Quote:What caused him to be a closer match? Let's ask the officer:
Now I too have met many many people of different races with different size noses, but let's not pretend the term " wide set nose" isn't implying race. That term goes back a long and hateful way when describing black people and you know it.
I'm not the one missing the bigger picture. The fact that Mr. Officer used this one particular characteristic to describe a robbery suspect and not other commonly used descriptions such as: height, weight, hair color, facial hair, tattoos, scars, clothing etc speaks volumes on exactly where Mr. Officer's head was at. He gave one extremely broad description that could describe literally millions of people.
The thing is, do all black males have a "wide set nose"? The answer is no. If you think that the term implies blacks then let me ask you this. Do some Asians have a wide nose? Do some Hispanics have a wide nose?
Now if the description was put out that a black man with a "wide set nose" was put out as the suspect of an armed robbery, that doesn't "automatically" put all black males on the list.
Let's be frank and let's be honest here. Do all black males fit the description of a "black male with a wide set nose"? Me personally, I don't think so.
Quote:The thing is, do all black males have a "wide set nose"? The answer is no. If you think that the term implies blacks then let me ask you this. Do some Asians have a wide nose? Do some Hispanics have a wide nose?
Now if the description was put out that a black man with a "wide set nose" was put out as the suspect of an armed robbery, that doesn't "automatically" put all black males on the list.
Let's be frank and let's be honest here. Do all black males fit the description of a "black male with a wide set nose"? Me personally, I don't think so.
So what exactly is he describing? If that particular term fits many different people of different walks of life what was so special about Mr. Castile's nose? What gave him probable cause to pull him over in the first place?
Quote:First part in bold, has that been established yet, or do we just simply go by what the girlfriend said?
Second part in bold, where is the evidence of that?
It was presented earlier in this thread that person(s) matching the description of the occupants of the car had committed an armed robbery. Someone that fits the description is pulled over, tells the officer that he has a gun, then reaches for said gun despite the officer telling him not to and he gets shot.
I know that the story doesn't fit your anti-cop narrative, but it is a possibility based on what we know. You (as well as many others) are so quick to pass judgement against the law enforcement officer before the actual facts of the matter come out. It's just "police brutality" or "racial profiling" or as some politicians say and the media runs with "a racial hate crime by police".
For someone as little as you, the police are bad... until you need them.
1. It's been widely reported that he owned a gun and held a concealed carry permit.
2. Mr. Castile was very much alive coming into the encounter. That provides pretty strong evidence that his owning and carrying hadn't given any of the 31 previous cops reason to kill him.
3. "Black man with a big nose" is all that was given. That's it. No description of clothes, no description of a car. Show me evidence that he reached for a weapon instead of reaching for his wallet
as he had been instructed to do.
Again, and I know this is hard for you to wrap your head around, but
I never said it was racial. It clearly wasn't. It was a gross abuse of power and second degree murder, but at no point have I said that it was racially motivated, because it
wasn't. Not every white cop on black male incident is about the skin color of those involved. In this case, it is about a pig who had no business carrying a gun murdering someone over what couldn't even have been described as "mistaken identity" at that point.
The police are bad. I'm actually headed out to buy myself a gun first thing in the morning. After a safety course, of course. The murders of two men followed by the murders of five officers have convinced me that it's time to be able to protect my family and myself from anyone who enters this house intending us harm.
At least one positive thing has come out of this. The truly racist cops are coming out and showing their faces.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html'>http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html</a>
If you listen to some posters on this board though racist cops don't exist and are just a figment of the imagination.
To protect and serve right?
Quote:1. It's been widely reported that he owned a gun and held a concealed carry permit.
2. Mr. Castile was very much alive coming into the encounter. That provides pretty strong evidence that his owning and carrying hadn't given any of the 31 previous cops reason to kill him.
3. "Black man with a big nose" is all that was given. That's it. No description of clothes, no description of a car. Show me evidence that he reached for a weapon instead of reaching for his wallet as he had been instructed to do.
