Quote:Thanks for showing how little knowledge you have about the gang infiltration in your own state. Clearly, you're neck deep in whatever sand pit or orifice you've got your head buried in.
Barrio Aztecas do indeed originate in Texas. However, the Mexican-American gang is pretty much funded by a Mexican drug cartel that they formed an alliance with several years back. They are a major player in the drug pipeline between MEXICO and the US.
MS-13 is allied with the Sinaloa Cartel out of Mexico. Again, this group is heavily into drug trafficking between Mexico and the US, AND they are also involved in human trafficking, bringing illegals across the border.
I know, facts suck when they don't prop up your nonsensical viewpoint on how "tough" your messiah is on immigration.
So the war on drugs is failing, and gangs are being funded by drug lords.
You think that's an immigration issue. I think it's a prohibition issue.
But whatever, I live in New Mexico, I'm not scared of illegal immigration. Drug cartels and gangs go away once we change our approach to drugs, not by a stupid wall.
But that's just my opinion, and most people that actually think through the problem instead of eating up the propaganda.
I just want to make clear that the lack of assimilation in France i am referring to, according to my family and their friends who live here, is very much a 2 sided affair. From one point of view, the foreign nationals (or new French citizens from foreign countries for that matter) don't assimilate, from the other point of view, the French (which is to say the Euro French) don't accept foreign nationals (or those who aread actually naturalized) as true French people. This is true of their territorial possessions as well. It isn't as though the French are opening their arms and being rejected. It's complicated and too hard to explain without the nuance of spoken wordo and since I am on vacation in don't want to type a novel.
Anyways, I've just been wasting time while waiting to head out to dinner near where the Bastille once stood. I'm going to finish my Pinot Noir and get the kiddos ready for a night out in Paris. Talk to everyone in a few weeks. Go Jags.
Quote:So the war on drugs is failing, and gangs are being funded by drug lords.
You think that's an immigration issue. I think it's a prohibition issue.
But whatever, I live in New Mexico, I'm not scared of illegal immigration. Drug cartels and gangs go away once we change our approach to drugs, not by a stupid wall.
But that's just my opinion, and most people that actually think through the problem instead of eating up the propaganda.
Yeah, because trafficking illegals across the border into your state isn't a concern.
Quote:I'll mail you some more tin foil...
Mail it to the victim's families.
It reflects your understanding of the situation perfectly.
Quote:Yeah, because trafficking illegals across the border into your state isn't a concern.
Omg, you're just flinging poo now to see what sticks...
Where did I say human trafficking is not a concern??
You're switching subjects.
In relation to illegal immigrant and trumps policies on border security as it relates to a wall, and our fears of terrorism, there is no connection to human trafficking and our failed war on drugs.
Those issues are important and I would love to discuss them with you, but they are not related to this thread.
This issue of terror is one of radicalization from crazy people that are already citizens.
The Boston bombers, the Orlando guy, the San Bernardino guy, the fort hood guy, etc. They were all citizens, or here legally. This French guy was a citizen, from the news I heard this morning, even the Paris bombers were eu citizens of Brussels, not Syrian or another middle eastern country immigrants...
The border doesn't stop this main issue. It's just doesn't...
Quote:Mail it to the victim's families.
It reflects your understanding of the situation perfectly.
That's quite a disgusting comment.
Quote:Omg, you're just flinging poo now to see what sticks...
Where did I say human trafficking is not a concern??
You're switching subjects.
In relation to illegal immigrant and trumps policies on border security as it relates to a wall, and our fears of terrorism, there is no connection to human trafficking and our failed war on drugs.
Those issues are important and I would love to discuss them with you, but they are not related to this thread.
This issue of terror is one of radicalization from crazy people that are already citizens.
The Boston bombers, the Orlando guy, the San Bernardino guy, the fort hood guy, etc. They were all citizens, or here legally. This French guy was a citizen, from the news I heard this morning, even the Paris bombers were eu citizens of Brussels, not Syrian or another middle eastern country immigrants...
