upside down. The US model is seen as one of the worst least efficient models of health in the developed world, whilst the fully public British model is seen as the system best to learn from.

you really shouldn't talk about our healthcare when you live on the other side of the planet

Quote:There is nothing stopping politicians getting advice from the private sector, or from other successful public health systems in the world. Hey, a fully public system works very well in the UK while spending way less money per capita on healthcare than the US.

 

The problem I see with your system is you have tried to enact universal healthcare whilst working in the constraints of the previous failed model.

 

A friend of mine works as a private consultant in healthcare here and knows different models of care in countries upside down. The US model is seen as one of the worst least efficient models of health in the developed world, whilst the fully public British model is seen as the system best to learn from.

  

Quote:you really shouldn't talk about our healthcare when you live on the other side of the planet

Yeah! No thoughts or opinions from gol durn forinners. You can't tell us or offer opinions or advice. We know zacktly what we are doing here. If we needed yer Aussie advice we can just go ask a waitress at Outback Steakhouse.

Our healthcare is perfect. Best in the world. Why? Cuz Stone Cold said so !

Quote:you really shouldn't talk about our healthcare when you live on the other side of the planet

 

Bit touchy on this subject obviously.

http://bluelivesmatter.blue/second-night...ukee-shot/

 

A black criminal pointed a stolen gun at black officer, got shot by that black officer, who was protecting a black neighborhood, and black residents responded by burning down their own neighborhood, because Black Lives Matter.

Quote:There is nothing stopping politicians getting advice from the private sector, or from other successful public health systems in the world. Hey, a fully public system works very well in the UK while spending way less money per capita on healthcare than the US.

 

The problem I see with your system is you have tried to enact universal healthcare whilst working in the constraints of the previous failed model.

 

A friend of mine works as a private consultant in healthcare here and knows different models of care in countries upside down. The US model is seen as one of the worst least efficient models of health in the developed world, whilst the fully public British model is seen as the system best to learn from.

 

How did this get in a Milwaukee race riot thread?


NHS has their own problems though.  Having financial difficulties.  Deny patients care.  Starting to suffer from even longer wait times.  etc...  there are pro's and con's with all systems.  Plus they arent great at a lot of specialties.  Their healthcare system is similar to our schooling model.  Everyone pays taxes but if your public school is lousy, you pay for private if you can afford it.  Which is what people in England do.  Something like 10-15% pay for private insurance because the NHS just doesnt pay for a number of specialties.  Not economically feasible.  And a great number of NHS specialists moonlight as private pay physicians in order to make enough money.  Without the private insurance, the NHS would have huge difficulties.  Or they'd just flat out deny a lot of specialty care.

 

There was a really good PBS episode on Frontline called "Sick around the World".  Basically some guy went to 5 or 6 countries around the world, looked at their healthcare system, and determined what we could learn here in America.  England, Germany, Switzerland, Japan.... Taiwain i believe...think he went to Canada.  Anyways I'm not sure anyone here is dorky enough to go, but the guy came to talk at UNF a few years ago at their "international public policy lecture" series thingy do.  Pretty interesting.  Lots of pro's and cons with every model.  Think that frontline episode can be found online still.

 

The one thing I feel like doesnt get enough press when we talk about healthcare is our unhealthy population.  Put our demographic in these other countries' healthcare systems and they'd absolutely collapse.  In Japan for example, it's part of their culture to just stop by their general practitioner for a quick check up on their way to work.  Or on the way to dinner.  Very health conscious.  Eat very healthy.  Very low healthcare costs.  Their model simply wouldnt work for us because we have a completely different patient population.  We could institute the most generous health insurance policies in the world but are JimBob and Ray Ray gonna all of a sudden stop off for their weekly blood pressure check before swinging by McDonalds for lunch?  Not a chance.  Huge difference between health care and health insurance.

Quote:There is nothing stopping politicians getting advice from the private sector, or from other successful public health systems in the world. Hey, a fully public system works very well in the UK while spending way less money per capita on healthcare than the US.

 

The problem I see with your system is you have tried to enact universal healthcare whilst working in the constraints of the previous failed model.

 

A friend of mine works as a private consultant in healthcare here and knows different models of care in countries upside down. The US model is seen as one of the worst least efficient models of health in the developed world, whilst the fully public British model is seen as the system best to learn from.

 

I just took a full semester course comparing various health care systems across the world and I can assure you that you're mistaken.

Quote:I just took a full semester course comparing various health care systems across the world and I can assure you that you're mistaken.

 

My friend with a masters in Health management and who works for a big consulting firm disagrees.

Quote:How did this get in a Milwaukee race riot thread?