Again, and I know this is hard for you to wrap your head around, but I never said it was racial. It clearly wasn't. It was a gross abuse of power and second degree murder, but at no point have I said that it was racially
motivated, because it wasn't. Not every white cop on black male incident is about the skin color of those involved. In this case, it is about a pig who had no business carrying a gun murdering someone over what couldn't even have been described as "mistaken identity" at that point.
The police are bad. I'm actually headed out to buy myself a gun first thing in the morning. After a safety course, of course. The murders of two men followed by the murders of five officers have convinced me that it's time to be able to protect my family and myself from anyone who enters this house intending us harm.
Wanted to point out a couple things that we know:
1. Cop instructed Mr. Castile to keep hands up
2. Cop asked for license and registration
3. Mr. Castille states he has a weapon
4. Mr. Castile Reached for wallet
5. Cop freaked out and shot Mr. Castile.
The problems: We do not know in what order the first three things occurred. Girlfriend said it was hands up and then the cop asked for license and registration, and Mr. Castille reached for wallet. The problem is, we don't know A. When Mr. Castille told the officer he had the gun, or B. Whether the officer told him to keep hands up after hearing about the gun or prior, and C. Where the gun was at.
We can agree that the use of force was probably not warranted in this scenario. The problem is that common sense tells you that the officer would have told him to keep his hands up after hearing about the gun. But it also tells you that Mr. Castille had been pulled over a bunch of times and should/probably did know what to do. Until we know the order of the situation you can't really say second degree murder vs. manslaughter etc. We need more facts to come out cause it makes a big difference.
Quote:At least one positive thing has come out of this. The truly racist cops are coming out and showing their faces.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html'>http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html</a>
If you listen to some posters on this board though racist cops don't exist and are just a figment of the imagination.
To protect and serve right?
That was a poor decision on that officers part. I feel bad for him probably losing his job, but it was not the right reaction. He gave into the bait, and you can't do that.
Quote:At least one positive thing has come out of this. The truly racist cops are coming out and showing their faces.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html'>http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html</a>
If you listen to some posters on this board though racist cops don't exist and are just a figment of the imagination.
To protect and serve right?
One fewer pig on the street.
And yes, that one's a pig.
Quote:First part in bold, has that been established yet, or do we just simply go by what the girlfriend said?
Second part in bold, where is the evidence of that?
It was presented earlier in this thread that person(s) matching the description of the occupants of the car had committed an armed robbery. Someone that fits the description is pulled over, tells the officer that he has a gun, then reaches for said gun despite the officer telling him not to and he gets shot.
I know that the story doesn't fit your anti-cop narrative, but it is a possibility based on what we know. You (as well as many others) are so quick to pass judgement against the law enforcement officer before the actual facts of the matter come out. It's just "police brutality" or "racial profiling" or as some politicians say and the media runs with "a racial hate crime by police".
For someone as little as you, the police are bad... until you need them.
Obviously if it hasnt been discredited then its factual... Stop trying to reach for a defense.. Think about if this was your brother or uncle or father, would you be soo quick to question your own family if they had a permit and conclude that if they didnt then that justify the cops action?
His family was in the car! Think about it ! Would you pull a gun on a cop with your son or daughter in the car? Its really just common sense ! And his girlfriend have no reason to lie.. Lets not forget he had no major arrest... He was just a cafeteria supervisor...
Quote:At least one positive thing has come out of this. The truly racist cops are coming out and showing their faces.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html'>http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html</a>
If you listen to some posters on this board though racist cops don't exist and are just a figment of the imagination.
To protect and serve right?
Quote:At least one positive thing has come out of this. The truly racist cops are coming out and showing their faces.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html'>http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article88396827.html</a>
If you listen to some posters on this board though racist cops don't exist and are just a figment of the imagination.
To protect and serve right?
He's a cretin, but it's not proven in that instance his motivation was racist.
I just found out about the armed robbery. That explains why cop would feel more threatened. People need to consider possibility that Castile is the robbery suspect
is there a full breakdown of what led to the aftermath yet? I'm struggling to find it online.
Quote:I just found out about the armed robbery. That explains why cop would feel more threatened. People need to consider possibility that Castile is the robbery suspect
I did. But considering the only thing linking Castile as a possible suspect to the robbery in question is his nose, (according to the officer) that theory is highly questionable. Take that info in front of a judge and jury and they'll laugh you out of the courtroom.
