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Quote:But if he's setting the lineups with bad options all around then...nevermind.

I never said the players were great im saying Gus knew what he was getting before hand and the players who played were players he wanted to play..

Quote:I never said the players were great im saying Gus knew what he was getting before hand and the players who played were players he wanted to play..

You should really stop arguing. You're not very good at it.

Quote:Good God, you make no sense whatsoever.

If you knew how football operated, then you would understand... Ill break it down for you Rico.. Lineup is the players you are gonna play in a particular game... The person ultimately responsible for setting the lineup is Gus, with the help from his offense and defense coordinators and other assistant coaches..


Does it make sense now?

Quote:But if he's setting the lineups with bad options all around then...nevermind.

I can see your point, but every player wasnt bad... And we lost 6 games by 7 or less so they were good enough... Anyway by this logic blame gets pointed at Caldwell as well if hes picking the players...

Quote:I never said the players were great im saying Gus knew what he was getting before hand and the players who played were players he wanted to play..

Like I said, this whole thing is going to play out in a couple months, and last season feels like a long time ago that some of my memory is fuzzy...


With that said, as a critic of Gus, I agree with you and think your position has support.


While the talent was not ideal, Gus did make some head scratching decisions that cannot be excused by the lack of talent.


Specifically--- the benching of house for bubble gum gratz after the Houston loss.


House was being praised on the telecast for his coverage on that wr whose name now escapes me... anyway, house had one blown coverage for that wr's first td, and then was left out to dry by Evans who blew his safety assignment over the top-- not to mention that the wr should have been called for offensive pass interference on his second td.


House made one mental mistake, but otherwise played very well-- and Gus benched him for our worst corner. You don't throw your best cb under the bus. Especially after a game where he had one mistake, but otherwise played well. I thought that was Bush league by Bradley, and is part of the reason I reserve my doubts about his ability as the head coach.

Quote:Specifically--- the benching of house for bubble gum gratz after the Houston loss.

 

Umm...

 

That coaching move turned around House's season for the better.  AND we won the game.

 

You can't spin it otherwise.

 

That was clearly a coaching decision that worked.  If you can't give him that one, it's only proof your bias has blinded you.

Quote:If you knew how football operated, then you would understand... Ill break it down for you Rico.. Lineup is the players you are gonna play in a particular game... The person ultimately responsible for setting the lineup is Gus, with the help from his offense and defense coordinators and other assistant coaches..


Does it make sense now?

For your sake, I hope this is an act.

Quote:I think a better defensive minded coach with a scheme that creates more turnovers and sacks could have at least got us 8-8..


The Jags lost 6 games by only a Td! They only scored 6 in the final game against the Texans ... I firmly believe a offensive minded coach could have gotten us to at least 9 wins...

 

Our 4 best pass rushers (or at least top sackers) were our 'Big' end, a cornerback, our nose tackle and Andre Branch.  What scheme, using the greatness of those pass rushers, could have been expected to create more turnovers and sacks?

Quote:So do you think if we only win somewhere between 5-7 wins will be sufficient retain Bradley?

Cuz, to me, we've suffered long enough means Khan is looking for a winning season, meaning 9 wins minimum.

I think his quote that, "we're not looking at the standings" is implying that he's not thinking playoffs or bust.

But suffering means a losing season, and, "we've suffered long enough"...

Khan seems like the type of man that would make this kind of implied ultimatum.

8-8 puts Gus on the bubble

7 or less and Gus is gone

9 or more gives Gus another year

I'll agree. I'm not a Gus hater. I still support him. It's been tough when you gut a team and start from scratch. But fans get restless. He has the tools now, imo. Losing season and he'll be hearing the Paul Simon tune.

Quote:Umm...


That coaching move turned around House's season for the better. AND we won the game.


You can't spin it otherwise.


That was clearly a coaching decision that worked. If you can't give him that one, it's only proof your bias has blinded you.

Wow, I'm not sure how you extrapolate his benching with him "turning his season around". House was already having a fine season, is not a darn good season.


And statistically, his Houston game was his best of the season.


With all due respect, pirk, I think you are mis-remembering.


Also if you remember, house wasn't in the field when bubble gum gave up the go ahead td in London. If not for bb5 and that great catch by hurns, that stupid decision would have cost us another loss.


It was a dumb benching. Like I said. You don't bench your best cb that just had a very good game against the tin horns for your worst cb. That's bad coaching. And everyone was scratching their heads when it happened.

Quote:But if he's setting the lineups with bad options all around then...nevermind.

 

He  ... chose  ...  Gratz  ...  over  ...  McCray.


 

He chose to rush only four on 3rd and long time after time. Didn't the tinhorns coach state that that was a sure thing?


 

Sure, having better players gives better results. But there were a lot of teams that had poor talent on defense. Only one finished worse than the Jags. None of those teams faced the weak array of QB's the Jags faced.

Quote:I'll agree. I'm not a Gus hater. I still support him. It's been tough when you gut a team and start from scratch. But fans get restless. He has the tools now, imo. Losing season and he'll be hearing the Paul Simon tune.

Diamonds on the soles of his shoes?


Or get on the bus, Gus? Lol.


I hope we go 10-6


Heck I'll take 9-7 and possibly 8-8 and will give him credit.


I just want to see more consistency. And I wouldn't mind a fast start to the season as well. 3-1 or 2-2 in September would be a welcomed change.


I'm gonna try and reserve judgement on Gus until October, but he really needs a winning season to keep this gig.

