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Quote:My sheepskin is bigger than yours? That game doesn't impress me. Most clinicians are restricted to "best practice" treatments or they risk malpractice lawsuits. In most cases they are legally not allowed to provide the cheapest and best solutions, only the approved and profitable ones. It's not a good system for the patient.


So, what is your profession?
Better remove it It will garner a warning. I see your point.
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CNN is literally the propaganda department of the Democrat party and the Obama administration. They represent everything wrong with the press in America. They aren't the free press. They are the state press.
Quote:I guess surviving an infection should only be for elites, huh?


Surgery for injuries should only be if you can afford it.


You should lose your leg and vision to diabetes if you don't have a good enough job.


A child deserves to die if they weren't born into a family with healthcare.


Seems legit.
 

It's a right in the sense that no one should be turned away because of who they are.


As far as paying for it, if you believe those people have a right to someone else helping to pay for treatment, by all means reach into your pocket and pull out your wallet. But don't steal money from other people to pay for things you want.


Quote:It's a right in the sense that no one should be turned away because of who they are.


As far as paying for it, if you believe those people have a right to someone else helping to pay for treatment, by all means reach into your pocket and pull out your wallet. But don't steal money from other people to pay for things you want.


Well, at least you agree that it's a right. That no-one should be turned away from medical treatment.


That's a start.


I mean, what if we all pay into it. I get it, those that have more pay will be paying into it more than those with less.


But, what other solution is that if you concede that all of humanity deserves the right to medical treatment if they are ailing.


As for this stealing concept. I don't know, man. I feel that taxes are being taken from me for the use on funding things I don't agree with. But I don't look at taxes as theft. It's part of the social contract that is designed for the greater good.


Now, it can be argued that our current oligopoly is unjust and that wealth has been transferred to the top. But that's a problem that can be resolved democratically just as it was created democratically.


I don't think the constitution is broken, I think the politicians are.
Quote:So, what is your profession?
 

I correct doctors' mistakes.
Quote:Well, at least you agree that it's a right. That no-one should be turned away from medical treatment.


That's a start.


I mean, what if we all pay into it. I get it, those that have more pay will be paying into it more than those with less.


But, what other solution is that if you concede that all of humanity deserves the right to medical treatment if they are ailing.


As for this stealing concept. I don't know, man. I feel that taxes are being taken from me for the use on funding things I don't agree with. But I don't look at taxes as theft. It's part of the social contract that is designed for the greater good.


Now, it can be argued that our current oligopoly is unjust and that wealth has been transferred to the top. But that's a problem that can be resolved democratically just as it was created democratically.


I don't think the constitution is broken, I think the politicians are.
 

Taxation is money being taken by force. If you don't pay taxes, eventually someone with a gun will show up at your house. How is that not theft?


 

I already provided the "other solution." Those who believe everyone should have their healthcare payed for by others can pay for others healthcare. Have you ever personally (not through theft) paid for a needy person's healthcare (other than your immediate family)?


"Social contract"? I love the way the left invents terms to justify theft by the elites. If being threatened by others is part of a "social contract" then I'll pass.



 

The Constitution isn't broken. It's just been twisted by partisan justices. With Hillary's supreme it will proceed from twisted to totally ignored.

Quote:But I don't look at taxes as theft. It's part of the social contract that is designed for the greater good.


 
 

There is no such thing as a "social contract".  Contracts rely on specified terms agreed upon by both sides, with full disclosure and with remedies for non-performance.  You are duped if you think you have any recourse.
Whining over taxes as theft is either disingenuous or plain stupidity. Without taxes you don't get a military or police or border control or any of the other authorities which you all claim are so star-spangled awesome. It seems like the only time taxes are evil is when they go to the helping of people. Killing people fine, helping people evil. I think that says more about the people whining about taxes than it does about taxes themselves. 

Quote:I correct doctors' mistakes.


Go on....
Are you too ashamed to state your actual profession?
Quote:Whining over taxes as theft is either disingenuous or plain stupidity. Without taxes you don't get a military or police or border control or any of the other authorities which you all claim are so star-spangled awesome. It seems like the only time taxes are evil is when they go to the helping of people. Killing people fine, helping people evil. I think that says more about the people whining about taxes than it does about taxes themselves.