The border doesn't stop this main issue. It's just doesn't...
One of the gangs mentioned in that article I referenced earlier that's involved in human trafficking has also been under investigation for potentially helping al Qaeda operatives enter the United States through the southern border. I'm not throwing anything at the wall hoping something sticks. I'm not trying to connect drug trafficking to human trafficking in any essence other than the gangs you're laughing off are involved in both.
The brothers who executed the Boston Marathon bombing were Muslims born in Chechnya.
In 2012, the older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev who was relatively westernized at the time, traveled to Russia and spent 6 months closely associated with a cousin who was a leader of a radical Muslim group called The Union of the Just, which advocates Sharia law and a global caliphate. This is where he was radicalized. While in Russia, he was associated with more than one radical Muslim group. The guy was investigated by both US and Russian intelligence because of who he was associating with while in country.
When he was forced by his father to return to the US to complete his citizenship processing, he came back a radicalized Muslim. It is believed that he subsequently recruited his brother to his cause, and the rest is history.
The attack in Paris last year included at least one Syrian refugee.
The Ft. Hood shooter was actually inspired to Jihad by Anwar al-Awlaki, an American born imam who might have been one of your neighbors since he was born in New Mexico. Nevertheless, al-Awlaki was the imam at a mosque Nidal Hasan attended, and he was the one who radicalized the shooter. Yes, Hasan was born in the US. So, like the shooter in Orlando, he wasn't a creation of immigration issues. As I said earlier in this discussion, there is more than one problem to deal with when it comes to the radicalization of Muslim men. You want to fixate on those who did so domestically, as if we don't have a problem introducing more radicals to the US homeland via immigration, whether legal or not, and that's a complete load of crap. The US needs to defend against BOTH types of radicals because they DO exist whether you want to hide in your little fantasy land believing otherwise.
Feel free to keep lobbing up more examples. It makes no difference. I can show you where immigration problems absolutely cost the lives of thousands of Americans ON US soil. All you need to do is look at 9/11 and the lax immigration policies that allowed 19 terrorists to enter this country and remain here illegally on expired visas. We can go back and forth all day long about this, but at the end of the day, the fact remains. Weak immigration policies and border control lead to what happened in France yesterday, and will very likely happen here in the United States again in the future whether you want to believe it or not.
Quote:That's quite a disgusting comment.
So is your unwillingness to accept reality.
Quote:So is your unwillingness to accept reality.
Completely out of touch with reality.
But then, such is the requirement when selling one's soul to the political religion of the far left.
Quote:There were US citizens among the dead including a 51 year old father and his 11 year old son who were on their dream vacation when they were run down by this terrorist right in front of the rest of the family.
It's a sad thing. One minute you're enjoying a holiday- or anything really- and the next you're dead. It can happen to anyone but when it happens like this it's just so much worse.
Quote:It's a sad thing. One minute you're enjoying a holiday- or anything really- and the next you're dead. It can happen to anyone but when it happens like this it's just so much worse.
IMO, the death of US citizens in an attack like this gives us skin in the game. At some point, the US is going to have to decide the current approach is no longer working, and we need to work with our allies to eradicate this cancer.
Quote:@ fbt-- I personally don't believe this is an immigration issue.
I have lived in New Mexico most my life. The immigration problem has not gotten any worse than it ever was.
So excuse me when I don't by into the fear mongering...
I was born and raised in New Mexico and still have family there. Trust me, the problem is much worse. I would bet that you don't venture down to the south valley very often.
Quote:One of the gangs mentioned in that article I referenced earlier that's involved in human trafficking has also been under investigation for potentially helping al Qaeda operatives enter the United States through the southern border. I'm not throwing anything at the wall hoping something sticks. I'm not trying to connect drug trafficking to human trafficking in any essence other than the gangs you're laughing off are involved in both.
The brothers who executed the Boston Marathon bombing were Muslims born in Chechnya.