Quote:I did. But considering the only thing linking Castile as a possible suspect to the robbery in question is his nose that theory is highly questionable. Take that info in front of a judge and jury and they'll laugh you out of the courtroom.
Ok, but that explains the officer's mind set when you consider that the police pulled him over due to him matching description of the armed robbery suspect. It wasn't just "broken tail light" stop gone wrong. That's the narrative that was being pushed from the beginning.
Quote:Ok, but that explains the officer's mind set when you consider that the police pulled him over due to him matching description of the armed robbery suspect. It wasn't just "broken tail light" stop gone wrong. That's the narrative that was being pushed from the beginning.
You're right. It wasn't just a broken taillight. It's looking more like racial profiling gone wrong.
Quote:1. It's been widely reported that he owned a gun and held a concealed carry permit.
2. Mr. Castile was very much alive coming into the encounter. That provides pretty strong evidence that his owning and carrying hadn't given any of the 31 previous cops reason to kill him.
3. "Black man with a big nose" is all that was given. That's it. No description of clothes, no description of a car. Show me evidence that he reached for a weapon instead of reaching for his wallet as he had been instructed to do.
Again, and I know this is hard for you to wrap your head around, but I never said it was racial. It clearly wasn't. It was a gross abuse of power and second degree murder, but at no point have I said that it was racially motivated, because it wasn't. Not every white cop on black male incident is about the skin color of those involved. In this case, it is about a pig who had no business carrying a gun murdering someone over what couldn't even have been described as "mistaken identity" at that point.
The police are bad. I'm actually headed out to buy myself a gun first thing in the morning. After a safety course, of course. The murders of two men followed by the murders of five officers have convinced me that it's time to be able to protect my family and myself from anyone who enters this house intending us harm.
Make sure that it's a Smith & Wesson. I own the stock and it's been on fire lately.
Just as we shouldn't judge all by the actions of a minority, why is it ok to call cops " pigs" " kill all pigs". That piss is piss up.
Anyone thinking all cops are racist and all blacks are thugs or lawbreakers needs a lobotomy.
Perhaps we can create a state where all those who look to blame all cops on their problems , can have their own space, with no police.
Any thoughts how that'd turn out?
This piss clown who shot up Dallas really closed the divide that's widening the gap in this country.
Wonder if the families of the slain cops will riot, protest and do any other stupid things like burning, looting and blaming all black, ex military guys. Sounds ridiculous right? Sadly, it's the new America.
Quote:One fewer pig on the street.
And yes, that one's a pig.
Same term used by the Manson murderers. You've obviously been affected by swine flu at an early age.
There is a report that the police will be able to tie Castile to the scene of the armed robbery. That turns this whole thing on its head. It makes the girlfriend a liar and it makes Castile confirmed dangerous. imo also gives Castile motive he would have pulled a gun knowing he was guilty of armed robbery.
This report could be false, but what if its true? You got a bunch of people getting really upset and rioting about a robber who was about to kill a cop. I think people are being deceived and its not right.
Quote:There is a report that the police will be able to tie Castile to the scene of the armed robbery. That turns this whole thing on its head. It makes the girlfriend a liar and it makes Castile confirmed dangerous. imo also gives Castile motive he would have pulled a gun knowing he was guilty of armed robbery.
This report could be false, but what if its true? You got a bunch of people getting really upset and rioting about a robber who was about to kill a cop. I think people are being deceived and its not right.
Do u have a link ? This accusation is absurd! The man has no criminal record and his family was in the car.. Besides that still doesnt justify being shot to death.. Oh lets not forget he had a license to carry a firearm...
Quote:Do u have a link ? This accusation is absurd! The man has no criminal record and his family was in the car.. Besides that still doesnt justify being shot to death.. Oh lets not forget he had a license to carry a firearm...
http://gotnews.com/breaking-mn-cops-newp...shootings/
The author of the article presents other circumstantial evidence I dont find convincing. However, my point is, what if it's true that police will be able to tie him to the robbery? That changes things.
You don't think that provides a motive for Castile to draw his weapon? The license is irrelevant if the guy committed armed robbery.