Quote:Tom Coughlin used to regularly go for 2 in the first half.  I thought that was pretty stupid. 

 

I'm not recalling this at all. Does anyone else remember TC going for two in the first half?


 

 

Quote:Ok QB ✔ LT drafted one hasnt panned out. DE jury still out. WR ✔ When it comes to selecting players i still put some responsibility on Gus... That plays a role in being a head coach..


So if you select the wrong players at a given position and start them and they suck that still falls back on the head coach..


You cant use these players as a scapegoat..

 

 

Close. but CB is tougher to find than WR. So you have...


 

1. QB - Bortles drafted


2. LT - Tried, but so far failed


3. RDE - Fowler and Yannick drafted; we'll have to wait and see here


4. CB - Jalen drafted; we'll have to wait and see, but signs are very promising

Quote:Umm...

 

That coaching move turned around House's season for the better.  AND we won the game.

 

You can't spin it otherwise.

 

That was clearly a coaching decision that worked.  If you can't give him that one, it's only proof your bias has blinded you.

 

Talk about pure spin.


 

House was as good before the benching as he was after. He season wasn't "turned around."


 

And the defense with Gratz starting gave up 24 points to Bills backup (and bust) E.J. Manuel.

Quote:As I've said many, many, times...all you have to do is look at the draft and FA this year to see what they thought of the defensive personnel.

 

And all you have to do is look at what happened to the defensive coordinator to see what they thought of the defensive coaching.


 

Unfortunately, it was too late. We'll see if Todd Wash makes a difference.

Quote:Talk about pure spin.


 

House was as good before the benching as he was after. He season wasn't "turned around."


 

And the defense with Gratz starting gave up 24 points to Bills backup (and bust) E.J. Manuel.

 

Oh...

 

http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/...-they-head

 

/roasted

 

Two fools in agreement don't make falsehoods into truth.

 

Perhaps in your "minds"... but certainly not in reality.

Quote:So do you think if we only win somewhere between 5-7 wins will be sufficient retain Bradley?


Cuz, to me, we've suffered long enough means Khan is looking for a winning season, meaning 9 wins minimum.


I think his quote that, "we're not looking at the standings" is implying that he's not thinking playoffs or bust.



But suffering means a losing season, and, "we've suffered long enough"...


Khan seems like the type of man that would make this kind of implied ultimatum.


8-8 puts Gus on the bubble

7 or less and Gus is gone

9 or more gives Gus another year

 

 

I see it more like...


 

6 or less - Gus is gone


7 to 9 wins - Gus is on the bubble next year


10 or more - Gus gets new multi-year extension


 

 

BTW, here's the botched snap theory #5...


 

Caldwell eventually realizes the Jaguars post season hopes are over and seeks to lose games without suggesting as much to the coaches or team. So he pulls Wiz aside and turn him into a mole knowing that C can effect everything. The bad snaps were merely part of his plan to tank games.

Quote:Oh...

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2015-12-11/story/cornerback-davon-house-turning-corner-jaguars-they-head'>http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2015-12-11/story/cornerback-davon-house-turning-corner-jaguars-they-head</a>


/roasted


Two fools in agreement don't make falsehoods into truth.


Perhaps in your "minds"... but certainly not in reality.

Fools, huh? You're quite the respectable debater, Pirk. I'm sorry, but some article that starts out by saying that House had a bad game against the tin horns is not worthy of you thinking that you won the arguement. Statistically, it was one of his best games, and like I said, he made 1 mistake, but other than that, he played a very good game.


I ran the numbers... Prior to benching House averaged 1.66 Passes Defended per game. After benching, 1.33. Prior to benching he averaged 3 tackles per game. After the benching he averaged 4.44 tackels per game. So yeah, that "light a fire" theory resulting in less passes defended and a slight uptick in tackles. Statistically, it doesn't look to have helped. So get out of here with that garbage.


Also, here's an article that looks at the benching from another point of view. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.examiner.com/article/davon-house-benched-by-jaguars'>http://www.examiner.com/article/davon-house-benched-by-jaguars</a>


Chances are, this move was made to try to motivate House, but that doesn’t mean it will. There are other players, especially on defense, that deserve to be benched before House. Hopefully, the move is not being made to make House the scapegoat. Yes, he gave up two scores, but he was not the only problem the Jaguars had on Sunday. The offense didn’t show well either, making a lot of mistakes including interceptions by Blake Bortles and dropped passes by the receiving core. Whatever the reason is, it should be a short-term experiment, because House deserves to start. He is making $24.5 million over the next four years, he needs to be out there earning that money.


And again, you ignore the fact that the stupid benching almost actually cost us the Buffalo game because he benched House for a god aweful CB. A benching that as I have shown via the stats did very little to improve his game play, because HE WAS ALREADY PLAYING AT A HIGH LEVEL!!!


LOL, nice try though, my good sir. Also, notice how one can disagree with a fellow poster and not come off like a total donkey? You may want to look into that. :-)

Tap, dance, spin...

 

That was a lot of words used to say "I'm sore that I look like a complete fool for losing that one."

 

Just... wow...

Quote:And all you have to do is look at what happened to the defensive coordinator to see what they thought of the defensive coaching.


Unfortunately, it was too late. We'll see if Todd Wash makes a difference.

You're absolutely right. They drafted and signed overwhelimngly on the defensive side of the ball, but it was the coach. Man, I gotta get better at these subtle nuances.