NHS has their own problems though.  Having financial difficulties.  Deny patients care.  Starting to suffer from even longer wait times.  etc...  there are pro's and con's with all systems.  Plus they arent great at a lot of specialties.  Their healthcare system is similar to our schooling model.  Everyone pays taxes but if your public school is lousy, you pay for private if you can afford it.  Which is what people in England do.  Something like 10-15% pay for private insurance because the NHS just doesnt pay for a number of specialties.  Not economically feasible.  And a great number of NHS specialists moonlight as private pay physicians in order to make enough money.  Without the private insurance, the NHS would have huge difficulties.  Or they'd just flat out deny a lot of specialty care.

 

There was a really good PBS episode on Frontline called "Sick around the World".  Basically some guy went to 5 or 6 countries around the world, looked at their healthcare system, and determined what we could learn here in America.  England, Germany, Switzerland, Japan.... Taiwain i believe...think he went to Canada.  Anyways I'm not sure anyone here is dorky enough to go, but the guy came to talk at UNF a few years ago at their "international public policy lecture" series thingy do.  Pretty interesting.  Lots of pro's and cons with every model.  Think that frontline episode can be found online still.

 

The one thing I feel like doesnt get enough press when we talk about healthcare is our unhealthy population.  Put our demographic in these other countries' healthcare systems and they'd absolutely collapse.  In Japan for example, it's part of their culture to just stop by their general practitioner for a quick check up on their way to work.  Or on the way to dinner.  Very health conscious.  Eat very healthy.  Very low healthcare costs.  Their model simply wouldnt work for us because we have a completely different patient population.  We could institute the most generous health insurance policies in the world but are JimBob and Ray Ray gonna all of a sudden stop off for their weekly blood pressure check before swinging by McDonalds for lunch?  Not a chance.  Huge difference between health care and health insurance.

 

Exactly. Every system has it's fair share of cons and some systems are even more screwed going forward than the U.S. system is. Japan's aging population and how they pay for health care is grossly unsustainable.

Quote:My friend with a masters in Health management and who works for a big consulting firm disagrees.

 

Give him a pat on the back. I have my bachelor's in health care systems administration and can assure you that there are developed countries with shittier health care systems than we have here. I know that doesn't fit your agenda, but it's the truth.

Quote:How did this get in a Milwaukee race riot thread?


NHS has their own problems though.  Having financial difficulties.  Deny patients care.  Starting to suffer from even longer wait times.  etc...  there are pro's and con's with all systems.  Plus they arent great at a lot of specialties.  Their healthcare system is similar to our schooling model.  Everyone pays taxes but if your public school is lousy, you pay for private if you can afford it.  Which is what people in England do.  Something like 10-15% pay for private insurance because the NHS just doesnt pay for a number of specialties.  Not economically feasible.  And a great number of NHS specialists moonlight as private pay physicians in order to make enough money.  Without the private insurance, the NHS would have huge difficulties.  Or they'd just flat out deny a lot of specialty care.

 

There was a really good PBS episode on Frontline called "Sick around the World".  Basically some guy went to 5 or 6 countries around the world, looked at their healthcare system, and determined what we could learn here in America.  England, Germany, Switzerland, Japan.... Taiwain i believe...think he went to Canada.  Anyways I'm not sure anyone here is dorky enough to go, but the guy came to talk at UNF a few years ago at their "international public policy lecture" series thingy do.  Pretty interesting.  Lots of pro's and cons with every model.  Think that frontline episode can be found online still.

 

The one thing I feel like doesnt get enough press when we talk about healthcare is our unhealthy population.  Put our demographic in these other countries' healthcare systems and they'd absolutely collapse.  In Japan for example, it's part of their culture to just stop by their general practitioner for a quick check up on their way to work.  Or on the way to dinner.  Very health conscious.  Eat very healthy.  Very low healthcare costs.  Their model simply wouldnt work for us because we have a completely different patient population.  We could institute the most generous health insurance policies in the world but are JimBob and Ray Ray gonna all of a sudden stop off for their weekly blood pressure check before swinging by McDonalds for lunch?  Not a chance.  Huge difference between health care and health insurance.

I don't know anyone who pays for their own private insurance in the UK, usually it is a perk offered by companies. 

 

You make a good point on japanese diet and ability to go by the GP. I think it is proven that primary care is the most important and this is what holds back people in a private insurance system going to the doctor, They worry about the costs of going to the doctor and don't bother until symptoms get more severe.

 

Saying that Australia isn't too dissimilar to the US in terms of poor diet, however are some of the longest living in the world, so obviously doing something right with healthcare.

 

Don't get me wrong, if I had a bucket load of money i'd probably be very happy with the us model.