In 2012, the older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev who was relatively westernized at the time, traveled to Russia and spent 6 months closely associated with a cousin who was a leader of a radical Muslim group called The Union of the Just, which advocates Sharia law and a global caliphate. This is where he was radicalized. While in Russia, he was associated with more than one radical Muslim group. The guy was investigated by both US and Russian intelligence because of who he was associating with while in country.
When he was forced by his father to return to the US to complete his citizenship processing, he came back a radicalized Muslim. It is believed that he subsequently recruited his brother to his cause, and the rest is history.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/'>The attack in Paris last year included at least one Syrian refugee. </a>
The Ft. Hood shooter was actually inspired to Jihad by Anwar al-Awlaki, an American born imam who might have been one of your neighbors since he was born in New Mexico. Nevertheless, al-Awlaki was the imam at a mosque Nidal Hasan attended, and he was the one who radicalized the shooter. Yes, Hasan was born in the US. So, like the shooter in Orlando, he wasn't a creation of immigration issues. As I said earlier in this discussion, there is more than one problem to deal with when it comes to the radicalization of Muslim men. You want to fixate on those who did so domestically, as if we don't have a problem introducing more radicals to the US homeland via immigration, whether legal or not, and that's a complete load of crap. The US needs to defend against BOTH types of radicals because they DO exist whether you want to hide in your little fantasy land believing otherwise.
Feel free to keep lobbing up more examples. It makes no difference. I can show you where immigration problems absolutely cost the lives of thousands of Americans ON US soil. All you need to do is look at 9/11 and the lax immigration policies that allowed 19 terrorists to enter this country and remain here illegally on expired visas. We can go back and forth all day long about this, but at the end of the day, the fact remains. Weak immigration policies and border control lead to what happened in France yesterday, and will very likely happen here in the United States again in the future whether you want to believe it or not.
All the examples I lobbed up were here legally, that is why I mentioned them.
So as I tried to ask badger, what changes to immigration do you think would change that? Not let citizens and legal residents travel to ant country that may have terrorists? Ignore the refugee crises we created and turn back all immigrants from "rogue" nations?
These aren't solutions, in my opinion. These are knee jerk reactions that only exacerbate the situation.
What specifically do you think would begin to solve the crises? And again, I'd like to point out that these terrorists in the us were living in the country for a very long time before they ran off the rails...
This was a horrible terrorist act. I'm actually at a loss for words... What has this world come to?
Quote:I just want to make clear that the lack of assimilation in France i am referring to, according to my family and their friends who live here, is very much a 2 sided affair. From one point of view, the foreign nationals (or new French citizens from foreign countries for that matter) don't assimilate, from the other point of view, the French (which is to say the Euro French) don't accept foreign nationals (or those who aread actually naturalized) as true French people. This is true of their territorial possessions as well. It isn't as though the French are opening their arms and being rejected. It's complicated and too hard to explain without the nuance of spoken wordo and since I am on vacation in don't want to type a novel.
Anyways, I've just been wasting time while waiting to head out to dinner near where the Bastille once stood. I'm going to finish my Pinot Noir and get the kiddos ready for a night out in Paris. Talk to everyone in a few weeks. Go Jags.
Vicbow, you're one of my favorite posters because you are very much level-headed. Stay safe and saying a prayer that you and your family get home safely.
Naw man, O had the opportunity to nip this problem in the bud, show the world that US won't tolerate these acts and be the leader, but all he did is just talk about it without doing anything, and then fill out his NCAA bracket
Quote:This was a horrible terrorist act. I'm actually at a loss for words... What has this world come to?
I think it is one of the worst terrorist attacks ever because it was a truck that was used.I mean forget bombs and guns , a truck is such a common thing to see and it was used to such a deadly effect.
Quote:The administration is making exceptions when it comes to Muslim immigrants coming from Syria.
Did not know that. They're all Muslims that are fleeing Syria?
Of the Syrian immigrants with a religious affiliation that the administration has admitted, less than 3% are non Muslim. The overwhelming majority of the immigrants are Muslim.
If you're a Christian in Syria, the Obama administration has made it next to impossible to immigrate to the US. They talk about profiling being bad.