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Quote:Whining over taxes as theft is either disingenuous or plain stupidity. Without taxes you don't get a military or police or border control or any of the other authorities which you all claim are so star-spangled awesome. It seems like the only time taxes are evil is when they go to the helping of people. Killing people fine, helping people evil. I think that says more about the people whining about taxes than it does about taxes themselves.


Agreed.


The hypocrisy is real.
Quote:Whining over taxes as theft is either disingenuous or plain stupidity. Without taxes you don't get a military or police or border control or any of the other authorities which you all claim are so star-spangled awesome. It seems like the only time taxes are evil is when they go to the helping of people. Killing people fine, helping people evil. I think that says more about the people whining about taxes than it does about taxes themselves. 
 

Who claims "authorities" are awesome? Not me.


Police are local. The level of a police force is different in different locals, and one could just move to a place where the police were funded by private donations if he so chose. Many fire departments are funded by private donations.


The United States of America had a military long before it had an income tax. There are forms of taxation that are not theft, such as tariffs or a sales tax. Since the US is supplying a national defense for many other countries, we should make them pay for it, not take money by force from an honest person's hard work.


Quote:+1 to infinity
 

Then you are equally clueless.

Quote:Well, at least you agree that it's a right. That no-one should be turned away from medical treatment.


That's a start.


I mean, what if we all pay into it. I get it, those that have more pay will be paying into it more than those with less.


But, what other solution is that if you concede that all of humanity deserves the right to medical treatment if they are ailing.


As for this stealing concept. I don't know, man. I feel that taxes are being taken from me for the use on funding things I don't agree with. But I don't look at taxes as theft. It's part of the social contract that is designed for the greater good.


Now, it can be argued that our current oligopoly is unjust and that wealth has been transferred to the top. But that's a problem that can be resolved democratically just as it was created democratically.


I don't think the constitution is broken, I think the politicians are.
 

No, healthcare is not a right.  That no one should be turned away from receiving medical treatment is called humanity.

 

Among our certain inalienable rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

 

You are such a fan of a single payer system without actually stepping back and thinking about what that really means.  It means that we all would pay money into a big pool (of course run by GOVERNMENT) and the government in turn would pay a set price for health care.  Think about what that means, especially for doctors, nurses and other health care professionals.

 

Look at it this way.  You are an accountant.  You paid your way through school and work in your profession earning what your employer thinks your time and effort is worth.  What if the government suddenly said that you had to do my income tax return and the only compensation is what the government deems is "appropriate", no matter how much effort and time might be required.  Is that "fair"?
Quote:No, healthcare is not a right. That no one should be turned away from receiving medical treatment is called humanity.


Among our certain inalienable rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.


You are such a fan of a single payer system without actually stepping back and thinking about what that really means. It means that we all would pay money into a big pool (of course run by GOVERNMENT) and the government in turn would pay a set price for health care. Think about what that means, especially for doctors, nurses and other health care professionals.


Look at it this way. You are an accountant. You paid your way through school and work in your profession earning what your employer thinks your time and effort is worth. What if the government suddenly said that you had to do my income tax return and the only compensation is what the government deems is "appropriate", no matter how much effort and time might be required. Is that "fair"?


I think saying treating the sick and injured is not a right, but being humane is kinda playing with semantics.


I don't know if you read one of my other posts, but I mentioned that based on our modern advances and how our global society has evolved and progressed over the past couple centuries, health care support is part of our rights to life. You said it yourself. Our humanity to one another (based on our abilities and technologies now to do so) requires us to help those that need it. After all--- ALL of us are gonna need that support eventually in our lives!!! Age, illness, and disease catches up with us all.


Now, I've heard this argument before regarding single payer and even universal healthcare and doctors. However, this is an issue that needs resolution. And going back to pre Obama care isn't an option.


There are models in Canada and Europe that can be followed. But the solution is moving forward, but back.
Quote:CNN is literally the propaganda department of the Democrat party and the Obama administration. They represent everything wrong with the press in America. They aren't the free press. They are the state press.


Which is funny because the general consensus amongst outsiders is that CNN is reputable.


Surely not as bad the joke that is Fox though.
Quote:Which is funny because the general consensus amongst outsiders is that CNN is reputable.


Surely not as bad the joke that is Fox though.


They all have some issues, if you ask me.


Cnn, just like any corporate media is gonna try and tap down and social unrest.


I think that's what you have here, more than anything else...


I'm probably gonna get flamed for this take... But that's kinda how I saw it.
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